Why Rangers "fans" hate the Irish...

Why Rangers "fans" hate the Irish...

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Big Jock

UK

#1 Oct 3, 2007
Why do Rangers fans hate (or is it fear?) all things Irish? They should in fact be extremely grateful to the Irish – let’s face it THEY have much more reason to apologise to their cousins across the Irish Sea. Lets look at the facts;

Exhibit a) The Irish gave you a name for your country – Alba. You call it Scotland as per your Sassenach bedfellows. Which sounds better?
Verdict – You’ve made an arse out of that one.

Exhibit b) The term ‘Scots’ actually refers to the Irish – the Romans gave them the name Scotus. Why do you lot call yourself Scots?
Verdict – you’ve made an arse of this too.

Exhibit c) The Irish gave you your language – Gaelic.
Verdict – A dead language in Scotland which you call ‘Gaa-lick’. You’ve made an arse of this completely.

Exhibit d) The Irish gave you your oldest team game – Shinty – a corruption of hurling.
Verdict – Nothing like the original – you’ve made an arse of it.

Exhibit e) Ireland gave you your oldest folklore and legends – such as those of Cu Chullainn and the Red Branch Knights.
Verdict – He was born in Ireland and not, as Scots claim, on the Isle of Skye for starters - made an arse of these old stories too.

Exhibit f) Ireland gave you your Celtic sense of identity as an independent race never to be subdued by another (Remember William Wallace?)
Verdict - The 1707 act of union helped – you’ve guessed it – make an arse of this too, for all your Brave heart rhetoric.

Exhibit g) Brave Christian missionaries such as Ninian and Columba (Colm Cille) brought Christianity to your pagan ancestors in the 6th Century
Verdict - John Knox et al talked you all into making an arse of that as well in the 16th century

Exhibit h) The kilt was brought to Scotland from Ireland.
Verdict - Today’s kilts are nothing like the original. Arsed up completely.

Exhibit i) Whiskey was first distilled in Ireland before the Scots caught on.
Verdict – Arsed up and you can’t even spell it properly.

Hmmm! I’m beginning to see where the dislike is coming from. You’ve tried to copy the original (and the best) and come up short every time! You really are a sad lot! At least Celtic supporters have some cop on!
Paolo

Walsall, UK

#2 Nov 1, 2007
Hmm, strange anti Scottish rant.

BYW Scots doesn't mean Irish. The Scots were a distinct 'celtic' tribe that migrated to Argyle in Scotland from the north of Ireland.

And how did ireland give scotland their sense of independence? I can't even begin to see where your coming from with that one.

The first WRITTEN RECORD of Whiskey production was in Ireland, but it is entirely unknown where the actual process began,it is just as likely to have been in Scotland. The origin of the kilt is just as ambiguous and is just as likely to have originated in Scotland, Ireland or both.

As for Alba. It is a Scots Gaelic word and an Irish Gaelic word, both being of the same CELTIC family of languages. One does not derive from the other. And BTW, the word Alba ultimately derives from the latin 'alba' meaning white, in reference to the white cliffs of Dover... so it was a name used to refer to Britain. The decent Celtic fans must cringe at morons like yourself.

Don't know much about the other points, but they are probably rubbish as well if these are anything to go by.

Signed:
A Rangers fan, not sad and definitely not as stupid as you.
man utd loyal

Brighton, UK

#3 Nov 2, 2007
just a hunch but could be something to do with the slaughter of thousands protestants and their support for nazi germany during the war. as i said just a hunch
Seeker

UK

#5 Nov 9, 2007
man utd loyal wrote:
just a hunch but could be something to do with the slaughter of thousands protestants and their support for nazi germany during the war. as i said just a hunch
When where these Protestants 'slaughtered'? Do you know about the plantation of Ireland? Who slaughtered who? Why is Oliver Cromwell a figure of hate in Ireland to this day? Why was Catholic emancipation necessary in 1829?
It was even the nefarious actions of protestants (RUC/UDR/UVF/UDA) who turned the peaceful civil rights protests in Northern Ireland into 30 years of the Troubles.
How can you continue to peddle this drivel about Eire's support for Nazi Germany during the Second World War. Only the most bigoted and mindless moron actually believes that this happened. Where is your proof? Why did Britain not invade Eire if this was the case? Where did Eire get all the fuel? The truth is that Eire helped the Allies as much as she could without infringing upon her own neutrality. The Donegal air corridor, for example, which led to dozens of U-boats being sunk. Repatriation for allied airmen downed in Eire but imprisonment for Nazi airmen for the duration of the war. Weather reports from the Dingle peninsular which allowed many allied operations to proceed - including D-Day! The seizing of radio equipment from the German embassy in Dublin in the days leading up to D-Day. I could go on but I fear it would be wasted on an Manchester supporting idiot like yourself. Hope your mum has your dinner ready where you get home.
Seeker

UK

#6 Nov 9, 2007
Paolo - you said...

"BYW Scots doesn't mean Irish. The Scots were a distinct 'celtic' tribe that migrated to Argyle in Scotland from the north of Ireland".

Did these 'Irish' people not take THEIR language to Scotland i.e. Gaelic? Which ultimately became Scots Gaelic? So rather that being from the same family of languages, it would be fair to say Scots Gaelic has its roots in Irish Gaelic?

The ties between Scotland and Ireland have been well documented for centuries. Both countries have much more in common that either do with England. Perhaps this is why it is sad to see the antipathy of some Rangers supporters to all things Irish and their love of 'Mother England'?.
Elmer

Bellshill, UK

#7 Nov 9, 2007
Rangers fans are a sorry bunch, in the main. Their entire being is consumed with hatred & they are the most reactionary element in Scottish society. "We're up to our knees in Fenian blood..." "Fuck the Pope" "No nuns and no priests and no rosary beads" "Surrender or you'll die" "No black in the Union Jack"...this is a sample of their repetoire - pretty miserable, eh? Their whole identity has been based on ascendancy and superiority and being unable to accept that they're no more superior than anyone else - their true personality (individual & collectively) comes to the fore. Sad really.
Paolo

Ballymoney, UK

#8 Nov 15, 2007
Seeker, it is sad to see the antipathy of some Celtic supporters to all things English and their love of 'Mother Ireland'?.
Less agreeable when you change a few word, isn’t it?
Contrary to popular myth (I’m sure you’ll understand all about myths having been subjected to the earlier ‘support for Nazi Germany’ crap) I, and the vast majority of Rangers fans, feel no great affinity towards England. I mingle with many Rangers fans at Ibrox. We discuss Rangers, Scotland and even Celtic. Not England, no England shirts or flags, except amongst a very small number of neds who make themselves easy to spot with their Burberry caps etc. Is this the case with Celtic fans and Ireland strips (or are they just allowed?).
I am often being accused of being ‘in love with mother England’(what a bizarre phrase, I’ve only ever heard stuff like that from Celtic fans ranting at me, never from Rangers fans). I’m not. However, people that say these things fail to tell me why, if I was, it would be a bad thing.
Apparently England is the only country nobody is allowed to like. Ireland fine, England not? THAT sounds a lot like bigotry.
Elmer, as you so succinctly explained in your most balanced and objective of posts, Rangers fans do sing these songs. We should and are making attempts to rid ourselves of this disgusting behaviour. Its been virtually eradicated from Ibrox itself. And yes, you guys did get it under control more quickly than we did. But remember, oh great sanctimonious one, your supporters sang similarly vile things up until very recently. By and large you don’t now but you did, and those same people still attend Celtic Park every second week, they just don’t sing the songs now. So you must remember that, contrary to your propaganda, you are no better than Rangers fans, except that you were slightly quicker to cut out the sectarianism.
And, by the way, an element of the Celtic supporter are still prone to…shall we say….lapses. I’ve heard reasonably recently their away support indulging in songs that you seem to believe makes a group a ‘sorry bunch’. I’ve also seen Celtic fans en mass in Chelsea behaving with a similarly nasty sectarian motive. Try wearing a Rangers strip in certain parts of town, as I have been so ill advised to do on a few occasions, then come back and tell me the Celtic support have entirely rid themselves of sectarianism.
Elmer, referring to an entire group of people as you do is discriminatory and bigoted. You are what you claim to rail against.
seeker

UK

#9 Nov 16, 2007
You seem a rational man Paolo.
I would be interested in your opinions on the origins of the bigotry between Rangers and Celtic supporters. I am in no way justifying what goes on but it appears (to me at least) that on the Gers behalf bigotry is based on purley religious and racial grounds. The early Irish migrants to Scotland were treated terribly due to being Catholics and racial discrimination was rife.(At an early meeting with Celtic Queen's park refused to get changed in dressing rooms which had been used by the dirty Irish) Are not Celtic supporters reacting to this? Has it become ingrained after so many years? Look at how young Muslims are reacting today in England after their fathers and grandfathers endured years of racial and religious abuse. Don't get me wrong - many Neanderthal Celtic Supporters are a complete embarrassment with their antics but present day Gers seem motivated soley by hatred. Look at the 'Big Jock Knew' Campaign. I've watched it on U-tube and tens of thousands of Gers at Ibrox are singing along. Tens of thousands - look for yourself. Is this not born out of naked sectarian hatred? Are they a sad lot?
Paolo

Ballymoney, UK

#10 Nov 17, 2007
Agreed. Mostly.

I think some are motivated by hatred. Some are stupid. However, I believe that both sides have identicle motivations (hatred) although possibly, as you suggest, for different reasons (as far as some misguided Gers are concerned I think Irish rather than Catholic is the main object of their hatred. Just look at the religion of some of the Gers supporters' most adored players of late).

As for naked sectarian hatred, you remind me of 'Big Jock knew'. I remind you of 'Gazza beats his wife' or 'Richard Gough, child molestor'. Or what about McCann, Amoruso, Gattuso, Porrini, Negri and others recieving death threats from Celtic fans for playing for Rangers? I'm sure you would remind me of similar threats towards Neil Lennon. ALL naked sectarian hatred. ALL.

I'm sure with any topic one could say 'ah, you are bad because ABC' and the other could counter 'yes, but remember XYZ'.

Elements of both the Celtic and Rangers support hate. Both think the other is worse. Neither is right and I get a bit pissed off with Elmer and his like who are self-righteous bigots themselves. Nobody solves a problem until they admit it exists.
Paolo

Ballymoney, UK

#11 Nov 17, 2007
And you dont get rid of predjudice and sweeping generalisations by using predjudice and sweeping generalisations!!!

(A quote from someone else but i like it!)
man utd loyal

Brighton, UK

#12 Nov 21, 2007
seeker wrote:
You seem a rational man Paolo.
I would be interested in your opinions on the origins of the bigotry between Rangers and Celtic supporters. I am in no way justifying what goes on but it appears (to me at least) that on the Gers behalf bigotry is based on purley religious and racial grounds. The early Irish migrants to Scotland were treated terribly due to being Catholics and racial discrimination was rife.(At an early meeting with Celtic Queen's park refused to get changed in dressing rooms which had been used by the dirty Irish) Are not Celtic supporters reacting to this? Has it become ingrained after so many years? Look at how young Muslims are reacting today in England after their fathers and grandfathers endured years of racial and religious abuse. Don't get me wrong - many Neanderthal Celtic Supporters are a complete embarrassment with their antics but present day Gers seem motivated soley by hatred. Look at the 'Big Jock Knew' Campaign. I've watched it on U-tube and tens of thousands of Gers at Ibrox are singing along. Tens of thousands - look for yourself. Is this not born out of naked sectarian hatred? Are they a sad lot?
didnt celtic fans sing in their thousands about richard goug, gazza beating his wife. the ibrox disaster?

they still sing about killing scottish soldiers week in week out
Seeker

UK

#13 Nov 27, 2007
man utd loyal wrote:
<quoted text>
didnt celtic fans sing in their thousands about richard goug, gazza beating his wife. the ibrox disaster?
they still sing about killing scottish soldiers week in week out
Oh silly me! Of course! Celtic have morons who sing disgusting songs so that completely justifies anything Rangers do! How could I have been so stupid not to see this before? Perhaps it's the fact I'm not twelve years old!

You exactly fit the profile of a typical Man U supporter. Stop leaving posts, you're just making yourself look stupid!(If that's possible for a Manc!)
one and counting

Cork, Ireland

#14 Dec 3, 2007
I like it seeker the man utd loyal clown makes himself look more stupid and bigoted by each and every comment he makes. I wonder did he love Roy Keane when he played for utd knowing he had an affinity with the greatest team in Scotland probably not as he is bitter and twisted. P.S.One European Cup and Counting.
irishman

Worcester, MA

#15 Dec 19, 2007
research what cromwell did to the irish!
research what margeret thatcher did to the irish!
research what signs were displayed in england when irish first arrived after mother englands "black and tans" drove irish out of their homes!
research on how the irish were slaves! research bloody sunday!!!!!! i just mentioned only 1/4 of irish suffering!!!!! now u tell me your side and i will tell u the other 3/4!!!!!!!
BIG-JOCK-KNEW

Feltham, UK

#17 Dec 24, 2007
BIG**JOCK**KNEW
Paolo

Wells, UK

#18 Dec 29, 2007
Hmm, thread hijaked by fundamentalist twats. Poor chaps, very poor.

Yes Irishman, you are a terribly oppressed people. Clearly the suffering affects you to this day and will continue to do so until your suffering is properly recognised. I suggest an 'I am Irish, I am opressed' badge, seeing as, judging by your vitriolic response to the man u eejit, you seem to be so passionate about being a victim.

No seriously though, most of Ireland seems today to have become a forward looking, progressive society having a strong relationship with the UK. Perhaps you should consider following their example.

The less said about the subsequent post the better. Seeker, you said you thought maybe Rangers fans bigotry is 'based on purley religious and racial grounds' and Celtics is just a 'reaction'. I know I've responded already and I don't want to labour the point, but PROVOS post for one would seem to contradict such a view.
so sad

UK

#19 Jan 4, 2008
rangers fans hate everyone, jews, blacks,asians,catholics,seems to me most of them(not all)find it quite easy to hate, a typical example of a ger post is a reply to a wee polish lassies comment about lee naylor( previous thread)read it as I think it gives you a insight into what a rangers fan really is, quite sad, the football authorities stop them singing the song of hatred , what do they do, come up with the big jock knew bile, seems to me they have got to get it out somehow,but as I have stated they are not all like that as I have a friend who can recall big jock at the ibrox disaster helping with the injured fans, I have no wish for the rangers fans to stop the slur because the longer it continues and more people see this, they will realise what we have been saying for years is correct
DDK

Latvia

#20 Jan 5, 2008
[quote]rangers fans hate everyone, jews, blacks,asians,catholics[/quote ]

Dunno bout British blacks (not too many in Scotland) but most Asians (Chinese, Indian and Pakistani)and Jewish people in Glasgow support Rangers.

Why?

They go to the same school as the majority of people do, non denominational state schools, whilst the majority of Celtic fans are taught in all Catholic schools.

So please think about this before calling us Rangers fans bigots, we all went to school with and many have friends who are from different racial or relgious backgrounds.
alan

Manchester, UK

#21 Jan 5, 2008
DDK wrote:
[quote]rangers fans hate everyone, jews, blacks,asians,catholics[/quote ]
Dunno bout British blacks (not too many in Scotland) but most Asians (Chinese, Indian and Pakistani)and Jewish people in Glasgow support Rangers.
Why?
They go to the same school as the majority of people do, non denominational state schools, whilst the majority of Celtic fans are taught in all Catholic schools.
So please think about this before calling us Rangers fans bigots, we all went to school with and many have friends who are from different racial or relgious backgrounds.


fucksake sombody with a bit of sence. best thing iv read so far mate :)
Paolo

Wells, UK

#22 Jan 9, 2008
so sad wrote:
rangers fans hate everyone, jews, blacks,asians,catholics,seems to me most of them(not all)find it quite easy to hate, a typical example of a ger post is a reply to a wee polish lassies comment about lee naylor( previous thread)read it as I think it gives you a insight into what a rangers fan really is, quite sad, the football authorities stop them singing the song of hatred , what do they do, come up with the big jock knew bile, seems to me they have got to get it out somehow,but as I have stated they are not all like that as I have a friend who can recall big jock at the ibrox disaster helping with the injured fans, I have no wish for the rangers fans to stop the slur because the longer it continues and more people see this, they will realise what we have been saying for years is correct
My goodness,you are impressive, almost godlike! How you managed to meet most Rangers fans is beyond me! Good effort mate.

OK, let me get this right. The post you mention is typical rangers, but the one above about the IRA is not typical Celtic? Perhaps you could tell me why this is? Perhaps it's because you are a teeny weeny little bit biased. Actually, a comment like yours is plain prejudice.

Regarding the Big Jock stuff, yeah its pretty awfull but, and I hate having to repeat myself, so was 'Richard Gough child molestor' and 'Gazza beats his wife' or the death letters to Rangers players, sent simply because of their religious beliefs. Celtic fans sang these things and sent those letters. I don't think these people represent the majority of Celtic fans, rather a small minority. I'm sure you don't either. It's only when Rangers fans do it that it represents the mojority, isn't it?!. Bigot.

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