Turkologist: On threshold of Armenian Genocide's centennial, Turkey...

Nov 22, 2012 Full story: ARMINFO news agency 171

Turkologist: On threshold of Armenian Genocide's centennial, Turkey may resort to any tricks, even to creation of fictional government of Western Armenia in exile On the threshold of the Armenian Genocide's centennial, Turkey may resort to any tricks to prevent a new wave of international recognition of Armenian Genocide.

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Mary Joe

Beirut, Lebanon

#143 Dec 13, 2012
Let's come back to the main, the threshold of Armenian genocide...
Let me make something more clear,,,, because there are people who still insist the opposite....
Ottomans were growing and growing,and growing,....starvation began , as your Ottoman government was used to collect taxes and taxes and taxes....
Turkish People were already spread in Europe& Mediterranean countries, nothing there to do in this f$$$ ing empire just to collect money.
People started complaining, those f$$ ing Turks were living after the money collected from all the nations living under the rule of the Ottoman empire.
Europeans, Arabs mediterrenean countries wanted freedom, from this bloody OCTOPUS and the Armenians Tooooo. Many deseases started to catch all around the empire.
So dear non believers.... the WW1 started.
every countryApproximately got it's freedom.
But because the Armenian lands were so close to Constantinople and Ankara , we Armenians were the most affected one from the loss of of those battles
So those soldiers stucked to the unarmed people .... Which were the Armenians..
The Empire-said bye bye....
May be this way you understand better...
Dander

Sydney, Australia

#144 Dec 13, 2012
Mary
they are not stupid, only denialist IT remnants.
zeus

Sydney, Australia

#145 Dec 13, 2012
ottoman empire wasnt growing growing and growing actually it was collapsing collapsing and collapsing. who wanted a war with armenians not ottomans but you got an army right and it was just the right time and you guys were ready to fight but who are you gonna fight with you should take some attention heyy!? ok lets see the other people living there they were farmers and they were poorer than you guys ( dont forget that the wealthiest people of ottoman empire were armenians and jewish) and the males of this people mostly were in the war in different regions. did your ancestors talk about how they behave and what they really did to take this attention. I think you should first make a search about it. the other thing is the other people living there mostly were kurdish people and you gained the hatred of them by workin really hard they didnt hate you you really gained and achieved this to start a war so dream might come true. suc a chaotic situation created there I can understand yourdream but the truth is the land was belong to ottoman empire and even say that we were defending our homeland shows kind of motive so you decided to defend your homeland after 800 hundreds year why? because you know that ottoman empire wasnt so strong that prevent you having this land back with such a confidence you started a national movement it wasnt so naive that a bunch of people try to get some rights if you really look into history you can see thatyou really flared the people up there personally i dont want to pronounce this brutality but encourage you search and listen to the story from the other side and make a search about the populations conditions during ww1 how many people died because of ilness and starvation other than armenians and how many people died because of armenian brutality ?
Mary Joe

Beirut, Lebanon

#146 Dec 13, 2012
Which land was your's.
Minor asia ???? No never,,,, You came to minor Asia..
OTtoman empire was enlarged through all mediterrenean, the european countries & the north African countries up to jibraltar and the Arabic countries.
All of us fought against this bloody Octopus.
The Arabs fought...
The Europeans fought...
And the Armenians from inside fought.
it has to be collapsed... when the hungry Octopus enlarges and the crisis is at the door,,,what would happen????
War...
Now every nation can take good care of it's people.
I wish they live happily ever after...
zeus

Sydney, Australia

#147 Dec 13, 2012
ok altogether lets go back to caves in africa!? letme say something that s why the historians call empire as an empire and ottoman empire wasnt only empire during history. i have nothing to do with ottoman empire like the others but as you can accept the way of thinking is so different today and we never think that we gonna take these land back it would be kind of ill mentallity even 800 years later i am pretty sure that we are not gonna have this kind of feeling. we are human and accept it or not we are going through evolution at least in the way of thinking thats why every country had wars during history but the concept is quite diffeent today but theere is still war and let me clarify something that i dont even like the psychology of war for both sides.
Dander

Sydney, Australia

#148 Dec 13, 2012
Zeass
What the IT turk regime did to Armenian Assyrrian and Pontian civilians is called Genocide.
The rest is history.
Behave at least like a good Australian and face the music, if it is difficult to do as a denialist turk.
TRUTHlover

Satu Mare, Romania

#149 Dec 14, 2012
Dander wrote:
<quoted text>Turdlover,
Give your proof to Oya Baydar, Hasan Cemal, Berlin District Court, Kemal Tahir....
So that they all stop lying about coward ITs.
the subject was you ..... and your crazy conclusions .....
cheers,
TRUTHlover

Satu Mare, Romania

#150 Dec 14, 2012
Dander wrote:
Zeass
What the IT turk regime did to Armenian Assyrrian and Pontian civilians is called Genocide.
The rest is history.
Behave at least like a good Australian and face the music, if it is difficult to do as a denialist turk.
And what is it called what the Armenians (and their allies) did to the Muslim Ottoman population?

Cheers,
TRUTHlover

Satu Mare, Romania

#151 Dec 14, 2012
Mary Joe wrote:
Which land was your's.
Minor asia ???? No never,,,, You came to minor Asia..
OTtoman empire was enlarged through all mediterrenean, the european countries & the north African countries up to jibraltar and the Arabic countries.
All of us fought against this bloody Octopus.
The Arabs fought...
The Europeans fought...
And the Armenians from inside fought.
it has to be collapsed... when the hungry Octopus enlarges and the crisis is at the door,,,what would happen????
War...
Now every nation can take good care of it's people.
I wish they live happily ever after...
Yes, of course the Turks came approx 1000 years ago to Asia Minor!

Btw. your ancestors, your collapsing kingdoms invited Turkic tribes to come, because the Armenians were no more capable of defending themselves from the advancing Muslim Arabs ....
Which they did quite successfully and many of these Turks became even Christians (and after approx 35 generations certainly believe they are Armenians)!

After 1000 years you can't talk anymore about invaders or immigrants! Your people did not starve under the Ottomans, they blossomed.

Are you aware that there were NO Armenians in Constantinople until the Turks conquered it????
Sultan Mehment II invited you to settle in Constantinople/Istanbul, he donated to your community land and buildings, the Byzantine Patriarch was replaced by an Armenian Patriarch and.....and....and....

The Armenians occupied in large numbers government positions up to very high (up to Grand Wezir/Prime Minister), very important local and national government positions..... even until the end of the WWI!
Even during the time frame when the Armenians collaborated with the state enemies and started large numbers of uprisings where they killed innocent Muslim populations etc.....

After the Ottoman Empire collapsed and the new Republic was declared there were still large numbers of Armenian-Turks employed in government institutions or state companies.

Now can you describe me what was the original land of the Armenians?

Just be cautious, because there will immediately pop up some Georgians, Assyrians, Greeks, Persians or simply Kurds which will declare..... no .... no ..... my friend that is originally our homeland!

Anatolia was for thousands of years (even before you called yourself Armenian) a migration route for people from the South to the North (Africa to Asia), the East to the West (Asia to Europe), and some times from the West to the East (different empires to the riches of the East) and so on.....

It was long time before your Armenian kingdoms existed and during Armenian rule, how it was the same during Turkish rule, a melting pot for many different people, cultures and religions!

Who can anymore claim that this or that land is the land of this or that ethnical group???

Quote: " No Never ...."

Are you aware how absurd this sounds ..... after more than a millennium to deny the Turks it is not their land?????

I see you live in Beirut/Lebanon ….. may I ask whose land is Lebanon???? Arab? Assyrian? Turkmen? Iraqi? Syrian? Armenian? Catholic Christians? Orthodox Christians? Muslims-Shia? Muslim-Sunni? Druze?

What do you do, if tomorrow somebody of these people knocks on your door and says, 1000 years ago it was ours??????

Cheers,
Dander

Sydney, Australia

#152 Dec 14, 2012
TRUTHlover wrote:
<quoted text>
the subject was you ..... and your crazy conclusions .....
cheers,
Turdlover
could you bring yourself around reading Hasan Cemal's "1915 Ermeni SOYKIRIMI" book yet?
This IS THE subject.
Dander

Sydney, Australia

#154 Dec 14, 2012
TRUTHlover wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, of course the Turks came approx 1000 years ago to Asia Minor!
Btw. your ancestors, your collapsing kingdoms invited Turkic tribes to come, because the Armenians were no more capable of defending themselves from the advancing Muslim Arabs ....
Which they did quite successfully and many of these Turks became even Christians (and after approx 35 generations certainly believe they are Armenians)!
After 1000 years you can't talk anymore about invaders or immigrants! Your people did not starve under the Ottomans, they blossomed.
Are you aware that there were NO Armenians in Constantinople until the Turks conquered it????
Sultan Mehment II invited you to settle in Constantinople/Istanbul, he donated to your community land and buildings, the Byzantine Patriarch was replaced by an Armenian Patriarch and.....and....and....
The Armenians occupied in large numbers government positions up to very high (up to Grand Wezir/Prime Minister), very important local and national government positions..... even until the end of the WWI!
Even during the time frame when the Armenians collaborated with the state enemies and started large numbers of uprisings where they killed innocent Muslim populations etc.....
After the Ottoman Empire collapsed and the new Republic was declared there were still large numbers of Armenian-Turks employed in government institutions or state companies.
Now can you describe me what was the original land of the Armenians?
Just be cautious, because there will immediately pop up some Georgians, Assyrians, Greeks, Persians or simply Kurds which will declare..... no .... no ..... my friend that is originally our homeland!
Anatolia was for thousands of years (even before you called yourself Armenian) a migration route for people from the South to the North (Africa to Asia), the East to the West (Asia to Europe), and some times from the West to the East (different empires to the riches of the East) and so on.....
It was long time before your Armenian kingdoms existed and during Armenian rule, how it was the same during Turkish rule, a melting pot for many different people, cultures and religions!
Who can anymore claim that this or that land is the land of this or that ethnical group???
Quote: " No Never ...."
Are you aware how absurd this sounds ..... after more than a millennium to deny the Turks it is not their land?????
I see you live in Beirut/Lebanon ….. may I ask whose land is Lebanon???? Arab? Assyrian? Turkmen? Iraqi? Syrian? Armenian? Catholic Christians? Orthodox Christians? Muslims-Shia? Muslim-Sunni? Druze?
What do you do, if tomorrow somebody of these people knocks on your door and says, 1000 years ago it was ours??????
Cheers,
After all that bullsht you forgot the IT turks getting involved in a war of aggression as one of the aggressors and comitting a Genocide using JIHAD as the tool to carry out this shameful act against Ottoman Christians of Anatolia.
zeus

Sydney, Australia

#155 Dec 14, 2012
jihad!???? nobody believes this story in turkey you could just have sympathy of christian world . you should try harder my friend.
Mary Joe

Beirut, Lebanon

#156 Dec 14, 2012
Let me tell you why that Sultan Mehmet the || donated those lands to Armenians,,do you think he loved us that much?
DID the sultan Mehmet Ask the Greek Patriache, may I, after your permission give those lands to the Armenians.???? Do you-think he asked???NO.....l
Because he new those lands were obviously 100% Greek lands, he wanted to see political disagreements between the Greeks and the Armenians. Do you think Armenians are dummy, till this day in Lebanon they say those are the Greek lands, greek culture.
We finished with the Turkified now Arabised.
You will see in Lebanon the Arabised community. People talking Arabic but they are NOT ARABS funny isn't it.
Dander

Sydney, Australia

#157 Dec 14, 2012
zeus wrote:
jihad!???? nobody believes this story in turkey you could just have sympathy of christian world . you should try harder my friend.
Zeass the coward IT remnant
You may be a stupid turk in denial but historical records contain a JIHAD FATWA dated 12 Nov. 1914.
Try digesting it.
Jay

Satellite Beach, FL

#159 Dec 29, 2012
In general Turks like this DipSHITE CanNOballs have large mouth , but nothing behind it. Just hot air. The DipSHITE makes racist remarks as if his race is superior of others, he calls the Armenians 'apelanders', Greeks 'gReeks' French 'Frogs" and so on. Yet,this DipSHITE has no idea what the Royal Navy Admiral,Horatio Lord Nelson, said about the Turks-PERFECTLY USELESS. It is so great that DipSHITE CanNOballs 'knows' so much about world politics, but too bad he's friggin busy driving a cab. To get involved with him in a civilized discussion would be-PERFECTLY USELESS.
House Holder

Istanbul, Turkey

#162 Dec 31, 2012
Jay wrote:
In general Turks like this DipSHITE CanNOballs have large mouth , but nothing behind it. Just hot air. The DipSHITE makes racist remarks as if his race is superior of others, he calls the Armenians 'apelanders', Greeks 'gReeks' French 'Frogs" and so on. Yet,this DipSHITE has no idea what the Royal Navy Admiral,Horatio Lord Nelson, said about the Turks-PERFECTLY USELESS. It is so great that DipSHITE CanNOballs 'knows' so much about world politics, but too bad he's friggin busy driving a cab. To get involved with him in a civilized discussion would be-PERFECTLY USELESS.
Mr GAY from Florida who knows all,

''Being perfectly useless'' does not easily explain Turkish rule of all balkans and middle east for centuries.

Your omitting to write down first parts of Nelson's words which were 'They are good people but ..' and forget to add that these statements were pointing Turkish military assistance during Battle of Nile , either confirms your ignorance or your hypocrisy.

Since: Sep 09

ISTANBUL

#163 Dec 31, 2012
Last book about the """"Liar-m enian lies """fcukked all the lies.""read it pls.

http://armenians-1915.blogspot.com/2008/04/24...
Jay

Satellite Beach, FL

#164 Dec 31, 2012
House Holder wrote:
<quoted text>
Mr GAY from Florida who knows all,
''Being perfectly useless'' does not easily explain Turkish rule of all balkans and middle east for centuries.
Your omitting to write down first parts of Nelson's words which were 'They are good people but ..' and forget to add that these statements were pointing Turkish military assistance during Battle of Nile , either confirms your ignorance or your hypocrisy.
When Horatio Lord Nelson, aka commander-in-chief of the Mediterannean, made that comment he was refering to the French Navy's defeat in the Battle of Nile in late 1700, in which the Turks sided with the French hoping they would regain control of Egypt. Horatio Nelson was asked about the Turks fighting alongside France, Nelson replied," Turks...Perfectly useless." Yes,Perfectly useless then and perfectly useless now. You bark at Israel and Syria but no bites, then you beg NATO to install patriot missiles for protection. Some powerful army you've got.
Gift

Istanbul, Turkey

#166 Dec 31, 2012
Jay wrote:
<quoted text>
When Horatio Lord Nelson, aka commander-in-chief of the Mediterannean, made that comment he was refering to the French Navy's defeat in the Battle of Nile in late 1700, in which the Turks sided with the French hoping they would regain control of Egypt. Horatio Nelson was asked about the Turks fighting alongside France, Nelson replied," Turks...Perfectly useless." Yes,Perfectly useless then and perfectly useless now. You bark at Israel and Syria but no bites, then you beg NATO to install patriot missiles for protection. Some powerful army you've got.
BS. Turks did not side with French as you claimed , but they sided with Brits in Battle of Nile. And this quote is taken from a letter written by Nelson to Commodore Troubridge in 7 September 1799. He wrote this letter to flatter himself. You are illiterate.

We can not not risk our economy and send our young working force to war while we are about to finish Assad politically , there is no need. We will request patriots, because we can not risk our cities to be attacked by scuds carrying chemical warheads just to prove how mucho we are. If our soldiers died in Korea to protect the interest of NATO , then you newly immigrated piglets will pay for protecting our cities with your taxes.

So Gay , you dont know history , you fail to understand how states behave and dont have a clue about international politics at all. What you are good for ??



Gay , you dont know history , you dont understand from politics, you simply fa&#351;l to understand that states are

Since: Sep 09

ISTANBUL

#167 Jan 2, 2013
Hey LIAR-menians
1)Why was every single Ottoman official, incarcerated for war crimes during the nearly two-and-a-half years of the Malta Tribunals, finally acquitted?

THIS IS THE QUESTION THAT WOULD PUT AN END TO THE “ARMENIAN GENOCIDE” MATTER, TO ANY LOGICAL MIND. I HAVE NOT SEEN THE MALTA TRIBUNALS REFERRED TO IN ANY OF THE ARMENIAN WEB SITES.

2) The “Sick Man of Europe” was on her knees, financially broke and depleted of manpower (thanks to German-directed military mobilization) and needed resources. Why would the empire choose this most inopportune time to target the Armenians, who made the financial wheels turn and were clearly a vital resource to the country?

3) The “Sick Man of Europe” was on her knees, financially broke. Why would she spend a fortune on resettling the Armenians?

If the idea was to wipe them out, why didn’t they massacre them on the spot, as the Armenians did with the Turks?

4) Could the Ottoman Turks have the TECHNOLOGICAL capacity to carry out a government-sponsored genocide on such a grand scale?

5) If the idea of the resettlement program was to subject the Armenians to a slow, genocidal death, why did so many Armenians survive?

If there was a true government sponsored policy of extermination, why leave the barely-living starved alive? In short, it all boils down to: how could the great majority...one million out of less than one and a half million... have survived?

6) Why then, would the Turks fool around by going through the musical chairs of separating the men (remember, the Armenians claim the men were largely unarmed)?

Also, why were there supposedly so many orphans?

If a government has in mind to wipe out a race, why leave so many children alive?

The Armenians didn’t intend to leave the Turkish children alive.

7) Hitler began by targeting the Jews in Berlin. Why were the Armenians in Istanbul and other cities of the West such as Izmir, left alone for the most part?

The Armenians say this was because these cities were under too much foreign observation. However, the Ottomans were aware, after generations of being subjected to capitulations, that foreign posts were set up even in the distant corners of the empire... as readily under foreign observation.(American consuls of these out-of-the-way distant provinces, such as Leslie Davis [the genocide-proving “big gun” highlighted in the PBS pro-Armenian programs covered at this site], were among them. In addition, the missionaries were everywhere.)

8) As a related point, "Talat Pasa allowed the American missionaries to do relief work among the Armenians, in spite of the fact that Turkey and the United States were on the opposing camps during the war.

How many examples are there in history of a combatant country permitting the citizens of another country fighting in the other camp to stay, feed, cloth and educate the people it is accused of exterminating?

9) The Armenian perspective never fails to offer the convictions Turkish courts laid out to their own officials immediately after the war, and the Sevres Treaty, which partly proclaimed a large chunk of Eastern Turkey to be part of Armenia.

For a better proof of judging whether a genocide occurred, one must look at the Treaty of Leninakan (Gümrü) signed (December 3, 1920) by the Armenians and Turks, which closed the book on past ills, foregoing the issue of reparations.

If the Armenians were truly outraged over the Turks’ Nazi-like evil campaign to exterminate them, how could they have agreed to such terms?

"If the Ottoman Empire really did commit the crime of genocide from 1915-1919, as Armenians allege, then why would the newly established Armenia turn to the Ottoman Empire for help in 1918, 1919, or 1920?

10) As yet another follow-up, why didn't Armenian delegate to the Paris Peace Conference, Boghos Nubar Pasha, mention the "genocide" in his January 30, 1919 letter to The Times of London?

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