Greek minority in Albania demands second official language

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Albania should declare the Greek language as the second official language in the country, just as Macedonia did with Albanian language.

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Nice work.

Do the census Albania. There are a lot more Greeks than you think.
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Geo wrote:
Nice work.
Do the census Albania. There are a lot more Greeks than you think.
Really?! How many? 10.000? Or 15.000?!!
Only some small villages near of Greece border used to speak that language!!! Their forefathers were invited by Albanian feudals, as simple agriculturists, during the 19-th century.
Nobody can compare this matter with the macedonian problem in whitch the albanians are 30% of population. By the way, how many ethnic macedonians are in Greece? As I'm informed...more than 200.000!!! What about their language?!
By the way...there are also 700.000 albanian workers in Greece. What can we say about them after one century??!!!
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Funny, here's one now in the capital bearing the Greek name Pyrrhus!
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pyrrhus wrote:
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Really?! How many? 10.000? Or 15.000?!!
Only some small villages near of Greece border used to speak that language!!! Their forefathers were invited by Albanian feudals, as simple agriculturists, during the 19-th century.
Nobody can compare this matter with the macedonian problem in whitch the albanians are 30% of population. By the way, how many ethnic macedonians are in Greece? As I'm informed...more than 200.000!!! What about their language?!
By the way...there are also 700.000 albanian workers in Greece. What can we say about them after one century??!!!
Well actually there's more like 2 million plus Macedonians in Greece man. And they don't want to be a minority in their own country.

And out of those Albanians how many are illegal? 700,000 if that's correct, ahem, is only 6.5% of the total population. And they are spread out through a couple of regions as well. So the number gets much smaller as illegal immigrants do not count.

The Greek minority in Albania is concentrated mainly in the south bordering Greece. The Albanian parliament won't make Greek the second official language, but if they haven't already, they will have to consider making it in some regions in the south.
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Besides, how did the Albanians in FYROM gain more rights? They took up arms. The same solution is available to Greeks.

“Shqiperia mbi te gjitha”

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funny...it will never happen..10000% sure for this
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Geo wrote:
Besides, how did the Albanians in FYROM gain more rights? They took up arms. The same solution is available to Greeks.
Well well!! You are guiding us an alternative of returning Chameria in our motherland Albania.
Thank you....really!
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Geo wrote:
Funny, here's one now in the capital bearing the Greek name Pyrrhus!
Pyrrhus is a Greek name?! AHAHAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA AAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA .OH...
Very good! Then you must explain to everybody in this forum: what does Pyrrhus mean using greek language! Be carefull! Explain it using the evolution rules of greek phonetice!
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Geo wrote:
Besides, how did the Albanians in FYROM gain more rights? They took up arms. The same solution is available to Greeks.
Even it was possible; all the greek community can hardly collect 15000 people including children and elderly.
They would be defeated by us only using the slaps. Imagine 3,3 million slaps for at most 15.000 poor runts. Dream on!!

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Geo wrote:
Besides, how did the Albanians in FYROM gain more rights? They took up arms. The same solution is available to Greeks.
then the same solution will be available for Albanians,Macedonians,Turks living in Greece,too!
be careful what you wish for?
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Well well!! You are guiding us an alternative of returning Chameria in our motherland Albania.
Thank you....really!
By all means....

lol
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Pyrrhus is a Greek name?! AHAHAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA AAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA .OH...
Very good! Then you must explain to everybody in this forum: what does Pyrrhus mean using greek language! Be carefull! Explain it using the evolution rules of greek phonetice!
He was the Greek King of the Molossian tribe.

Borza, Eugene N.(1992). In the Shadow of Olympus: the Emergence of Macedon (Revised Edition). Princeton, New Jersey: Princeton University Press. "Speakers of these various Greek dialects settled different parts of Greece at different times during the Middle Bronze Age, with one group, the 'northwest' Greeks, developing their own dialect and peopling central Epirus. This was the origin of the Molossian or Epirotic tribes." "[...]a proper dialect of Greek, like the dialects spoken by Dorians and Molossians." "The western mountains were peopled by the Molossians (the western Greeks of Epirus)."

I know you think Epirus is Albanian, but you're wrong.

Pyrrhos: From the Greek name &#928;&#965;&#961; &#961;&#959;&#962; (Pyrros) which meant "flame-coloured, red", related to &#960;&#965;&#961; (pyr) "fire"
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Even it was possible; all the greek community can hardly collect 15000 people including children and elderly.
They would be defeated by us only using the slaps. Imagine 3,3 million slaps for at most 15.000 poor runts. Dream on!!
Dude, Greeks will dance circles around you. I bet the Greek minority in Albania has more cash than the rest of the population. And if the government lays a finger on the minority they will lose the region. Why do you think your leaders shit themselves when it comes to the Greeks that live in their country? Greeks have been there since the beginning.

I'm trying to discuss but you're being a rude little twat.
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<quoted text>then the same solution will be available for Albanians,Macedonians,Turks living in Greece,too!
be careful what you wish for?
What did I wish for again? The Greek minority asked for language rights which I support and I also support doing a full census in Albania.

Everyone already knows the situation in Greece. That being a nice, stable one. There is no Macedonian minority. Just proud Macedonian Greeks numbering around 2.5 million! Turks are bound by a treaty, they cannot do a thing and half the Albanian immigrants are illegal and the legal half send their children to Greek schools to learn the Greek language and they enjoy the quality of life.

Soon you won't be able to tell the difference between a Greek and Albanian in Greece as they will gradually get better jobs and better lives. They're being Hellenized, get over it. The Albanian government is trying to do the same to the Greeks in Albania.

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Geo,

You are the most arrogant mother f**ker ever. You come to an Albanian forum "picking" and "choosing" the facts, yet some how you try to pass them as truths!
Facts;
Cham-Albanians consist of around 1.5-2 million people.
Arvanitas- Albanians that have somewhat assimilated to Greeks. Number is unknown because of the assimilation.
Migrant Albanians(legal and illegal) from 1991-1999 around 450,000.
Greeks in Albania- around %6-9 of total population. So at its highest Albania might have around 300,000 Greeks living inside its borders.

Here is a question for you?! Greece is a country of 11.2million people it has an Albanian minority of no less than 3 million people (if we factor the Arvanitas). Why %26.78 of Albanians in Greece are being asked to forget about everything and assimilate to Greek society? From this huge number %13.00 still call themselves Albanian and do not want assimilation (arvanitas being under a much higher scrutiny are not included in the 13percent), why is this ok? Why is the Greek government not giving them this, but you ask for 220.000-300.000 Greeks living in Albania to get it?
I can't f**king believe the Albanian government is even considering this bullsh*t!
F**k you, and f**k your brothers living in Albania! When the Huge minority of Albanians living in Greece get their language as a nationally recognized secondary language there should be no recognition of the Greeks living in Albania let alone their dirty-sh*t sound language!
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Letstalk, if you want to do what your nickname says then let's do it. But if you're going to act like a little schoolboy that just came out of a demographics class in Albania then I don't care to talk to you.

As for your "facts" you can shove them where the sun don't shine because I don't and won't believe them because they are simply lies. It is accepted by EVERYONE that the extent of the immigrants is around the 1 million number. 10% which is I guess more like 1.1 million immigrants. That's including the Muslims, Cypriots, Albanians, Americans, British...etc

You're far too emotional to discuss about this issue. The Chams of that day made the wrong move and payed a price for it. It's not the same deal as the Natives of America.
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LetstalkBS wrote:
Geo,
You are the most arrogant mother f**ker ever. You come to an Albanian forum "picking" and "choosing" the facts, yet some how you try to pass them as truths!
Facts;
Cham-Albanians consist of around 1.5-2 million people.
Arvanitas- Albanians that have somewhat assimilated to Greeks. Number is unknown because of the assimilation.
Migrant Albanians(legal and illegal) from 1991-1999 around 450,000.
Greeks in Albania- around %6-9 of total population. So at its highest Albania might have around 300,000 Greeks living inside its borders.
Here is a question for you?! Greece is a country of 11.2million people it has an Albanian minority of no less than 3 million people (if we factor the Arvanitas). Why %26.78 of Albanians in Greece are being asked to forget about everything and assimilate to Greek society? From this huge number %13.00 still call themselves Albanian and do not want assimilation (arvanitas being under a much higher scrutiny are not included in the 13percent), why is this ok? Why is the Greek government not giving them this, but you ask for 220.000-300.000 Greeks living in Albania to get it?
I can't f**king believe the Albanian government is even considering this bullsh*t!
F**k you, and f**k your brothers living in Albania! When the Huge minority of Albanians living in Greece get their language as a nationally recognized secondary language there should be no recognition of the Greeks living in Albania let alone their dirty-sh*t sound language!
Where did you find the numbers you are using? Those numbers are completely untrue!
Moreover seems to me you are completely unintelligent. Is it the same people live in their land for centuries like Greeks in Albania and Albanians economic emigrants in Greece? Are you so stupid after all? Could you claim "nationally recognized secondary language" for people living five to one village ten to another and so on? Get serious if you are able to!
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Geo wrote:
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Dude, Greeks will dance circles around you. I bet the Greek minority in Albania has more cash than the rest of the population. And if the government lays a finger on the minority they will lose the region. Why do you think your leaders shit themselves when it comes to the Greeks that live in their country? Greeks have been there since the beginning.
I'm trying to discuss but you're being a rude little twat.
It'slike spending time in wind, talking with you greeks about the truths.
1.That Epirus and Pyrrhus = Burri - Man were not greeks, this is clear confirmed by your greek ancient historians: Herodotus, Ptolemeus, and the geograph Strabonis. Do you think they lied?!
According to Strabonis: entering into the Ambrakia biscay, everybody has in fron of two polulations, on your left there are the barbarian(means not greeks) Epirots and on your right there are the arkanians part of greeks. According to Ptolemeus the official correspondence with greek cities were in greek language. This can never confirm that the population used to speak that language.
According to official Ottoman register of population; the registration of population of that region from Vlora to Igumenice shows us only Albanian names such as: Pal-not Pavllo, Gjon-not Jani or Joanis, Gjin, Gjoke, Gjike ect. This register include also the small region of Dropull when there are some small poor villages of greek farmers now. This goes without saying that some 100 greek population came (or were invited doesn't matter) in that region during the time of Ali Pashe Tepelene reign.
Even the metamorphosis of the name Dropull has came nowadays according to the albanian language. It comes from the ancient city Adrianopolis. According to the rules of greek language it should be named Dhropolis, or Dhropollos, or everything else except Dropull. Your accent has not the consonant D. You use to pronounce it as Dh.
As conclusion; the greek farmers that came during the 19-th century found the name Dropull.
I personally used to study only the ancient historians, because they didn't have reason to lie. Nowadays your magalidea makes you blind.
It's nonsense to rephere to different websites. Everybody can create an website full of bullsh*ts.
It's never late to learn!!!
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pyrrhus wrote:
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It'slike spending time in wind, talking with you greeks about the truths.
1.That Epirus and Pyrrhus = Burri - Man were not greeks, this is clear confirmed by your greek ancient historians: Herodotus, Ptolemeus, and the geograph Strabonis. Do you think they lied?!
According to Strabonis: entering into the Ambrakia biscay, everybody has in fron of two polulations, on your left there are the barbarian(means not greeks) Epirots and on your right there are the arkanians part of greeks. According to Ptolemeus the official correspondence with greek cities were in greek language. This can never confirm that the population used to speak that language.
According to official Ottoman register of population; the registration of population of that region from Vlora to Igumenice shows us only Albanian names such as: Pal-not Pavllo, Gjon-not Jani or Joanis, Gjin, Gjoke, Gjike ect. This register include also the small region of Dropull when there are some small poor villages of greek farmers now. This goes without saying that some 100 greek population came (or were invited doesn't matter) in that region during the time of Ali Pashe Tepelene reign.
Even the metamorphosis of the name Dropull has came nowadays according to the albanian language. It comes from the ancient city Adrianopolis. According to the rules of greek language it should be named Dhropolis, or Dhropollos, or everything else except Dropull. Your accent has not the consonant D. You use to pronounce it as Dh.
As conclusion; the greek farmers that came during the 19-th century found the name Dropull.
I personally used to study only the ancient historians, because they didn't have reason to lie. Nowadays your magalidea makes you blind.
It's nonsense to rephere to different websites. Everybody can create an website full of bullsh*ts.
It's never late to learn!!!
Nice try but you must try harder. "I personally used to study only the ancient historians, because they didn't have reason to lie". Seems to me that either you don't read at all or you understand what you want to.
If you did read ancinet history you would be informed, at least, Dodoni's I Oracle. That one is mentioned from Herodotus, Homer and Aristotle "because there inhabited by Hellines". If you study you would know that have been found coins from 3th century BC in Greek languange having Zeus on both sides. You would also know that have been also found cupreous Eagle also pictures Zeus of 5th century BC.
If you read you would know that from worship of "holy oak" oak=velanidia in Greek, comes many local's land names (Elloi, Selloi, Elopia etc). Moreover the name Thesprotia is purely Greek as the prefix "Thes" is used widely in Iliad and Odyssey.
As you understand i will not allow to myself to respond about "Greek farmers" and other funny "arguments" you use.
I would suggest you to be more carefull and quit any effort to turn black to white.
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Nice try but you must try harder. "I personally used to study only the ancient historians, because they didn't have reason to lie". Seems to me that either you don't read at all or you understand what you want to.
If you did read ancinet history you would be informed, at least, Dodoni's I Oracle. That one is mentioned from Herodotus, Homer and Aristotle "because there inhabited by Hellines". If you study you would know that have been found coins from 3th century BC in Greek languange having Zeus on both sides. You would also know that have been also found cupreous Eagle also pictures Zeus of 5th century BC.
If you read you would know that from worship of "holy oak" oak=velanidia in Greek, comes many local's land names (Elloi, Selloi, Elopia etc). Moreover the name Thesprotia is purely Greek as the prefix "Thes" is used widely in Iliad and Odyssey.
As you understand i will not allow to myself to respond about "Greek farmers" and other funny "arguments" you use.
I would suggest you to be more carefull and quit any effort to turn black to white.
Even your language is a bastard branch of albanian, only adding os, os...
Then tell us why suddenly in meedle age you gayreeks chenged the morphology of your language in that process so called; old grekk to new greek?!
All the names of let's say your mithology can be explain only by albanian language: Homer, Agamemnon,Achilis, Priam, Ajax, Zeus, Apollon, Athina, Alexandros Odysseys, ect ect. It's not my hypothesis. Other different historians ethimologists, ethnologists, have this conclusion.
Pyrrhus = piros = byrros = burri = Man!!!!!!!
Your bastarded phonethic rules have let's say tried to change the main close meaning of this famous albanian name adding as always that fu*&ing suffix; os.
But unfortunately for you some toponimes have saved fro this "great" change. I'v been in Thessalonica and to my surprise the main blvd of that city is named; odhos Egnatia!!! Hehehehe.
In albanian is udhe = road or way. It's nice to to see the methamorphosis "udhe" to "odhos". Nice eee??!! Your old greek language is strangely 30% similar with our dialect of the north (north of Albania & Kosovo)!!!!!!
As for what you told us about Dodona and Dorians, please tell us if Homer used to pronounce the word GREEKS at least even one time in Iliada and Odysseys!!!!!
Dorians and Akays were pelazgian tribues not greeks. It quite clear that you greeks came in balcans AFTER the Troyan war!!!
It's really the truth of what some friends that live in Greece told me sometime ago: you gayreeks are really ignorants and hystherics! Of corse infected by your black colour priests.
By way not to forget: pyrrhus - piros = flame seems even not logic!!!!

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