We're Already Fighting With Iran

The language that Gen. David Petraeus and Ambassador Ryan Crocker used Tuesday to describe the Iranian role in Iraq was extreme - and telling.

[Joe]

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Are any countries safe from attack by the US?

The Germans ran amok in Europe in the 1930's
and 40's and it looks like the US is repeating that
pattern in the Middle East now.

Honor America, impeach Messrs Bush & Cheney and their enablers and appeasers on both sides of the aisle in Congress.

[Gotta Love It]

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Is it time for the sedcond American Revolution yet?

[Jeff H]

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Gotta Love It wrote:

Is it time for the sedcond American Revolution yet?

Possibly, over the extremely high tax rates the liberals dirtbags whack us with to buy votes from suckers they like to keep "down on the plantation."

[Chewbone]

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It would be hilarious to see Bush's reaction if China decided to invade Canada for no apparant reason (oil) and then make up reasons as they went along. But they will surely invaded us in about 40 years intead, after they have sold all their female infants into American adoption agencies and the boys they keep are ripe for military duty in the North American Theater of Operations. Better learn to say "please don't shoot me and my family" in Canton Chinese.

[Jeff H]

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Chewbone wrote:

It would be hilarious to see Bush's reaction if China decided to invade Canada for no apparant reason (oil) and then make up reasons as they went along. But they will surely invaded us in about 40 years intead, after they have sold all their female infants into American adoption agencies and the boys they keep are ripe for military duty in the North American Theater of Operations. Better learn to say "please don't shoot me and my family" in Canton Chinese.

Yeah, we can thank the Clinton Crime Family for empowering the Chinese to some degree.

[GEE]

Jeff H wrote:

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Yeah, we can thank the Clinton Crime Family for empowering the Chinese to some degree.

....What will become of all those fat pension checks the state and town and police are getting...Time to freeze those.

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Would it be ok to give a moment here (and in classrooms across the country) to a review of our role in the creation of the present circumstances in Iran? There it was not the statue of a despot that we photo-oped off its pedestal but an elected government toppled in the dark. In both cases, the corrupt Shah of Iran and the client Saddam were made in the U.S.A.

Of course that was then and this is now - however bad the bungle, say some, we are now faced with the day-to-day emergencies that come with a shooting war. However, disregarding history because of that, in other words taking the hubris option,(no better example than the tone of George Bush's speech yesterday, 4/10, on the subject), which, close-minded as it is, makes tragedy, now and as it was in the ancient Greek dramas, inevitable.

So, perhaps if we revist history with a neasure of humility we can find answers or discover aspects of our problems that might suggest alternatives. The failure of grasp that has some comparing Japan, an ancient country of, essentially unified culture, with Iraq, an entity of factions whose wars go back to biblical times, cobbled together by a political mandate that has never sought or brought healing, invalidates much of the debate over the duration and the nature of our present and future involvement in the region. The same goes for the similarly unhealed scars of our overthrow of Iran's elected government. Just as persisent study of history has produced aplogies for atrocity,(genocide and salvery, for examples), from some governments, there may be some value in looking back to secure a footing for the next steps forward.

[American]

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Now, now, Iran just wants to make their own nuclear energy, they might run out of oil. Yeah, that's what it is...

[Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate]

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h c ecco wrote:

Would it be ok to give a moment here (and in classrooms across the country) to a review of our role in the creation of the present circumstances in Iran? There it was not the statue of a despot that we photo-oped off its pedestal but an elected government toppled in the dark. In both cases, the corrupt Shah of Iran and the client Saddam were made in the U.S.A.
Of course that was then and this is now - however bad the bungle, say some, we are now faced with the day-to-day emergencies that come with a shooting war. However, disregarding history because of that, in other words taking the hubris option,(no better example than the tone of George Bush's speech yesterday, 4/10, on the subject), which, close-minded as it is, makes tragedy, now and as it was in the ancient Greek dramas, inevitable.
So, perhaps if we revist history with a neasure of humility we can find answers or discover aspects of our problems that might suggest alternatives. The failure of grasp that has some comparing Japan, an ancient country of, essentially unified culture, with Iraq, an entity of factions whose wars go back to biblical times, cobbled together by a political mandate that has never sought or brought healing, invalidates much of the debate over the duration and the nature of our present and future involvement in the region. The same goes for the similarly unhealed scars of our overthrow of Iran's elected government. Just as persisent study of history has produced aplogies for atrocity,(genocide and salvery, for examples), from some governments, there may be some value in looking back to secure a footing for the next steps forward.

Because you write like you're in middle school, I refuse to consider your argument.

[John]

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I rather like it when America goes crazy. It provides lots of chuckles.

[Hubris]

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Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate wrote:

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Here's why you pay attention to what we do, but no one pays attention to what you do: We matter, you don't.

Hubris can be a dangerous thing. It has caused the downfall of more then one powerful nation.

Roman Empire
Troy
Iraq - Dessert Storm - 13th most powerful tank army in the world at the time.

It pays to keep pride in check. It can keep one from learning embarrassing lessons taught by their object of distain.

[John]

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Jeff H wrote:

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LOL! However, they do have some damn brave and tough fighters working alongside our military, working towards the same interests. Good on them.
Without the USA, Oz would be just another pissant muslim country.

How would we be a muslim country? The Indonesians earn a dollar a day and can't even afford a blue water navy. How are they going to invade - swim? Anyway muslims have no balls for a stand up fight.

[Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate]

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Jeff H wrote:

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LOL! However, they do have some damn brave and tough fighters working alongside our military, working towards the same interests. Good on them.

Agreed.

[Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate]

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Andrew wrote:

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You matter only as an example of a conceited dying empire desperately trying to be relevent. Keep on going - make me laugh.

Trying? Why would you pay attention if we weren't relevant?

[no lies]

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Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate wrote:

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Here's why you pay attention to what we do, but no one pays attention to what you do: We matter, you don't.

You accuse another poster of 'writing like they're in middle school'.

Then you post an ignorant, jingoistic message, insulting a long term and good ally of the USA. A nation that holds enough coal and uranium to be a major player in energy for decades to come.

You like to call others 'idiot'. The shoe fits, you are wearing it. Idiot.

[no lies]

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Jeff H wrote:

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Possibly, over the extremely high tax rates the liberals dirtbags whack us with to buy votes from suckers they like to keep "down on the plantation."

So you prefer to pay our war costs by borrowing money from China and Japan? A truly stupid proposition. But then, republicans are full of stupid ideas these days. That's why the Dems will sweep this fall.

The chickens always come home to roost. No debtor nation has been able to hold onto power for long. You'll see when they come to repossess your trailer.

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Jeff H wrote:

Yeah, joe, way to root for the terrorists, you piece of crap.
Are you really that stupid? Seriously? Do you not get it?

Jeff..tell your mom she needs to do a post-birth abortion.

[Gotta Love It]

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You accuse another poster of 'writing like they're in middle school'.
Then you post an ignorant, jingoistic message, insulting a long term and good ally of the USA. A nation that holds enough coal and uranium to be a major player in energy for decades to come.
You like to call others 'idiot'. The shoe fits, you are wearing it. Idiot.

Now there you go confusing Bucko with facts and the truth... pretty soon he will attack you personally. Just wait for it.

[Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate]

no lies wrote:

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You accuse another poster of 'writing like they're in middle school'.
Then you post an ignorant, jingoistic message, insulting a long term and good ally of the USA. A nation that holds enough coal and uranium to be a major player in energy for decades to come.
You like to call others 'idiot'. The shoe fits, you are wearing it. Idiot.

So, you're mad at me for insulting Australia, but you're not upset with an Australian for insulting our country. Do I have it right?

[FAV]

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Jeff H wrote:

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Possibly, over the extremely high tax rates the liberals dirtbags whack us with to buy votes from suckers they like to keep "down on the plantation."

How about a post that shows something above a dittohead mentality. You seem oblivious to the fact that the best Congress money can buy gave our aristocracy a massive tax cut and then OKd a criminal attack on Iraq that's going to cost us average Joes plenty in taxes over the years. But maybe you're one of the aristocracy that has much to gain from EMPIRE, then your idiotic posts make sense.