Is Scotland an anti Irish country or ...

Is Scotland an anti Irish country or simply an anti Catholic country

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Ireland

#1 Mar 9, 2008
It is my belief that it is more of an anti Irish Country than an Anti Catholic country. Take it from me having been attacked because of my accent on a fair few occasions in Glasgow there is a strong anti Irish setiment in Glasgow. I think these people have nothing in their lives bar hatred it really is that sad for some people. To be fair there are a huge amount of rangers fans that have nothing against the Irish however there is a sizable minority who are out and out bigots who hate the Irish. As I have stated I have been attacked because people heard my voice in Glasgow and automatically assume ( quite correctly it has to be said) that I am a celtic supporter. I would be very interested to hear old firm fans respond to this I would greatly appreciate objectivity in their posts.
john the dublin tim

Ireland

#2 Mar 15, 2008
anti Irish country in my opinion and I have lived there so I should have a decent insight into the mentality of scots I lived in a place just outside Glasgow and I have had alot of how shall I put it unfriendly comments directed at me because I,m Irish.
Benny

Southport, UK

#3 Mar 25, 2008
Its sad when in this day and age people are attacked because of their nationality. I have to agree that their are alot of scots that are racist. Everyone knows of the anti english feeling among the Scots but Scots can also be anti coloured people and anti asian people(in particular Pakistani people) i have honestly never came across many Scots that are anti Irish but if you have both had bad experiences then i take your word for it. There used to be a slogan Glasgows Miles better but that is clearly not the case as there seems to be more and more incidents where people are attacked or abused just because of their skin colour or nationality. Any feelings like that have no place in any country and i feel we all dont do enough to get rid of this problem. I ca only hope that through time people will become more tolerant and that any feelings of hatred can be educated out of people
ONE AND COUNTING

Dublin, Ireland

#4 Mar 26, 2008
I,m certainly not trying to claim any moral high ground as a celtic fan because rangers fans have been attacked because they had the audacity to support rangers however you are right there is a racist element amongst a minority of scottish people (celtic fans included) I frequently use Glasgow Prestwick Airport when traveling to Scotland and in that Airport there are plenty of slogans saying "Scotland the best small country in the World" and I admittedly have not seen much of scotland outside of glasgow and the surrounding areas however I,m struggling to believe the slogan. Yes you are most certainly correct there is a strong anti English feeling among Scottish people particularly amongst Celtic fans which is wrong I can guarantee if you took a pool of opinion from celtic fans re Chris Sutton and Alan Thompson they would say how greatly they appreciate their efforts in the hoops. Perhaps ( I could be wrong here by the way geography wise)the reason why you may not have noticed an anti Irish feeling is because you are from Linlithgow which to my knowledge is much closer to Edinburgh than Glasgow and thus the bigoted rangers fans would be less likely to be found in and around the Edinburgh area than in and around the Glasgow area I personally believe the strongest anti Irish sentiment is found in the West of Scotland. Dont get me wrong I,m not saying the anti Irish sentiment is exclussively related to bigoted Rangers fans but it would historically be more associated with bigoted rangers fans than any other team I mean the Ironic thing from my viewpoint is that traditionally the Irish and the Scottish have always got on very well as I have stated it is the minority. I know for 100 percent fact that the vast majority of my mates view the scottish people as extremely friendly hospitable Party loving people similar to the Irish.
Rixster

Glasgow, UK

#5 Apr 1, 2008
I am not a Rangers fan, but I live in Glasgow and am a passionate Scotland fan.

I think what pisses a lot of people off, including myself is not actual bona fide Irish people but People who are born in Scotland, whose parents are Scottish, even whose grandparents are Scottish, yet they claim to be Irish and even support them ahead of the country they are from.

It does piss you off, Celtic have a massive support and are an amazing club, yet I have never seen a Saltire at any of their games, and the percentage of the support at the Scotland games who are Celtic fans is extremely low.

Now, as an Aberdeen fan, I dont like Rangers before I am accused of being a Rangers fan and I understand their is an element of their support who would rather wave a red hand of ulster, or a st georges cross, or a union jack and that pisses me off as well, but at least their is decent percentage of their support who support Scotland.

Celtic fans go on about a free Ireland, thats very well and good, but a lot of them have not been Irish for generations, what about a free Scotland, no chance most of them vote Labour
ONE AND COUNTING

Dublin, Ireland

#6 Apr 2, 2008
Very valid points however a few things which you may not be aware of is that Celtic fans (Scottish Celtic Fans)( I,m Irish but I go to Glasgow about 15 - 20 times a season to see Celtic and have many friends in glasgow) love their club more than their country they love celtic more than Scotland or Ireland same as myself I love Celtic more than Ireland, also a lot of celtic fans feel that there players are verbally abused from the traditional Rangers end of Hampden when Scotland play there (When playing for Scotland obviously) and I can tell you from watching celtic tv Bertie Auld who signed for Celtic 3 times (only player in the history of our great club to have done so) who is a protestant has stated that Celtic players get a lot of stick at Scotland matches he also states the reason why Jimmy Johnstone (argueably the most talented player in the history of scottish football)received less than 30 caps is because he was a celtic player Is it any wonder then that alot of Celtic fans dont support Scotland? The other thing you stated what pisses people off is the fact some Scottish people of Irish descent claiming to be Irish well thats a valid point but remember if you parents or grand parents or great grand parents were subjected to severe racism when they arrived over in Scotland why then would you feel an affinity with the country of your birth? I think my friend you need to look at it from a celtic fans point of view and then you may be less pissed off as you put it.
Rixster

Glasgow, UK

#7 Apr 2, 2008
Well to be honest I think its pretty sad that someone would support their club over their country.
I would walk over broken glass to represent my country.

As for severe racism in Scotland, your right its pretty sad and something I would never condone but its in the past and we cant do anything about it now.
The fact is we dont live in a perfect world and if a large group of people move to another country then the sad fact is the inhabitants of that country who by the way were,(apart from a select few) living way below the poverty line then they are gonna view these people as taking their jobs, houses etc.

Their were I admit many problems when a lot of Irish people came to Scotland but they were not exactly driven out and were on the whole grudgingly accepted.
I am pretty certain if a large amount of Scottish people had moved to Ireland at that time, the situation and the feelings would have been the same.

As for Celtic players being booed at Hampden, I dont doubt it happened, but the fact is now the majority of the support is made up of Aberdeen, Hibs, Hearts and the two Dundee clubs and any games I go to their is no booing of Celtic players.
What I do recall is Celtic fans going to a Scotland game and booing Scotland because their player Jackie Dziekanowski was playing for Poland that day.

The fact remains most Catholics in Scotland, do not want to and never will support Scotland which raises the questions amongst other Scots who do.

If Ireland is so great, and there is no famine any more then go and live there and leave Scotland to the people who want to be Scottish.
ONE AND COUNTING

Dublin, Ireland

#8 Apr 4, 2008
Celtic represent a culture thats why people are so passionate about them.They are more than just a team they have a phenomenal history to survive the racism and for the club to grow into one of the best supported teams in the world is truly a fantastic achievement. To be honest and objective I can understand why so many people are very annoyed that so many celtic fans support Ireland over scotland but what about rangers fans who support England and lets be honest Rangers fans have absolutely no historical reason to support england yet some of their fans do whereas at least celtic fans do have an historical reason. Why dont non old firm fans go on about Rangers fans supporting England over Scotland? Your opinions on racism are deeply flawed its pretty easy and convenient to say native scots have a reason to be racist against the Irish because when the Irish came over they took houses low paid jobs and social welfare benefits, If the Irish did not come over to scotland these people would still take their frustrations out on something or someone else racism is just a tool for people to vent their anger and their frustrations with Life as I say its easy and convenient to blame the Irish or the people from Pakistan for people,s own personal problems, as the Irish settled in the West of Scotland why then have people outwith the West of Scotland any reason to discriminate and display racists attitude,s towards the Irish?
Rixster

Glasgow, UK

#9 Apr 4, 2008
Celtic represent a culture?, eh, they are a football team not a cause nor a religion.
As for Rangers fans supporting England, yes it pisses me off big time, the situation is improving with them however and you at least see some saltires at Rangers games, and the majority of them support Scotland over England although they're are a brainless few who dont.
Of course my reasons on racism are flawed, people who are racist are flawed, I abhor racism but I understand why people are not as open minded as myself are racist.
Yhe fact remains however, why do the majority of Celtic fans support a country other than the one, they, their parents and even their grandparents are born in.
And if Ireland is such a wonderful, tolerant country then why dont they go back.
one and counting

Cork, Ireland

#10 Apr 4, 2008
Yes Celtic does represent a culture. I never said they were a cause or a religion what is undeniable is that they are more than just a team. When you see someone wearing a celtic jersey one would automatically assume they have Irish blood in them at some level, one also would automatically assume that they would be baptised into the Roman Catholic faith. This assumption will not always be right but in most cases it will be correct. Its a bit like Barcelona they are more than just a team you ask any Barcelona fan and I believe every single fan would say Barcelona represent a culture, Is it any co incidence that Barcelona and Celtic fans get along so well? I think not. They can relate to each other,s history.

The reason why Celtic fans (I would imagine) dont want to leave the country of their birth is because they may live a few minutes away from Celtic Park if they moved to Ireland they would trains planes and automobiles away from parkhead ( I should know in fact no one knows better than me) that is only 1 reason but an important reason Plus alot of Glaswegians like Glasgow and alot of them love the banter with rangers fans Why should they leave Glasgow? Its the city of their birth. I put this question to you if Aberdeen (seen as you support them)were founded by an Irish Priest and only for that Priest Aberdeen would never have come into existence and also your grand parents were Irish would you not feel an affinity with that country of course you would be honest.

For the record I do believe Ireland is a tolerant country. I dont believe Irish people are nearly as racist as people from other countries ( not having a go at Scotland this is a comment about coutries in general certainly not specific to Scotland) primarily I feel the reason for this is because Irish people suffered racism in alot of countries and we as a nation dont want to be like that Its in our mentality, the other thing of course is most Irish people are Roman Catholics and whatever people say about the religion the one thing is it is a very very welcoming and embracing religion and that reflects in out attitude towards people who arent Irish who reside in Ireland. P.S. YOU ALSO SEE THE GEORGE,S CROSS AT IBROX BUT EVERY NON OLD FIRM FAN SEEMS TO FOCUS ON THE IRISH TRICOLOUR AT CELTIC PARK.
For the record also I would like to stress that there alot of scottish people who are equally as welcoming and embracing as I beleive the Irish people to be. Its just that for me there is a strong ( very very strong) anti Irish sentiment that exists in the country aswell as a strong anti Catholic sentiment by a minority of Idiots. As I have stated before I can genuinely understand why scottish people are annoyed and disappointed that so many celtic fans support Ireland indeed from my experience of these celtic fans its fair to say that they have an obsession with Ireland however it does not excuse the anti Irish sentiment that exists in the self proclaimed "BEST SMALL COUNTRY IN THE WORLD"
Rixster

Glasgow, UK

#11 Apr 5, 2008
I am absolutely amazed at the complete and utter nonsense you have just written.
Honestly and the thing that gets me is you believe it as well.
Self proclaimed "Best country in the world", does this upset the "Best fans in the world", you know the same fans who enjoy singing about their commitmnent to terrorism.
And by the way comparing Celtic to Barcelona is marvellous two clubs who couldnt be further apart.
What history do these clubs share, Barcelona is a club which is viewed by the people of that city as a means to voice their opinion of a free Catalan state.
Celtic is a football club which is based in Scotland supported by people who do not wish a free and independent Scotland.
So please tell me why are these clubs similar.
As for your ridiculous Aberdeen statement, I will try and answer it as best I can.
If my grandparents were Irish, but my mother and father were Scottish and I was born in Scotland then I would be Scottish , I would feel Scottish and I would support Scotland above any other country in the world.
I might have an affinity for Ireland if I got on well with my parents but I would definately consider myself Scottish.
I especially enjoyed your comment about Roman Catholics being a very welcoming, embracing and tolerant religion.
A mean come on surely you are having a laugh here right, no come on think about it.
Yes the Catholic church is extremely tolerant of homosexuality, and of course the church was wonderfully tolerant of the holy land , thats why they launched such peaceful crusades on the muslims.
The Catholics in France were extremely tolerant of the Hugenot Protestants so they were.
And Roman Catholics views on people like myself Athiests who dont believe in any God, because I can think for myself, well lets just say many a time I have walked past a chapel on a Sunday morning on my way to play golf and been jeered and spat on just for daring to play golf on the sabbath.
Roman Catholics are again very tolerant when it comes to schooling in Scotland as well, in the fact to go to a Roman Catholic school you have to be yep you guessed it , a Roman Catholic whereas Catholics are more than welcome in the non-denominational schools.
And then of course you have the welcoming Catholic church's views on abortion, wearing condoms and all the rest, yes you are right its a wonderfully welcoming religion, not in the least bit backward and outdated.
The fact is Scottish people who are the true Scottish people ie the people who consider themselves to be Scottish are as welcoming and as tolerant as any other country or race.
Yes, you are right you do get St George's flags at Ibrox, it is annoying and pisses me off.
However the St George's Cross is the flag of England, England is a part of Britain, unfortunately at the moment so is Scotland so their is more relevance to a St George's cross than their is to the tricolour, seen as how Ireland is not in Britain.
My family can be traced back to Sweden in the 1500's does that mean I would take a Swedish flag to an Aberdeen game.
Scotland also fought in the war alongside the English, whereas the cowardly Irish decided to remain neutral and as much as I cannot stand the English football team and media I would certainly trust an Englishman ahead of an Irishman.
The fact still remains, the Irish potato famine was in 1845, the year is now 2008.
If you find Scottish people intolerant and racsist, then why not go back to this wonderful Emerald Isle.
Scotland on the whole as been very accomadating of what was an incredible number of Irish immigrants , I believe at the time it was 50000 a year, which for a small, poor country as Scotland was at this time an incredible strain on the country.
But here we are 150 years late, there has not been any violent attacks on the whole against "IRISH" people and catholics, they have their own schools, the biggest football club in the country, chapels everywhere and equal rights with every other citizen in the country.
one and counting

Cork, Ireland

#12 Apr 5, 2008
That was some rant and again deeply deeply flawed and / or simply inaccurare for example the Catholic Church against people being Homosexual that is absolute nonsense also I can feel your (to put it mildly) anti Irishness in your rant.

Again you talk about Catholics going to Catholic schools well if they go to non demoninational schools and support celtic they would get bullied if you believe otherwise then you are naive in the extreme particularly in glasgow. I really am struggling to believe you can be so naive I actually believe you are not that naive you are simply putting forward an arguement that seem to make your views valid. As for people of the Catholic faith viewing Athiests with anything other than pity then my friend you are seriously mistaken. That is simply yet another inaccurate comment.

As for IRELAND REMAINING NEUTRAL IN THE WAR THAT WAS THE BEST THING WE EVER DID WHY SHOULD IRELAND COMPROMISE ITS NEUTRALITY ALMOST 100 PERCENT OF IRISH PEOPLE WOULD BE OF THIS VIEW. YOU ARE DISPLAYING IGNORANCE YET AGAIN BY CALLING US COWARDS YOU REALLY ARE AN IDIOT. As for the Catholics views on Abortion yes I agree wholeheartedly I mean if a girl got raped (heaven forbid) I believe they should be allowed have an abortion under any other circumstancs I believe they should have the child its not the childs fault if it is an unwanted pregnancy I mean why not have the child and put it up for adoption. As for playing Golf on a sunday the Catholic Church would actively encourage that on a "Rest" day so I can only assume you have deeply flawed beliefs in relation to the Catholic Church,s attitude towards sport in general or Golf in Particular.

As far as your rant goes that you would trust an Englishman before an Irishman I will put that down to simply an example of an anti Irish rant, being an Aberdeen fan you probably hate celtic (most of their fans do)and hate the fact that Celtic fans have an affinity to Ireland so therefore its safe to assume you have a slight dislike of Irish people (probably at a subconscious level).

"Scotland on the whole has been very accomodating of what was an incredible number of Irish immigrants" What an incredibly inaccurate comment let me tell you from reading my history After the famine the Irish went in their droves to countries all over the world and where they suffered the worst discrimination was in Scotland Fact.

BY THE WAY DUBLIN WAS RECENTLY VOTED THE FRIENDLIEST CITY IN EUROPE THE CITY OF MY BIRTH FACT IF YOU DONT BELIEVE ME THEN GOOGLE IT
Rixster

Glasgow, UK

#13 Apr 6, 2008
Whoopdie doo, Dublin was voted the friendliest, who voted I didnt and was never asked, do you want a medal for that?

The Catholic church is against homosexuality - FACT

And the Catholic church view people like me(Athiests) with pity, that is hilarious imagine being able to think for myself.

I view the Catholic church and all other religions with disdain, for the simple fact this God you all supposedly worship must be pretty vain if he requires people to go to a building and pray for him.

Why should Ireland remain neutral during the war?
The fact is Scots,English and Welsh died protecting Great Britain during the war, if the Nazis had invaded Britain sucessfully, where do you think they would have went next - Thats right Ireland and with you lot being pussies they could have just marched right in.
Germany did not give a toss about who was neutral, Belgium was neutral , they still invaded it.

So Its a fact the cowardly Southern Irish have a hell of a lot to thank the Scots,English,Welsh, & Northern Irish for.

I do hate Celtic, you are right but if you actually knew anything about Scotland you would know that Aberdeen hate Rangers more.

Again, I ask the question you dont seem to be able to answer.

If the racism and treatment in Scotland towards Irish people or people of Irish descent is so bad.
Why the fuck are they still here?, there is no faimine any more, or maybe their treatment has not been that bad and they are just indulging in a bit of what they are well known for - Whining
one and counting

Cork, Ireland

#14 Apr 6, 2008
Again some rant I can feel your anti Irishness are you a racist is disguise? or are you simply a racist?
Yes I am aware that rangers and Aberdeen hate each other however it is interesting that you say you hate Celtic but you dont say "YOU" hate rangers you just say that Aberdeen fans hate rangers more that does not necessarily include you.

The Catholic Church is not against Homosexuality absolute fact.

Because Ireland remained neutral they were less likely to be invaded, seen as you are ignorant of the history of my country let me enlighten you in the 16th century my country was the victim of plantations Irish people were put off their land ( yes thats right their own land ) and were repaced by British landlords these British landlords came over to Irleand and took over land that was not theirs, All over Ireland ultimately these plantations failed however they were a success in Ulster thats why all the problems that have occured in the North of Ireland have been as a result of the plantations so why the F*CK would we support Britain in the War you f*cking idiot when our country was invaded by them in the first place?
One thing that consistenly annoys me is debating with people that havent got a clue what the f*ck they are talking about.

The reason why you are viewed with pity is not because ou are not a Catholic its because you believe in f*ck all ( of you also believe in Aberdeen which also deserves a wee bit of pity.)

The reason why the Celtic fans dont leave is because there parents, grand parents, great grandparents survived the worst of the racism yes its not as bad as it was back when the Irish first arrived but its still pretty bad. The Celtic fans have accepted that they live in a racist country however why should they leave when their parents, grandparents survived worse racism? What would be the point of their parents, grandparents etc surviving it and they decide to leave? it does not make sense if they did leave the efforts of their parents, grandparents etc to survive and make a life for themselves would have ultimately be in vain. Celtic fans are rightly prod of the fact that no matter what has been thrown at their relations in bygone years they somehow stood up to it and survived and prospered there is no way their efforts are going to be in vain.

I dont really see a need for you to reply because quite simply you are ignorant to the history of my country you have seriously proved that by questioning why we did not support Britain in the war. you are also seriously ignorant to the mentality of celtic fans they have a survival mentality quite simply they have had to.

Seriously mate do yourself and stop proving how ignorant you are.

You my friend are a sad little individual who needs a reality check. The best small country in the world you are seriously having a laugh.
ONE AND COUNTING

Dublin, Ireland

#16 Apr 8, 2008
I feel sorry for you. I have shown you up to be an ignorant bigoted racist individual The reply you have just issued is an extremely poor response. Ireland would not defend Britain as I outlined because of the 16th century plantations you ignorant dick. " My potato picking friend " how racist is that? I,m sorry but seriously you would be better off not posting on this site as you show up your beloved country in a very negative light and the funny thing is you have not got the Brains to see that. Anyone that has the misfortune to read your previous Article can only come to one conclusion no matter how much you try to prvide proof you are not a racist you simply fail. You probably have never been to Ireland yet you call it a shitehole. How sad is that?, and even if you have you could not possibly come to that conclusion as it is a very beautiful country. The reason I suspect you have posted your previous thread is because you know you are beaten ( It really is Pathetic ) you are a racist and your country is extremely racist by nature. As I said for Scotlands sake please dont post anymore comments as apart from the fact that you lack intelligence ( which is obvious ) you are portraying your country is a terrible light. The best small country in the World should read One of the most racist countries in thwe world. Seriously mate do yourself a favour and stop posting.
Rixster

Glasgow, UK

#18 Apr 8, 2008
http://www.dcu.ie/alumni/summer02/p8.html

I suggest you read this, thats if you can actually read.

“Jacob's Sookie”

Since: Nov 07

Hamilton,Va SOBX

#20 Apr 8, 2008
ONE AND COUNTING wrote:
I,m certainly not trying to claim any moral high ground as a celtic fan because rangers fans have been attacked because they had the audacity to support rangers however you are right there is a racist element amongst a minority of scottish people (celtic fans included) I frequently use Glasgow Prestwick Airport when traveling to Scotland and in that Airport there are plenty of slogans saying "Scotland the best small country in the World" and I admittedly have not seen much of scotland outside of glasgow and the surrounding areas however I,m struggling to believe the slogan. Yes you are most certainly correct there is a strong anti English feeling among Scottish people particularly amongst Celtic fans which is wrong I can guarantee if you took a pool of opinion from celtic fans re Chris Sutton and Alan Thompson they would say how greatly they appreciate their efforts in the hoops. Perhaps ( I could be wrong here by the way geography wise)the reason why you may not have noticed an anti Irish feeling is because you are from Linlithgow which to my knowledge is much closer to Edinburgh than Glasgow and thus the bigoted rangers fans would be less likely to be found in and around the Edinburgh area than in and around the Glasgow area I personally believe the strongest anti Irish sentiment is found in the West of Scotland. Dont get me wrong I,m not saying the anti Irish sentiment is exclussively related to bigoted Rangers fans but it would historically be more associated with bigoted rangers fans than any other team I mean the Ironic thing from my viewpoint is that traditionally the Irish and the Scottish have always got on very well as I have stated it is the minority. I know for 100 percent fact that the vast majority of my mates view the scottish people as extremely friendly hospitable Party loving people similar to the Irish.
As an American from Blue Blood stock right out of the clutches of time. Here is some HISTORY you may have forgotten about yourselves:
848AD the Scots gained control, exterminating vast numbers of PICS and setting up their own King, Kenneth MacAlpin, on the throne of Scotland.

“Jacob's Sookie”

Since: Nov 07

Hamilton,Va SOBX

#21 Apr 8, 2008
# 2

Making a LONG history lesson, shortened in some major degreess 848AD
During this time, it appears the general term CELT comprised of Cymry,Gael or Gaul,Belgae,British Isles, and parts of SPAIN<FRANCE,WALES<,Isle of Man, Cornnwall.

You people of great heritage, do you NOT KNOW your Kingdom is of the seed of DAVID?
Why fight among your brethren? You are all in part, my family as well. Had it not been for the Mohawk blood, we would all be Blue Bloods, right?
As you can see my Gaelic Heritage is important to me, keep yours thriving. We will always have wars, fighting...until the END.
one and counting

Cork, Ireland

#22 Apr 8, 2008
Rixster are you still posting? I thought I showed you up as being a horrible racist that you are you are certainly anti Irish in the extreme.

For a start that article is 6 years old so how valid is it in with comparision to attitudes of today. Answer It simply cant be a valid article in relation to today. it is interesting to note that the pro racist parties done poorly in that election by the way ( as per your outdated article) how sad are you searching the internet for an article that appeared 6 yes that 6 years ago or actually lets be honest I doubt you actually knew it was an article that is 6 years old so basically you continually embaress yourself. Seriously do yourself a favour and stop posting you are an embaressment to yourself and your country. Maybe its because you are an Aberdeen fan I dont know but whatever the reason you are a bitter twisted sad racist individal I,m actually gob smacked that you can be so stupid in not seeing that the article is 6 years old.

Scotland England Wales and the North of Ireland united against the Nazi,s (allegedly) Ireland and the majority of the rest of the World United against British imperialism. I think I win again Rixster. Give up yo clown.

“Jacob's Sookie”

Since: Nov 07

Hamilton,Va SOBX

#24 Apr 8, 2008
Rixster wrote:
I was also wondering if the Irish travellers are still treated like second class citizens in your wonderful country?
Get your own house in order before you critisise ours.
Scotland - England - Wales & Northen Ireland - United against the Nazis
Ireland - Well em
I agree with you Rixster. Except for being an atheist.

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