Us Ceo Blasts 'Three Hours a Day' French Workers

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The head of U.S. tire maker Titan launched a vitriolic attack on French productivity after the country's socialist government suggested he buy a tire factory in the north of France.
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rio

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Feb 20, 2013
 
The downfall of France's industrial sector; high labour cost, lack of productivity and unions militantism.

We used to have the same problem in UK in the 60s and 70s, until the employers called the unions bluff and let the companies go bankrupt and the factories to close.

With new employment rules, new investors came to UK to revive our industries. In many British industries, trade unions are just not recognised anymore!

France should keep the damned socialists at bay!!!

As for the Goodyear factory in Amiens, sack the lot, I say!!!
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Yes wee are lazee so what? Where are you going? Come back! Sacre bleu!
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No lessons to receive from labour slave Titan CEO traitor, he must fukc off from France, here we buy Michelin tires, and also if he is not happy with France unions why does he not employ US workers, because he wants slave labor.
No Sir go away and your chinese tires will be heavily taxed.
rio

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Feb 21, 2013
 
ocxz wrote:
No lessons to receive from labour slave Titan CEO traitor, he must fukc off from France, here we buy Michelin tires, and also if he is not happy with France unions why does he not employ US workers, because he wants slave labor.
No Sir go away and your chinese tires will be heavily taxed.
I can smell protectionism here...

These lazy workers should just have been sacked, no question about it.

No wonders France is in the doldrums, and is the butt of jokes worldwide.
ocxz

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rio wrote:
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I can smell protectionism here...
These lazy workers should just have been sacked, no question about it.
No wonders France is in the doldrums, and is the butt of jokes worldwide.
You are most welcome to join Titan and work for a chinese wage and all the benefits that come with.
rio

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Feb 21, 2013
 
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You are most welcome to join Titan and work for a chinese wage and all the benefits that come with.
I doubt if Titan US workers get paid Chinese wages.

But they certainly work more than 35 hours a week, and don't have 5 weeks paid holidays either.

Productivity and efficiency are words that aren't much heard anymore in France.
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A CEO who doesnt work at all and makes tens of millions a year is complaining about workingclass people working??? LOL. Now I do say Europe as a wholes doesnt work very hard... But CEO,s dont work at all and make millions doing nothing....SOOOOOOOOO
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Feb 21, 2013
 
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A CEO who doesnt work at all and makes tens of millions a year is complaining about workingclass people working??? LOL. Now I do say Europe as a wholes doesnt work very hard... But CEO,s dont work at all and make millions doing nothing....SOOOOOOOOO
Some people put their muscles to work, because that's all they have.

Other people put their grey matter to work, because it's a rarer commodity.

If there were no CEO, no entrepreuneur, no investor, there would be no business, no companies and ... no JOBS !!!

An American is perfectly entitled to say France doesn't work, because it's true.
US workers work a lot harder than many workers in the world, have longer working week and shorter holidays.
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rio wrote:
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Some people put their muscles to work, because that's all they have.
Other people put their grey matter to work, because it's a rarer commodity.
If there were no CEO, no entrepreuneur, no investor, there would be no business, no companies and ... no JOBS !!!
An American is perfectly entitled to say France doesn't work, because it's true.
US workers work a lot harder than many workers in the world, have longer working week and shorter holidays.
CEO,s work neither....There just figure heads so sit at meetings and travel and golf........Oh yea on working and America. Even or laziest part time workers work more and harder then almost all of Europe.
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Feb 21, 2013
 
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CEO,s work neither....There just figure heads so sit at meetings and travel and golf........
If they were only doing that, their companies would go down very quickly.

Being a CEO is about being educated, informed, follow the market, make decisions, network, control a budget, make projections, plan for the future, get loans, keep an eye on the account, chase the debtors, take responsability, lead, manage, inspire, know how to invest, initiate changes, draft policies, make choices, etc...

It's a lot more than playing golf, although since you are a detractor, I don't hope to convince you.

Maybe you should try it sometimes....
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rio wrote:
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If they were only doing that, their companies would go down very quickly.
Being a CEO is about being educated, informed, follow the market, make decisions, network, control a budget, make projections, plan for the future, get loans, keep an eye on the account, chase the debtors, take responsability, lead, manage, inspire, know how to invest, initiate changes, draft policies, make choices, etc...
It's a lot more than playing golf, although since you are a detractor, I don't hope to convince you.
Maybe you should try it sometimes....
Why do you think companies are going down? At GM at time of bailout the top paid people CEO down made more each year then almost 20,000 union workers combined.TOP HEAVY IS THE PROBLEM.

Oh and I own 5 gas stations and 3 have tire and oil change quick lubes attached.....SO YEA I KNOW.

My workers get piad higher then anyone else in field and they work very hard for me and my business is booming because of it. I dont over pay myself or managers either. THAT IS WHY I AM DOING GOOD.
rio

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Why do you think companies are going down? At GM at time of bailout the top paid people CEO down made more each year then almost 20,000 union workers combined.TOP HEAVY IS THE PROBLEM.
Oh and I own 5 gas stations and 3 have tire and oil change quick lubes attached.....SO YEA I KNOW.
My workers get piad higher then anyone else in field and they work very hard for me and my business is booming because of it. I dont over pay myself or managers either. THAT IS WHY I AM DOING GOOD.
I know that high retainers for CEO are a problem, but then, if you want to get the best, you got to pay the price.

Most CEOs who attract $millions wages have a good track record prior to their recruitment. Some of them are poasched from other successful companies, and that comes at a price.
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I know that high retainers for CEO are a problem, but then, if you want to get the best, you got to pay the price.
Most CEOs who attract $millions wages have a good track record prior to their recruitment. Some of them are poasched from other successful companies, and that comes at a price.
LOL...Ok keep lying. Good CEO,s dont take so much pay it hurts the company...Good CEOS base there pay on results. Good CEO,s have worked way up to that spot not got job right out of college......or because of family member on board.
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LOL...Ok keep lying. Good CEO,s dont take so much pay it hurts the company...Good CEOS base there pay on results. Good CEO,s have worked way up to that spot not got job right out of college......or because of family member on board.
I am not exactly defending overpaid CEOs, I am just explaining how they arrive at these exhorbitant wages.

There was a time, where the big 3 US car companies used to poach high executives from each other, to make them CEO.
Well, of course they had to put the money up to get a vice-president of GM to become a CEO at Ford, when it could just wait his time to be made CEO at GM. Chrysler raided Ford boardroom to get executives; well, at a price.
It was the same for the banks, the big industries, the insurance companies, the building corporations, etc...

Most CEO don't fix their wage, it's done by the board, approved by the AGM, etc...

I don't know how it works in the States, but here, our government has tried to put CEOs' wages and bonuses to be approved by the shareholders of large companies. I don't think the result is any different. Big companies are expected to pay their CEO a king's ransom: it's all about kudos...
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rio wrote:
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I am not exactly defending overpaid CEOs, I am just explaining how they arrive at these exhorbitant wages.
There was a time, where the big 3 US car companies used to poach high executives from each other, to make them CEO.
Well, of course they had to put the money up to get a vice-president of GM to become a CEO at Ford, when it could just wait his time to be made CEO at GM. Chrysler raided Ford boardroom to get executives; well, at a price.
It was the same for the banks, the big industries, the insurance companies, the building corporations, etc...
Most CEO don't fix their wage, it's done by the board, approved by the AGM, etc...
I don't know how it works in the States, but here, our government has tried to put CEOs' wages and bonuses to be approved by the shareholders of large companies. I don't think the result is any different. Big companies are expected to pay their CEO a king's ransom: it's all about kudos...
I see what you mean, Big companies are expected to pay CEO king's ransom, and their employees minimum wages, because one has the brains and the other one don't.

Like i said in every one of your comments its all talk about trade, money, but not one bit of human factor.

Because when a company does well it is only thanks to top management and CEO
Not thanks to the employees.

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Feb 22, 2013
 
rio wrote:
The downfall of France's industrial sector; high labour cost, lack of productivity and unions militantism.
We used to have the same problem in UK in the 60s and 70s, until the employers called the unions bluff and let the companies go bankrupt and the factories to close.
With new employment rules, new investors came to UK to revive our industries. In many British industries, trade unions are just not recognised anymore!
France should keep the damned socialists at bay!!!
As for the Goodyear factory in Amiens, sack the lot, I say!!!
Guy's letter is a caricature... also a highly skilled labour force good productivity, etc along with a few pockets of mummified CGT. Most profitable business ? Hermes employing highly paid artisans
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Guy's letter is a caricature...
I don't think so. It's what most foreign observers think about France's working ethics.

I worked for a multi-national years ago, and most of our problems were with the French branch. Problems with staffing during holiday periods, opening hours, lunch breaks, etc... That used to drive us mad.

In case of emergency, we could get the Singapore or Tokyo office stay several hours after home time or do a double shift to solve a problem, but we could get no cooperation from our offices in France. They stopped picking up the phone or answering emails if they were asked anything extra after hours.

I think the company shrank its staff in France and had the minimal interaction with the branch.

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I don't think so. It's what most foreign observers think about France's working ethics.
I worked for a multi-national years ago, and most of our problems were with the French branch. Problems with staffing during holiday periods, opening hours, lunch breaks, etc... That used to drive us mad.
In case of emergency, we could get the Singapore or Tokyo office stay several hours after home time or do a double shift to solve a problem, but we could get no cooperation from our offices in France. They stopped picking up the phone or answering emails if they were asked anything extra after hours.
I think the company shrank its staff in France and had the minimal interaction with the branch.
It does not corespond to any work exprerience I had. I did some internships in the UK but worked mostly here.. offices this side of the water are staffed later on in the day, the lunch break break is one hour (was the same in the UK) and what has to be done .. is done whatever time you finish. And this is only office work. Branches like catering or retail sales are much more exacting.

I guess that after three weeks on a Renault chain working shifts Mr Titan boss would have his ideas back into place. A boss who thinks of his staff only as cannon fodder does not deserve his job.
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Mr Titan considers employees as human stock just like commodities, only to be thrown away like waste once he has lined his pockets and the shareholders.
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ocxz wrote:
Mr Titan considers employees as human stock just like commodities, only to be thrown away like waste once he has lined his pockets and the shareholders.
Whatever Mr Titan says is almost irrelevent in thisd matter.
The fact is that the Goodyear Amiens plant is inefficient and loosing money for years.
For eight years (!), the management has been hodling consultation with the unions without result. Every proposal of shift changes, alteration in working practices, etc... have been refused and with France employment legislation, the company has been powerless to remedy to what is chronical laxism from the staff.
The union prefers to cut the branch they are sitting on, rather than save the jobs of their members. This, in the middle of a long recession.
I think Goodyear is fully entitled to close the plant, and tell them :GO TO HELL !!
In most countries, flexibility has been the saviour of jobs, but not in France.

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