A fair choice for Puerto Rico is a real choice

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The Orlando Sentinel, in its March 28 editorial, "A Stacked Deck," was badly misled about the bipartisan bill I co-sponsored to enable Puerto Ricans to determine their preference for Puerto Rico's future ...

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Apr 5, 2007
 
Commonwealth, Current Status, proposed commonwealth plan, call it what you will. A majority of the people of Puerto Rico have rejected statehood many times over. You treat them as if they are stupid. Why must you keep with coming up with ways to make them choose statehood against their will. Enough already!!! Do something to help IMPROVE THE MATH SCORES OF THE STUDENTS IN PR and STOOP WASTING OUR TIME!!!
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Apr 5, 2007
 
I wish I could believe your intentions as far as pushing for a non colonial status. But in reality, who will benefit? If is the people that will benefit I am all for it. Now, tell me something; If I'm not mistaken, if Puerto Rico becomes a state the current puertorrican legislature will no longer exist as we know it; it will be eliminated, right? Do you really think that the local legislature will facilitate and support the mechanism to "change" the actual status? Do you really think they will kill their cash cow? This is a change that requires a mandate from the US by constitutional right not by vote. Giving us the natives of Puerto Rico a chance to "decide" is an excuse to prolong the agony of the colony of Puerto Rico and all it's inhabitants. Just like President Bush recently certified "El Yunque" as "El Yunque" he could pronounce Puerto Rico a state, that simple.
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Apr 5, 2007
 
The Federal Government should keep its death penalty out of Puerto Rico. The Constitution of Puerto Rico prohibits the death penalty. The death penalty is not welcome in Puerto Rico.
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Apr 5, 2007
 
Well put. It is refreshing to see some discussion on this that is not filled with bigotry or hate. The legislature is not going to kill their cash cow, nor is the US military going to allow Puerto Rico to cede from the Union. This is just prolonging a big joke where people think there will have an actual say in the matter.

At the end its the common man that suffers. Most folk have a stereotype of Puerto Rico being a violent ghetto. Like most places such areas exist however a good amount of Puerto Rico consists of country side with retirees who are older and content to live on their land with a couple of chickens, cow, and horse. These are folks that live off their retirement benefits and will be the ones to suffer (as they do already) at the bungling of the legislature in the island.
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I wish I could believe your intentions as far as pushing for a non colonial status. But in reality, who will benefit? If is the people that will benefit I am all for it. Now, tell me something; If I'm not mistaken, if Puerto Rico becomes a state the current puertorrican legislature will no longer exist as we know it; it will be eliminated, right? Do you really think that the local legislature will facilitate and support the mechanism to "change" the actual status? Do you really think they will kill their cash cow? This is a change that requires a mandate from the US by constitutional right not by vote. Giving us the natives of Puerto Rico a chance to "decide" is an excuse to prolong the agony of the colony of Puerto Rico and all it's inhabitants. Just like President Bush recently certified "El Yunque" as "El Yunque" he could pronounce Puerto Rico a state, that simple.
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Apr 5, 2007
 
Luisa wrote:
The Federal Government should keep its death penalty out of Puerto Rico. The Constitution of Puerto Rico prohibits the death penalty. The death penalty is not welcome in Puerto Rico.
Luisa,

Yes, there is no death penalty in Puerto Rico for cold-hearted killers, just for the innocent who are killed by them. All facetious comments aside, the fact is that you are right, the Puerto Rican Constitution does not allow for the Island to execute criminals that commit heinous crimes against innocent children, mothers and elderly citizens, but and here is the but; it does not trump Federal law so if a suspect is found guilty and sentence to the death penalty in a Federal court in Puerto Rico then the criminal is taken to the nearest jurisdiction that has the death penalty and put to death 15 to 20 years after going through all the appeals. Where is the justice in that for the victims’ families? I for one would love to have these individuals taken to an off shore Alaskan island and put to work in hard labor for the rest of their lives. Give them the right to be visited by a chaplain so they can repent and pay penance for their crimes in snuffing out an innocent life. Yes, no death penalty in Puerto Rico…against the innocent, especially against the Children! By the way, what does this have to do with the topic of the threat?
MataconHacha

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Apr 5, 2007
 
Roy wrote:
Commonwealth, Current Status, proposed commonwealth plan, call it what you will. A majority of the people of Puerto Rico have rejected statehood many times over. You treat them as if they are stupid. Why must you keep with coming up with ways to make them choose statehood against their will. Enough already!!! Do something to help IMPROVE THE MATH SCORES OF THE STUDENTS IN PR and STOOP WASTING OUR TIME!!!
Roy,

If you really would do research of the political waste of time local referendums, you will find that no one is pushing Statehood on Puerto Rico from the Federal level. On the contrary, Congress has in the past clearly stated that Citizenship granted in 1917 did not guarantee that Puerto Rico would be granted Statehood. Jingoism and outright racism was leveled against that status for Puerto Rico by many Congressmen. The local efforts to have the people vote for Statehood has been a waste of time, not because it could not mustered enough votes, but because the defenders of “Estado Libre Asociado”(talk about a Oxymoron!) AKA “Commonwealth” would promise “villas y castillas” everything between here and the end of the universe for those that voted for it. The current Status has run out of steam and those that support it continue to live in the past or are looking to expand it when in reality the political rubber band keeps snapping back and they realize that it will not give more. They are keeping a comatose patience on life support and pouring millions into a behemoth bureaucracy that swallows tax payers’ money coming out of the pockets of us in the States and those in the island. So Roy, don’t worry about Statehood for Puerto Rico, it will never be granted unless the politicians in D.C. see something that they can gain from it. However, that patience will be kept on life support for just a little more.
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Apr 6, 2007
 
I support statehood for Puerto Rico, I moved to Orlando two years ago, looking for new opportunities. I love Puerto Rico, but things are getting out of control. I really support statehood for the island. I think we are already a state. Puerto Rico would be stronger, and our love for the island would be stronger if we become a state. It would be nice to be part of a great nation like this one, the United States of America. I also think that those Puerto Ricans that are living in the USA, and do not want statehood for the island should go back and stay in the island. If they do not want to be part of the USA, what are they doing here? Hypocrisy is their daily bread.
I love Puerto Rico and I am very proud to be US Citizen and be part of this great Nation.
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Apr 6, 2007
 
Jose Munoz wrote:
I support statehood for Puerto Rico, I moved to Orlando two years ago, looking for new opportunities. I love Puerto Rico, but things are getting out of control. I really support statehood for the island. I think we are already a state. Puerto Rico would be stronger, and our love for the island would be stronger if we become a state. It would be nice to be part of a great nation like this one, the United States of America. I also think that those Puerto Ricans that are living in the USA, and do not want statehood for the island should go back and stay in the island. If they do not want to be part of the USA, what are they doing here? Hypocrisy is their daily bread.
I love Puerto Rico and I am very proud to be US Citizen and be part of this great Nation.
Great post. Any American that doesn't welcome you and all like you has real problems.
Luis Serrano

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Apr 7, 2007
 
Roy... Just like the US is constructing nations elsewhere we need to look at our own backyard and take command of an unfair status. The fight for the rights of "ALL" US Citizens is never a waste of time. Can you add 50+1? If we were under equal conditions as the rest of the nation Puerto Rico would become the paradise of the Caribbean, academically and economically. Statehood is a right we have earned, we want it now!
Roy wrote:
Commonwealth, Current Status, proposed commonwealth plan, call it what you will. A majority of the people of Puerto Rico have rejected statehood many times over. You treat them as if they are stupid. Why must you keep with coming up with ways to make them choose statehood against their will. Enough already!!! Do something to help IMPROVE THE MATH SCORES OF THE STUDENTS IN PR and STOOP WASTING OUR TIME!!!
derek

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Apr 7, 2007
 
Support a Nation freely associated with the US or if that is not on the table then total independence. Problem with many people is like the saying: "They wish to have there cake and eat it too." See the following: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/have_one%27s_ca... People move to US and still expect to hold on to what they have or had in PR.. Pick one you cannot have both.
Statehood would mean extinction of the culture. In the meantime the people in PR. would become minorities in there own nation while waiting for extinction. People who cannot see that only care about themselves and/or money. This issue is more than what is best for me. It should be what is best for PR. in the longterm. Has far has I know extinction is not good for any nation. Those who say extinction cannot happen need to get real. It has happened and is happening. Following is an example:
Colombia owns three islands in the Western Caribbean. San Andres y Providencia. They used to be inhabited by people that arrived from Jamaica centuries ago. They speak english. Now they only make up 40% of the population since Colombians with money have been moving in. Spanish is becoming the dominant language. If you don't believe me read this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Andr%C3%A9s,...

All nations have citizens that are scared when they hear independence. Same thing happened to US and Venezuela during there wars of Independence. In the US those people didn't want the english to go. In Venezuela they didn't want the Spanish to go. What happened. The ones in the US went to Canada. The ones in Venezuela left Venezuela and many ended up in PR.

If Independence is picked over Associated Republic, PR. will survive. The infrastructure is already built. And there is a tax base. PR. could trade with more nations. They say PR. would be like Taiwan or South Korea. Another good thing, US would get another friend in the UN.

And Happy Easter to all.
MataconHacha

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Apr 7, 2007
 
For those that support Statehood I applaud your desire. However, it is not up to the citizens of Puerto Rico, but to the Congress. They will not support it plain and simple. Here are some reasons I have observed throughout the years: Republicans worried that it will tilt the national political scene because they fear Puerto Rico would be a Democratic state. Democrats will continue to support the status quo: “The Free Associate State of Puerto Rico” (AKA, Commonwealth) while lining their pockets with political donations from the supporters of the limbo status. Those politicians that continue to support statehood from the national level will continue to do what they have always done; pat the advocates of Statehood on the head and continue to just give plain old lip service. I simply could not live in a second class status so I moved to the states to enjoy my rights as an American citizen. If Congress will not work on Statehood then the best Puerto Rico could have is a dignified status; an associated nation or complete independence plain and simple.
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Apr 7, 2007
 
derek wrote:
Support a Nation freely associated with the US or if that is not on the table then total independence. Problem with many people is like the saying: "They wish to have there cake and eat it too." See the following: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/have_one%27s_ca... People move to US and still expect to hold on to what they have or had in PR.. Pick one you cannot have both.
Statehood would mean extinction of the culture. In the meantime the people in PR. would become minorities in there own nation while waiting for extinction. People who cannot see that only care about themselves and/or money. This issue is more than what is best for me. It should be what is best for PR. in the longterm. Has far has I know extinction is not good for any nation. Those who say extinction cannot happen need to get real. It has happened and is happening. Following is an example:
Colombia owns three islands in the Western Caribbean. San Andres y Providencia. They used to be inhabited by people that arrived from Jamaica centuries ago. They speak english. Now they only make up 40% of the population since Colombians with money have been moving in. Spanish is becoming the dominant language. If you don't believe me read this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Andr%C3%A9s,...
All nations have citizens that are scared when they hear independence. Same thing happened to US and Venezuela during there wars of Independence. In the US those people didn't want the english to go. In Venezuela they didn't want the Spanish to go. What happened. The ones in the US went to Canada. The ones in Venezuela left Venezuela and many ended up in PR.
If Independence is picked over Associated Republic, PR. will survive. The infrastructure is already built. And there is a tax base. PR. could trade with more nations. They say PR. would be like Taiwan or South Korea. Another good thing, US would get another friend in the UN.
And Happy Easter to all.
Derek,

Don't waste your time in Wikipedia. Anyone can go into it and put what they want. Feliz Pascuals to you too!
Luis Serrano

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Apr 7, 2007
 
Nice name "MataConHacha", wonder what you were thinking ;-), anyway, I agree with 98% of what you say, but, the only two true options are statehood or independence. That of an "associated" anything sounds like the current status's illusion. We either become a state or independent; other "associations" will grow from additional negotiations with other countries to include the US if PR becomes independent (and that is a risk I do not welcome).
MataconHacha wrote:
For those that support Statehood I applaud your desire. However, it is not up to the citizens of Puerto Rico, but to the Congress. They will not support it plain and simple. Here are some reasons I have observed throughout the years: Republicans worried that it will tilt the national political scene because they fear Puerto Rico would be a Democratic state. Democrats will continue to support the status quo:“The Free Associate State of Puerto Rico”(AKA, Commonwealth) while lining their pockets with political donations from the supporters of the limbo status. Those politicians that continue to support statehood from the national level will continue to do what they have always done; pat the advocates of Statehood on the head and continue to just give plain old lip service. I simply could not live in a second class status so I moved to the states to enjoy my rights as an American citizen. If Congress will not work on Statehood then the best Puerto Rico could have is a dignified status; an associated nation or complete independence plain and simple.
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Apr 7, 2007
 
My concern and the real legit concern for this country is to end the enternal subsidy that ius paid to support tax breaks in PR every year. A few billion only it is true, but after Chimpo and crew have crippled the American economy and sold out all out workers to off shore or illegal immigrants we are broke. We need to stop pouring money down all these ratholes that the fat cats have set up in our nation to enrich themselves. Ending the 2B a week war habit would also help. Maybe start building the next generation's energy industry and college funding instead. That has real pay backs. One thing about PR, if they were to become a state they would need to dump Spanish. They may not be ready to do that. Their choice, just get the matter out of my wallet. But it is hard to immagine that there is anyone wanting to more closely associate themselves with the Chimpo regime.
derek

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Apr 7, 2007
 
^^Answering two posts up. Wikipedia has good info.. But just to make the point read the following on San Andres & Providencia from another completely different sources .
[Quote]Realizing that We the inhabitants of the territory are subject to a way of life that can be typified as "internal colonialism, racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia and related intolerance," imposed by the Colombian State.
Recalling that by means of spontaneous adhesion, so recognized and registered by the political and diplomatic history of Colombia (Enrique Gaviria Lievano - Nuestro Archipiilago de San Andres y la Mosquitia Colombiana, Plaza & Janes, 1984), we the Indigenous Native Raizal Afro-descendant Peoples by our own free will adhered in Providence on June 23, in San Andres on July 21, and later on in Corn Islands in 1822 to the Constitution of Czcuta of 1821 which had brought into being the Federation of States under the denomination of The Gran Colombia. This proclamation was signed, among others, by Messrs. Archbold, McBean, Mckeller, Torcuato Bowie, O'Neille, Pedro Peterson, Barker, Bent, Guillermo Lever y Max O'Glemay (O'May).
Recognizing that seeking to show sovereignty over our Archipelago Territory, and in order to bring about the integration, assimilation and annihilation of our people, the Colombian State has willfully permitted and promoted a continuous massive migration flow of mainland Colombians and aliens to settle in the Archipelago which has not only brought about an alarming state of overpopulation of our islands (currently 100,000 inhabitants, of which we are now only 25,000, overcrowded in 27 square kilometers of land) but also expropriation of ancestral territory, including the desecration of cemeteries, destruction of the environment, displacement, and caused us, as the Indigenous Inhabitants, to become a minority in our own homeland. A plot of the State known as the Secret Document confirms this[/Unquote]

You see it can happen.

If want to read entire article go to this site: http://www.centrelink.org/August2003.html#sev...
Then go to issue #7.
MataconHacha

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Apr 8, 2007
 
Luis Serrano wrote:
Nice name "MataConHacha", wonder what you were thinking ;-), anyway, I agree with 98% of what you say, but, the only two true options are statehood or independence. That of an "associated" anything sounds like the current status's illusion. We either become a state or independent; other "associations" will grow from additional negotiations with other countries to include the US if PR becomes independent (and that is a risk I do not welcome).
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Luis,

The moniker is just one that refers to those of my home town of Cabo Rojo. Anyway, several books have referred to the Associated Nation and I see it as a legit status for those that fear a complete break off from the United States. However, I truly believe that it should be complete Statehood or Complete independence. In any case the political situation will continue to fester for years to come. One factor that will move it will be Cuba. If Cuba opens up and allows for free elections, a move to a capitalist economy and the normalization of ties with the U.S. then Puerto Rico will have to do something drastic to resolve its dilemma because Cuba will siphon investments, tourist and economical funds from it.

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Apr 8, 2007
 
MCH,
You've hit the nail on the head. The prospect of a free Cuba is much more attractive to the US than the political and economical investment it will take to transform Puerto Rico into a state. However, what about constitutional rights? I think we are entitled to the same rights as the rest of the nation, don't you? How about just doing the right thing?
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Luis,
The moniker is just one that refers to those of my home town of Cabo Rojo. Anyway, several books have referred to the Associated Nation and I see it as a legit status for those that fear a complete break off from the United States. However, I truly believe that it should be complete Statehood or Complete independence. In any case the political situation will continue to fester for years to come. One factor that will move it will be Cuba. If Cuba opens up and allows for free elections, a move to a capitalist economy and the normalization of ties with the U.S. then Puerto Rico will have to do something drastic to resolve its dilemma because Cuba will siphon investments, tourist and economical funds from it.
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Apr 8, 2007
 
^Some people here say the people who want Statehood have 50 states to pick from.
Anyway, US gov't. doesn't not have to ask PR. what status they want. They can do what they did with the Philippines.
[Quote]Jones Act
Jones Act, or Organic Act of the Philippine Islands, passed by Congress on 29 August 1916, provided for the government of the Philippines and committed the United States to the future independence of the archipelago. The act gave the right to vote to all male citizens over twenty-one years of age who could read and write. The two houses of the Philippine Congress were made wholly elective; the president of the United States was to appoint, subject to confirmation by the Senate, justices of the Philippine Supreme Court and a governor-general. Full independence of the Philippines was realized in 1946.[/Unquote]
The Jones Act of 1916 shouldn't be confused with the Jones Act of 1917 which gave PR. US Citizenship.

The US gov't. can let a territory/commonwealth go if they want too without asking the ppl. who live there. Should be noted that the Philippines did become a Commonwealth before Independence. Why did US give the Philippines there independence when compared to PR. the Philippines was more strategically located and had vast amounts of resources. They say it was because of Population. If the Philippines had had the same pop. has PR. they probably still would be part of the US. But since they had a big pop. they decided to cut them loose without giving the Filipino ppl. in 1916 any special vote to decide if they wanted Independence or not. There are 100 million Filipinos today.
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Apr 8, 2007
 
Independence !

That way you can have a Dictator of your Choice (at least at first ).
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Luis Serrano wrote:
MCH,
You've hit the nail on the head. The prospect of a free Cuba is much more attractive to the US than the political and economical investment it will take to transform Puerto Rico into a state. However, what about constitutional rights? I think we are entitled to the same rights as the rest of the nation, don't you? How about just doing the right thing?
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Luis,

Doing the right thing and doing it for another reason are quite different things. If the U.S. wanted to do the right thing they would had bestow on the Citizens of Puerto Rico Statehood when there was a clamor for it in the early 20th century. However outright racism and colonial attitudes were always present. The U.S. insistence of keeping Puerto Rico as colony for whatever reason has become a political nightmare; how can you kick AMERICAN citizens to the curb without the condemnation of the world and of its own citizens on the island and in the mainland? Now that is one hell of a quagmire is it not?

In reference to Derek’s statement that the U.S. Government can give any of its territories the exit door is correct in someway, but remember the inhabitants of the Philippines were not U.S. Citizens, but U.S. Nationals and the Philippine Organic act of 1916 clearly stated that the Asian Pacific islands would be given independence in an unspecific time in the future.

Time will only tell how this is going to end up as. I only hope it would be soon due to the break down of the system in Puerto Rico in all its aspects. It is time that the U.S. pays the piper and genuinely look for a permanent remedy to the political limbo it help create in 1917 and 1952.

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