Mythbusting on immigration

Aug 10, 2013 Full story: The Washington Post 401

Doug Massey , anyway. Massey is one of the nation's preeminent immigration scholars.

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Oldglory

Banning, CA

#341 Oct 22, 2013
And by the way out of the 1 million legal immigrants that we allow in today the huge majority of them are from south of our border and that doesn't even include the family reunification category that they also hold the highest numbers in. So there is no discrimination against Latinos if that is what you are implying. It is just that we cannot take them all in anymore than we can take in the entire 2 billion impoverished across the world. That would be committing national suicide and killing the goose that laid the golden egg. Illegal immigration negates our sane legal immigration policies. If you don't make the cut then you have no right to come here anyway.

“Work hard at work worth doing.”

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#342 Oct 22, 2013
superwilly wrote:
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My immigrant ancestors fought hard to learn english and assimilate. My grandfathet explained it "willy; momma and poppa taught us 'speak polish and english at home, outside, and in school speak english, we are in america now, we are american, this is our country now, we are not in poland'". They were so determined to change and become contributing american citizens. Potential immigrants should all have that attitude and determination.
Amen, I couldn't agree more. My great grands had the same mindset. My grandmother could speak both English and was fluent in Czech. I have been tracing my roots, and amazingly, I had ancestors that lived about 100 miles from where I live today. We moved here because my husband's job relocated to this part of the country. We have bonafide DAR roots, which I never knew about. I figured that my people came around the time of the mad rush to the USA at the turn of the century, but found that many came right after the Civil War. It's sad that so many of the stories I would have loved to have heard, were never told to me. I hope that there were no slaves in their closets. I wish I knew more of the language of their homeland, but had to settle for learning a foreign language in school. I was fortunate enough to have one offered in grade school, which I continued to take in HS, and in college. Because it is a "romance" language, I was able to pick up Italian and some Spanish.
Ask A Mojado

Palm Desert, CA

#343 Oct 22, 2013
myth..: mojados use cucrachas for roller skates... " busted " fact..: mojados own cucarachas as pets and fundio crumb cleaners...

“too hard to handle”

Since: Jun 11

butler, pa

#345 Oct 23, 2013
Memo From Turner wrote:
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Please explain the elaborate process your family went through before they came here legally. It will be inspiring to hear how they did it and would serve as an example to others.


The average immigrant from europe had about 10 dollars in his pocket and the clothes on his back when he or she made it to ellis island. Upon arrival they would have a physical and interview. Those who did not pass inspection were sent back. Most immigrants were peasants. They were monitored and if they did not show progress in assimilation within 6 months they were deported.

There is a huge difference between them and someone who thinks they can just drive across a border and offer nothing and never become a contributing citizen.

As for encouragement, my ancestor immigrant was a 16 year old boy who did it right, got a job as a stablehand, and over 20 years saved and brought his entire family here. And if you tell me the illegals are just doing that too, I can show you the paperwork on my ancestors, who were very conscientious about doing it the right way.

Since: Oct 13

New York

#346 Oct 23, 2013
superwilly wrote:
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The average immigrant from europe had about 10 dollars in his pocket and the clothes on his back when he or she made it to ellis island. Upon arrival they would have a physical and interview. Those who did not pass inspection were sent back. Most immigrants were peasants. They were monitored and if they did not show progress in assimilation within 6 months they were deported.
There is a huge difference between them and someone who thinks they can just drive across a border and offer nothing and never become a contributing citizen.
As for encouragement, my ancestor immigrant was a 16 year old boy who did it right, got a job as a stablehand, and over 20 years saved and brought his entire family here. And if you tell me the illegals are just doing that too, I can show you the paperwork on my ancestors, who were very conscientious about doing it the right way.
I don't think so.
Storm Warning

De Forest, WI

#347 Oct 23, 2013
Well a lot of them are missing, when they have any type of benefits coming the meat companies just shove them into the meat grinder and then we have taco flavored hot dogs. keeps down on the workers comp cases.

“Work hard at work worth doing.”

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#349 Oct 24, 2013
superwilly wrote:
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My immigrant ancestors fought hard to learn english and assimilate. My grandfathet explained it "willy; momma and poppa taught us 'speak polish and english at home, outside, and in school speak english, we are in america now, we are american, this is our country now, we are not in poland'". They were so determined to change and become contributing american citizens. Potential immigrants should all have that attitude and determination.
My husband's grandparents met on the boat coming over. They were two lonely young folks, I guess. He wrestled,(crazy way to make money), and saved enough money to buy and run a pretty successful restaurant that is still in the Chicago today. It was one of the few small businesses in the area that made it through the Great Depression. I tracked them on Ancestry.com , and see that they were naturalized in about ten years. Because of his hard work, the family lived a pretty good life, never relying on the government for anything.
Memo From Turner

Bellmore, NY

#350 Oct 24, 2013
superwilly wrote:
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The average immigrant from europe had about 10 dollars in his pocket and the clothes on his back when he or she made it to ellis island. Upon arrival they would have a physical and interview. Those who did not pass inspection were sent back. Most immigrants were peasants. They were monitored and if they did not show progress in assimilation within 6 months they were deported.
There is a huge difference between them and someone who thinks they can just drive across a border and offer nothing and never become a contributing citizen.
As for encouragement, my ancestor immigrant was a 16 year old boy who did it right, got a job as a stablehand, and over 20 years saved and brought his entire family here. And if you tell me the illegals are just doing that too, I can show you the paperwork on my ancestors, who were very conscientious about doing it the right way.
The inspection process at Ellis Island was not nearly as difficult as people make it out to be. There were a total of 23 questions and doctors were allotted six seconds to conduct an examination. The entire process took between two hours and five hours and more than 98% of people were allowed to enter. Others were sent to a quarantine area for a couple of day observation if they appeared to be sick. Nobody was monitored after entry.

It has been said that if past immigrants had to go through the processes in place now then 90% of immigrants would have never come here.

Conversely if we built welcome centers at the border and told people there was a 98% chance that they could immigrant legally within two hours it is unlikely that many people would enter illegally.
Oldglory

Banning, CA

#351 Oct 24, 2013
Memo From Turner wrote:
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The inspection process at Ellis Island was not nearly as difficult as people make it out to be. There were a total of 23 questions and doctors were allotted six seconds to conduct an examination. The entire process took between two hours and five hours and more than 98% of people were allowed to enter. Others were sent to a quarantine area for a couple of day observation if they appeared to be sick. Nobody was monitored after entry.
It has been said that if past immigrants had to go through the processes in place now then 90% of immigrants would have never come here.
Conversely if we built welcome centers at the border and told people there was a 98% chance that they could immigrant legally within two hours it is unlikely that many people would enter illegally.
Regardless of what policies were in place back then to migrate here vs today there are reasons that it was easier back then opposed to today. Our population numbers have grown immensely since back then. Our jobs and social and natural resources are not of the supply they were back then. What part of that aren't you people getting? We have had to change our policies and quotas over the years based on the above.

There are 2 billion impoverished across the world. If we allowed anyone to come here in any numbers just because they want to we would be committing national suicide. It is not ok to come here illegally just because our yearly quotas have been filled. Think man!!!!
Memo From Turner

Bellmore, NY

#352 Oct 24, 2013
Oldglory wrote:
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Regardless of what policies were in place back then to migrate here vs today there are reasons that it was easier back then opposed to today. Our population numbers have grown immensely since back then. Our jobs and social and natural resources are not of the supply they were back then. What part of that aren't you people getting? We have had to change our policies and quotas over the years based on the above.
There are 2 billion impoverished across the world. If we allowed anyone to come here in any numbers just because they want to we would be committing national suicide. It is not ok to come here illegally just because our yearly quotas have been filled. Think man!!!!
Our population has grown in the past two hundred years, but we are still one of the least populated countries on earth. We are ranked
No. 142 in terms of density.

http://www.worldatlas.com/aatlas/populations/...

The US actually faces a problem with a population that is growing too slowly and aging too quickly. Immigration solves both problems.

Nobody wants to see illegal immigration, but the quotas you mentioned need a serious adjustment. Millions of people have come here to work. Like it or not there is apparently a demand for their labor.

The US quota for Mexican visas is 5,000 per year. That is really not enough. Coupled with the long delays to do anything involving immigration it is a recipe for trouble. It takes up to 27 years to receive a visa in countries like the Philippines. Even if the government wants to deport somebody the immigration court backlogs are more than three years. That is ridiculous.

You may not agree with the proposed version of immigration reform. That is fine. Those things can be debated, but we clearly need some type of reform. If Congress wants to block any and all debate then it is not helping anybody.
Don Joe

Minneapolis, MN

#353 Oct 24, 2013
Memo From Turner wrote:
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Our population has grown in the past two hundred years, but we are still one of the least populated countries on earth. We are ranked
No. 142 in terms of density.
http://www.worldatlas.com/aatlas/populations/...
The US actually faces a problem with a population that is growing too slowly and aging too quickly. Immigration solves both problems.
Nobody wants to see illegal immigration, but the quotas you mentioned need a serious adjustment. Millions of people have come here to work. Like it or not there is apparently a demand for their labor.
The US quota for Mexican visas is 5,000 per year. That is really not enough. Coupled with the long delays to do anything involving immigration it is a recipe for trouble. It takes up to 27 years to receive a visa in countries like the Philippines. Even if the government wants to deport somebody the immigration court backlogs are more than three years. That is ridiculous.
You may not agree with the proposed version of immigration reform. That is fine. Those things can be debated, but we clearly need some type of reform. If Congress wants to block any and all debate then it is not helping anybody.
You stated that millions have come here and there is demand for their labor. True enough. In fact, most companies will gladly hire someone willing to do the work for less. Corporations have a vested interest in paying less and less. The more people they can draw here, the lower the wages and the more profits for the CEO.

How many should be allowed? Good question, and I don't know the answer. However, I do not believe the unemployment figures from the labor dept. I might cite reports that indicate approx 50% of our potential workforce is disengaged from the labor pool. Others cite a 47% figure for not paying income tax because of not sufficient income. The government has policies to ship jobs overseas; and they have been ignoring those corporations who hire illegals. Along with ignoring our crumbling infrastructure, it seems obvious to me that there is an unstated policy of flooding the labor pool intentionally to lower wages.

I would suggest the number of immigrants should not be increased until after we get our own economy back under control. I would suggest that the main draw for illegals are the corporations who hire them. If the law were obeyed and those corporations were properly fined for such illegal behavior on their part, they would stop and the illegal problem would mostly go away.

I suspect congress does not want debate on this issue. If there is debate, then solutions might be raised, and they don't want a change in the status quo. The GOP appears happy to support giant corporations in their illegal activities, and the democrats appear happy to have so many new supporters. I don't believe either wants a change.
Oldglory

Banning, CA

#354 Oct 24, 2013
Memo From Turner wrote:
<quoted text>
Our population has grown in the past two hundred years, but we are still one of the least populated countries on earth. We are ranked
No. 142 in terms of density.
http://www.worldatlas.com/aatlas/populations/...
The US actually faces a problem with a population that is growing too slowly and aging too quickly. Immigration solves both problems.
Nobody wants to see illegal immigration, but the quotas you mentioned need a serious adjustment. Millions of people have come here to work. Like it or not there is apparently a demand for their labor.
The US quota for Mexican visas is 5,000 per year. That is really not enough. Coupled with the long delays to do anything involving immigration it is a recipe for trouble. It takes up to 27 years to receive a visa in countries like the Philippines. Even if the government wants to deport somebody the immigration court backlogs are more than three years. That is ridiculous.
You may not agree with the proposed version of immigration reform. That is fine. Those things can be debated, but we clearly need some type of reform. If Congress wants to block any and all debate then it is not helping anybody.
You need to educate yourself on what the true carrying capacity of a nation is. It isn't just about open land but natural and social resources also. All the land we have in this country isn't ariable land not even close and we have shortages of everything.

We are facing low population? Got a link for that from not a left loon site? Our birthrates are still nearly double our death rates. If we truly needed more than the 1 million legal immigrants we allow in today due to low population don't you think that we would have lifted our quotas? Funny how you say our population is low and yet there are 23 million Americans out of work. You're not making any sense here.

There is only a demand for cheap labor. It isn't because employers can't find Americans to work for a fair wage. Why do we have 23 million Americans out of work if there is a demand for foreign labor?

Here are some facts for you about Mexican and other Latino immigration into our country both legal and illegal. They have overwhelmingly the highest quotas and that doesn't even take into account their numerous family reunifications on our soil.

http://blog.ohmygov.com/blogs/general_news/ar...

What is being proposed isn't reform it is amnesty. All we need to do to rid ourselves of illegal aliens is to implement e-verify in every workplace, deny them any benefits and change birthright citizenship. These are the magnets that keep them here and encourage them to keep coming here. Many if not most would self-deport without any means to support themselves. But you don't want that, do you? It doesn't fit with your anti-American agenda.
Memo From Turner

Bellmore, NY

#355 Oct 24, 2013
Oldglory wrote:
<quoted text>
You need to educate yourself on what the true carrying capacity of a nation is. It isn't just about open land but natural and social resources also. All the land we have in this country isn't ariable land not even close and we have shortages of everything.
We are facing low population? Got a link for that from not a left loon site? Our birthrates are still nearly double our death rates. If we truly needed more than the 1 million legal immigrants we allow in today due to low population don't you think that we would have lifted our quotas? Funny how you say our population is low and yet there are 23 million Americans out of work. You're not making any sense here.
There is only a demand for cheap labor. It isn't because employers can't find Americans to work for a fair wage. Why do we have 23 million Americans out of work if there is a demand for foreign labor?
Here are some facts for you about Mexican and other Latino immigration into our country both legal and illegal. They have overwhelmingly the highest quotas and that doesn't even take into account their numerous family reunifications on our soil.
http://blog.ohmygov.com/blogs/general_news/ar...
What is being proposed isn't reform it is amnesty. All we need to do to rid ourselves of illegal aliens is to implement e-verify in every workplace, deny them any benefits and change birthright citizenship. These are the magnets that keep them here and encourage them to keep coming here. Many if not most would self-deport without any means to support themselves. But you don't want that, do you? It doesn't fit with your anti-American agenda.
Lately there have been a lot of people on TV complaining about a website that went on-line two weeks ago. This is a website that will be used by only 15% of the population, but for some reason it is a big deal.

E-Verify went on-line in 1997 and is still plagued by glitches. Where is the outrage?

Last year there were only 7 million E-Verify queries and 88,000 people had to visit Social Security offices to resolve problems.

If the program was mandatory, SSA would have to review 154 million records in the initial implementation period, causing nearly 2 million more visits to SSA just during the implementation stage.

Due to the sequester and funding cuts demanded by the tea party there are far fewer Social Security employees then there were a year ago. If E-Verify was made mandatory there would now be fewer employees handling a 22 fold increase in workload.

Memo From Turner

Bellmore, NY

#356 Oct 24, 2013
Don Joe wrote:
<quoted text>
You stated that millions have come here and there is demand for their labor. True enough. In fact, most companies will gladly hire someone willing to do the work for less. Corporations have a vested interest in paying less and less. The more people they can draw here, the lower the wages and the more profits for the CEO.
How many should be allowed? Good question, and I don't know the answer. However, I do not believe the unemployment figures from the labor dept. I might cite reports that indicate approx 50% of our potential workforce is disengaged from the labor pool. Others cite a 47% figure for not paying income tax because of not sufficient income. The government has policies to ship jobs overseas; and they have been ignoring those corporations who hire illegals. Along with ignoring our crumbling infrastructure, it seems obvious to me that there is an unstated policy of flooding the labor pool intentionally to lower wages.
I would suggest the number of immigrants should not be increased until after we get our own economy back under control. I would suggest that the main draw for illegals are the corporations who hire them. If the law were obeyed and those corporations were properly fined for such illegal behavior on their part, they would stop and the illegal problem would mostly go away.
I suspect congress does not want debate on this issue. If there is debate, then solutions might be raised, and they don't want a change in the status quo. The GOP appears happy to support giant corporations in their illegal activities, and the democrats appear happy to have so many new supporters. I don't believe either wants a change.
That is pretty much the whole problem in a nut shell. If anybody was serious they would just go after the employers and everything else would take care of itself.

Sadly you are correct about everybody liking things the way they are. The Republicans give themselves away by not going after businesses, but the Democrats are no better insisting on citizenship or nothing. Legalization would accomplish most of their stated goals, but they won't have it. Everybody prefers to just run on the issue instead of resolving it.

Don Joe

Minneapolis, MN

#357 Oct 25, 2013
Memo From Turner wrote:
<quoted text>
That is pretty much the whole problem in a nut shell. If anybody was serious they would just go after the employers and everything else would take care of itself.
Sadly you are correct about everybody liking things the way they are. The Republicans give themselves away by not going after businesses, but the Democrats are no better insisting on citizenship or nothing. Legalization would accomplish most of their stated goals, but they won't have it. Everybody prefers to just run on the issue instead of resolving it.
We are much in agreement. I would suggest however, that while both major political parties of the US wants to keep things the way they are, the public is not happy about the way things are. Wages are being severely depressed in the USA, and I would bet that for most of the illegals, they would prefer to stay in their own countries, if they had a chance to support their families there. I am inclined to think that they come here for the opportunity to work for these companies who are intent on doing whatever is necessary to increase profits, even illegal things. They don't mind the wages which are so much lower than normal wages here, because it is so much higher than what they could get at home.

“too hard to handle”

Since: Jun 11

butler, pa

#358 Oct 25, 2013
Holla Isabella wrote:
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I don't think so.
Just check out the wesite ellisisland.com . it gives a detailed, accurate, and factual account regarding what an immigrant had to do to ca 1900. I didn't lie! There wasn't some kind of free open door for anybody to come here. Inspection and monitoring were strict.

“too hard to handle”

Since: Jun 11

butler, pa

#359 Oct 25, 2013
Ellisisland.org is the correct website. However, if any hispanics or liberals care to read a detailed account about how our european ancestors immigrated, check out wikipedia's detailed article about ellis island. Pay particular attention to the part about inspection stations.

“Work hard at work worth doing.”

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#360 Oct 25, 2013
superwilly wrote:
Ellisisland.org is the correct website. However, if any hispanics or liberals care to read a detailed account about how our european ancestors immigrated, check out wikipedia's detailed article about ellis island. Pay particular attention to the part about inspection stations.
I have checked it out before, searching for info on my ancestors. Very interesting site.
Oldglory

Banning, CA

#361 Oct 25, 2013
Memo From Turner wrote:
<quoted text>
Lately there have been a lot of people on TV complaining about a website that went on-line two weeks ago. This is a website that will be used by only 15% of the population, but for some reason it is a big deal.
E-Verify went on-line in 1997 and is still plagued by glitches. Where is the outrage?
Last year there were only 7 million E-Verify queries and 88,000 people had to visit Social Security offices to resolve problems.
If the program was mandatory, SSA would have to review 154 million records in the initial implementation period, causing nearly 2 million more visits to SSA just during the implementation stage.
Due to the sequester and funding cuts demanded by the tea party there are far fewer Social Security employees then there were a year ago. If E-Verify was made mandatory there would now be fewer employees handling a 22 fold increase in workload.
Despite the gliches e-verify is around 98% effective. It is only mandated in certain businesses like government offices for example. When I say mandate I mean every business from the smallest to the largest in the private sector also. Some things are necessary to prevent fraud and money shouldn't be the issue. We already spend tax dollars on other programs to prevent fraud. Why should this be any different? All you are doing is making excuses because you have no problem with illegal aliens stealing jobs from Americans. Admit it and truth shall set you free.
Ask A Mojado

Palm Desert, CA

#362 Oct 25, 2013
Zanonii wrote:
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So that what you use for pets and fundio crumb cleaners? Do you "ask a mojado?"
personally I use my Zanonii's

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