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equote

Llano, TX

#1 Jan 13, 2013
From the article:
"...debt crisis, the president would have to decide what laws he wants to break. Does he breach the borrowing limit without a congressional OK? Does he ignore spending commitments required by law?"

From the Constitution Article I Section 8
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;

Everyone expects Congress to shirk its Constitutional power and force the president to decide which bills not to pay. The purpose is to blame the President. Will Congress continue it disfunctional path, relinquish it's power to the president (as has been done in the declaration of war).

remember: No government is any better than the people you elect to run it.(I.H. Kempner)

We, the people, have failed this country.

the real guest

United States

#2 Jan 13, 2013
The Constitution does not require Congress to borrow more money.

It's time we stopped the runaway government spending. House Republicans have passed bill after bill after bill to address the problem, but Harry Reid refuses to bring them up in the Senate.

It's time to play hard ball.
DENG

Nanjing, China

#3 Jan 13, 2013
THE PATRIOT ACT REPLACED THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION.
the real guest wrote:
The Constitution does not require Congress to borrow more money.
It's time we stopped the runaway government spending. House Republicans have passed bill after bill after bill to address the problem, but Harry Reid refuses to bring them up in the Senate.
It's time to play hard ball.
equote

Llano, TX

#4 Jan 13, 2013
the real guest wrote:
The Constitution does not require Congress to borrow more money.
It's time we stopped the runaway government spending. House Republicans have passed bill after bill after bill to address the problem, but Harry Reid refuses to bring them up in the Senate.
It's time to play hard ball.
Obviously you beleve what Fox, CNN, MSNBC etc. etc. say about government operations. They don't seem to understand. As an insider I can tell you government doesn't work the way the public believe it does.
The House and Senate passed a continueing resolution, as has been the practice when there has been a budget deadlock at least since the 1970s. In effect that says spend at last year's levels. In effect the Congress authorizes the spending and debt to prevent a government shutdown.
Do tyou think the Republicans should block future continueing resolutions and shut down the government?

Since: Dec 12

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#5 Jan 14, 2013
we got nobel laureates. we got the largest software companies and we in deep.
the real guest

United States

#6 Jan 14, 2013
DENG wrote:
THE PATRIOT ACT REPLACED THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION.
Uh no, an Act of Congress is inferior law. It cannot repeal or replace the U.S. Constitution.
the real guest

United States

#7 Jan 14, 2013
equote wrote:
Obviously you beleve what Fox, CNN, MSNBC etc. etc. say about government operations.
No, I'm a constitutional scholar who has studied it for over 3 decades. Besides, there is very little that Fox, CNN and MSNBC agree upon, and that does not include anything about government operations.
In effect the Congress authorizes the spending and debt to prevent a government shutdown.
Appropriating federal spending and borrowing against the credit of the U.S. are two very different things.

It's not all that different than what you do in your own home. You receive your paycheck and allocate that money to pay for things like clothing, food and shelter. If you decide you want to buy a new car and take out a loan, that's a different matter altogether.

Same thing with government. They receive revenue every single day. Out of that revenue, Congress appropriates that money to pay for things like national defense, OSHA, and FDA. If Congress decides to borrow more money to pay for new programs, like Obamacare, that's a different matter altogether.
Do tyou think the Republicans should block future continueing resolutions and shut down the government?
Absolutely. It's a violation of law for the Senate to refuse to even bring up budget bills for discussion and a vote. The House has done its job, passing budget bills every single year they have been in control of the House.

Republicans need to grow some balls and call Harry Reid's bluff. They should pass a budget bill this year, and refuse to pass any continuing resolutions until that bill is brought up for discussion and a vote in the Senate.

If the Senate makes alterations, then those differences would be resolved by a joint committee and a reconcilliation bill would be passed by both houses of Congress. Then we'd finally get a budget and slow down the runaway government spending that is bankrupting our nation and posing a very serious national security threat.

“Science not Conservatism”

Since: Jan 12

Progress, not Denial

#8 Jan 14, 2013
DENG wrote:
THE PATRIOT ACT REPLACED THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION.
<quoted text>
Neither you nor 'the real guest' have a clue as to what's going on, do you, Dung?:)

“Science not Conservatism”

Since: Jan 12

Progress, not Denial

#9 Jan 14, 2013
the real guest wrote:
<quoted text>
No, I'm a constitutional scholar who has studied it for over 3 decades...EDITED....
LOL....of COURSE you are.
Papillon

Sacramento, CA

#11 Jan 14, 2013
Barrack Husssein Obama....

Someone please tell the AMERICAN public what the HELL's wrong with YOU?

What is happening with these groups in the United States:
Seniors,
Veterans,
Orphans,
Homeless,
Etc.,????????

Since you’ve been in the White House, YOU diverted our hard earned taxes to your muslim homeboys in:

Hamas -$351 MILLION
Libya $1.45 BILLION
Egypt -$397 MILLION
Mexico -$622 MILLION
Russia -$380 MILLION
Haiti -$1.4 BILLION
Jordan -$463 MILLION
Kenya -$450 BILLION ($50 BILLION each YEAR to your home turf !!!)
Sudan -$870 MILLION
Nigeria -$456 MILLION
Somalia -$800 BILLION
Uganda -$451 MILLION
Congo -$359 MILLION
Ethiopia -$981 MILLION
Pakistan -$2 BILLION
S. Africa -$566 MILLION
Senegal -$698 MILLION
Mozambique -$404 MILLION
Zambia -$331 MILLION
Kazakhstan -$304 MILLION
Iraq -$1.08 BILLION
Tanzania -$554 MILLION
EVEN the TALIBAN receives $3 BILLION EACH YEAR !!!!!!
Your repugnant wife takes 15 vacations every year, costing tax payers 5 million dollars for each one.

Is it a coincidence that these countries have the most muslim terrorists than ANYWHERE else on the planet?
The answer is NO !!!
It is by design !!!

With literally TENS OF BILLIONS of Dollars, YOU and other democRATS still hate us for not volunteering to give you our last cent!

Our retired seniors
Living on a 'fixed income'
Receive no aid
Nor do they get any breaks while our government
And religious organizations pour
Hundreds of Billions
Of $$$$$$'s and Tons of Food
To Foreign Countries!

We have :
Hundreds of adoptable
Children who are shoved aside
To make room for
The adoption of
Foreign orphans.

.
HAPPY NEW YEAR
poopyon

United States

#12 Jan 14, 2013
This post is all B.S. there is no way these numbers add up. And the condescending insulting tone is sophmoric and juvenile if not completely moronic
Papillon wrote:
Barrack Husssein Obama....
Someone please tell the AMERICAN public what the HELL's wrong with YOU?
What is happening with these groups in the United States:
Seniors,
Veterans,
Orphans,
Homeless,
Etc.,????????
Since you’ve been in the White House, YOU diverted our hard earned taxes to your muslim homeboys in:
Hamas -$351 MILLION
Libya $1.45 BILLION
Egypt -$397 MILLION
Mexico -$622 MILLION
Russia -$380 MILLION
Haiti -$1.4 BILLION
Jordan -$463 MILLION
Kenya -$450 BILLION ($50 BILLION each YEAR to your home turf !!!)
Sudan -$870 MILLION
Nigeria -$456 MILLION
Somalia -$800 BILLION
Uganda -$451 MILLION
Congo -$359 MILLION
Ethiopia -$981 MILLION
Pakistan -$2 BILLION
S. Africa -$566 MILLION
Senegal -$698 MILLION
Mozambique -$404 MILLION
Zambia -$331 MILLION
Kazakhstan -$304 MILLION
Iraq -$1.08 BILLION
Tanzania -$554 MILLION
EVEN the TALIBAN receives $3 BILLION EACH YEAR !!!!!!
Your repugnant wife takes 15 vacations every year, costing tax payers 5 million dollars for each one.
Is it a coincidence that these countries have the most muslim terrorists than ANYWHERE else on the planet?
The answer is NO !!!
It is by design !!!
With literally TENS OF BILLIONS of Dollars, YOU and other democRATS still hate us for not volunteering to give you our last cent!
Our retired seniors
Living on a 'fixed income'
Receive no aid
Nor do they get any breaks while our government
And religious organizations pour
Hundreds of Billions
Of $$$$$$'s and Tons of Food
To Foreign Countries!
We have :
Hundreds of adoptable
Children who are shoved aside
To make room for
The adoption of
Foreign orphans.
.
HAPPY NEW YEAR
DENG

Nanjing, China

#13 Jan 15, 2013
DENG wrote:

THE PATRIOT ACT REPLACED THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION.

WELL, IT LOOKS LIKE ISRAEL IS GOING TO BE DOWNSIZED IN THE FUTURE BY THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT.
tha Professor wrote:
<quoted text>
Neither you nor 'the real guest' have a clue as to what's going on, do you, Dung?:)

“Science not Conservatism”

Since: Jan 12

Progress, not Denial

#14 Jan 15, 2013
DENG wrote:
DENG wrote:
THE PATRIOT ACT REPLACED THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION.
WELL, IT LOOKS LIKE ISRAEL IS GOING TO BE DOWNSIZED IN THE FUTURE BY THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT.
<quoted text>
Hitting the rice wine a little hard there, Dung old fella?

LOL
equote

Llano, TX

#15 Jan 15, 2013
the real guest wrote:
<quoted text>
No, I'm a constitutional scholar who has studied it for over 3 decades. Besides, there is very little that Fox, CNN and MSNBC agree upon, and that does not include anything about government operations.
<quoted text>
Appropriating federal spending and borrowing against the credit of the U.S. are two very different things.
It's not all that different than what you do in your own home. You receive your paycheck and allocate that money to pay for things like clothing, food and shelter. If you decide you want to buy a new car and take out a loan, that's a different matter altogether.
Same thing with government. They receive revenue every single day. Out of that revenue, Congress appropriates that money to pay for things like national defense, OSHA, and FDA. If Congress decides to borrow more money to pay for new programs, like Obamacare, that's a different matter altogether.
<quoted text>
Absolutely. It's a violation of law for the Senate to refuse to even bring up budget bills for discussion and a vote. The House has done its job, passing budget bills every single year they have been in control of the House.
Republicans need to grow some balls and call Harry Reid's bluff. They should pass a budget bill this year, and refuse to pass any continuing resolutions until that bill is brought up for discussion and a vote in the Senate.
If the Senate makes alterations, then those differences would be resolved by a joint committee and a reconcilliation bill would be passed by both houses of Congress. Then we'd finally get a budget and slow down the runaway government spending that is bankrupting our nation and posing a very serious national security threat.
Sit down! I actually agree with except for one thing. I was a legislative analyst and did cost estimates for 10 years. Congress, legislatures do not always reach a resolution on issues. Republicans and/or Democrats having balls can and sometimes does end in a deadlock. They don't seem to agree on appropriations so punt via a CR. It has been going own long enough to be a tradition, wheather constitutional or not. In the real world Law and policy depends on who enforces it.
the real guest

United States

#16 Jan 15, 2013
equote wrote:
They don't seem to agree on appropriations so punt via a CR.
Yeah, to buy a short amount of time, like a couple months. We've been in CR mode for YEARS because the Senate Democrats refuse to come up with a budget of their own, and they refuse to bring House passed budgets to the floor for discussion, possible modification, and a vote.

Harry Reid has single handedly stifled the entire legislative branch of government. He should be impeached!
equote

Llano, TX

#17 Jan 16, 2013
the real guest wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah, to buy a short amount of time, like a couple months. We've been in CR mode for YEARS because the Senate Democrats refuse to come up with a budget of their own, and they refuse to bring House passed budgets to the floor for discussion, possible modification, and a vote.
Harry Reid has single handedly stifled the entire legislative branch of government. He should be impeached!
Welcome to the world of legislative power, both sides mean to win no matter what it does to the country ... it is the American Way. Maybe somebody will blink, maybe not.

"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." (Vince Lombardi)
the real guest

United States

#18 Jan 16, 2013
Agreed to a point. However, I don't recall conservatives to ever willingly cause so much damage to the economy as have the Democrats since regaining control of Congress after the 2006 elections.

Hell, they doubled the debt, increased spending astronomically, blocked a balanced budget amendment to be proposed to the states, blocked every spending cut (really not a cut, just a reduction in the rate of planned spending increases), blocked a number of House passed budget bills while failing to even introduce any budget bills of their own in the Senate, save for the two jokes offered up by Obama that couldn't even muster a single favorable vote, either one!

It's clear to me that Obama and company are hell bent on destroying our Republic. He has no hesitation to violate the very Constitution he swore to preserve and protect.

And what Harry Reid has done and is doing in the Senate is nothing short of criminal.

Both should be brought before the House for impeachment, and on to the Senate for trial. Our very system of government is under severe attack.

“Science not Conservatism”

Since: Jan 12

Progress, not Denial

#19 Jan 17, 2013
the real guest wrote:
Agreed to a point. However, I don't recall conservatives to ever willingly cause so much damage to the economy as have the Democrats since regaining control of Congress after the 2006 elections.
..EDITED...
Proof that you simply cannot believe a single thing a rightie says. When you start out with absurd lies - obviously, it's been Conservatives who HAVE caused most of the damage to the economy - you're not going to suddenly get the truth in subsequent comments.

Laughable.
the real guest

United States

#20 Jan 17, 2013
tha Professor wrote:
Proof that you simply cannot believe a single thing a rightie says. When you start out with absurd lies - obviously, it's been Conservatives who HAVE caused most of the damage to the economy - you're not going to suddenly get the truth in subsequent comments.
Laughable.
I didn't lie at all.

It's a fact that Democrats have doubled our national debt since they gained control of Congress after the 2006 elections.

It's a fact that Democrats took a $325 billion average annual deficit that the Republicans were running, and quadrupled it to $1.4 trillion per year.

It's a fact that Senate Democrats haven't passed a budget in almost 4 years.

It's a fact that only 2 budget bills have been brought up in the Senate for discussion and a vote in the last 3 years, both of them submitted by Obama and neither one getting a single favorable vote even from the Democrats!

It's a fact that Senate Democrats have refused to bring up for discussion and a vote either of the budget bills passed by the House in 2011 and 2012.

It's a fact that Senate Democrats blocked a proposed constitutional amendment to balance the budget.

It's a fact that Senate Democrats refused to bring up for discussion and a vote a bill passed by the House last August to extend the tax rates beyond their expriation on Jan. 1, 2013, which would have avoided the fiscual cliff crisis.

It's a fact that Senate Democrats refused to bring up for discussion and a vote a bill passed by the House to modify entitlement programs to prevent bankrupting the nation.

I could go on all day. Those are facts my friend, and those facts prove that Democrats are hell bent on destroying our economy.

“Science not Conservatism”

Since: Jan 12

Progress, not Denial

#21 Jan 18, 2013
the real guest wrote:
I didn't lie at all.
It's a fact that Democrats have doubled our national debt since they gained control of Congress after the 2006 elections.

>>Democrats alone did not have the power to "double" anything, and the major reason our debt has in creased sharply is, of course, the combination of the Bush tax cuts and military spending, and the anti-recession spending BOTH parties have agreed was necessary. TARP, for instance, was a Bush spending bill. Your comments are partisan and inaccurate.

It's a fact that Democrats took a $325 billion average annual deficit that the Republicans were running, and quadrupled it to $1.4 trillion per year.

>>See above.

It's a fact that Senate Democrats haven't passed a budget in almost 4 years.

>>True, and that's at least partially true because of Republican opposition.

It's a fact that only 2 budget bills have been brought up in the Senate for discussion and a vote in the last 3 years, both of them submitted by Obama and neither one getting a single favorable vote even from the Democrats!

>>At least you admit it was Congress, both parties, and not Obama responsible for this.

It's a fact that Senate Democrats have refused to bring up for discussion and a vote either of the budget bills passed by the House in 2011 and 2012.

>>See above, and your continued obsession with the budget is noted.

It's a fact that Senate Democrats blocked a proposed constitutional amendment to balance the budget.

>>Of course, because that would be irresponsible. No one but extremist partisan Republicans supports that nonsense.

It's a fact that Senate Democrats refused to bring up for discussion and a vote a bill passed by the House last August to extend the tax rates beyond their expriation on Jan. 1, 2013, which would have avoided the fiscual cliff crisis.

>>IOW, it's a fact that Democrats won't support irresponsible Republican bills. Agreed, and I support them in that.

It's a fact that Senate Democrats refused to bring up for discussion and a vote a bill passed by the House to modify entitlement programs to prevent bankrupting the nation.

>>More partisan nonsense. It is not "entitlement programs" which are "bankrupting" (itself false) the nation.

I could go on all day. Those are facts my friend, and those facts prove that Democrats are hell bent on destroying our economy.

>>Those are NOT facts, nor are they factually presented, nor are you anything but a partisan buffoon. Nor are you "my friend."

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