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WOW: Hollande, Likely To Be Next French President, Proposes 75% Tax Rate On Top Earners

There are 45 comments on the Silicon Alley Insider story from Feb 28, 2012, titled WOW: Hollande, Likely To Be Next French President, Proposes 75% Tax Rate On Top Earners. In it, Silicon Alley Insider reports that:

Francois Hollande, the French presidential candidate for the Socialist Party, appears to have set out his tax plans in a prime time interview on French TV, the BBC reports : "Above 1m euros [847,000; $1.3m], the tax rate should be 75% because it's not possible to have that level of income." Those are strong words - Hollande has already spooked some ... (more)

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ronan

UK

#21 Mar 3, 2012
Tigerrlily wrote:
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Not sure de Villepin was ever a serious contender here.

The system could be different of course, but there is no need for a complot theory here
De Villepin's career was torpedoed by Sarkozy during the last presidency when he was prime Minister.
Sarkozy managed to eliminate his biggest rival in the UMP and Chirac's designated heir.
I think De Villepin would have made a better President than Sarkozy, that's my opinion. Now, he is a 'spoiler', just like Raymond Barre was at some point. He really should retire for good.

I don't know about 'complot', but chronic injustice certainly. In England, we have the expression "fair play", which doesn't translate in French. You must know that!

Anyhow, I wouldn't give much of Sarko's chances of being reelected, and I fear France is going to dive deeper in socialism and state intervention under Hollande. Bah, c'est la vie!
the examiner

Montréal, Canada

#22 Mar 5, 2012
ronan wrote:
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De Villepin's career was torpedoed by Sarkozy during the last presidency when he was prime Minister.
Sarkozy managed to eliminate his biggest rival in the UMP and Chirac's designated heir.
I think De Villepin would have made a better President than Sarkozy, that's my opinion. Now, he is a 'spoiler', just like Raymond Barre was at some point. He really should retire for good.
I don't know about 'complot', but chronic injustice certainly. In England, we have the expression "fair play", which doesn't translate in French. You must know that!
Anyhow, I wouldn't give much of Sarko's chances of being reelected, and I fear France is going to dive deeper in socialism and state intervention under Hollande. Bah, c'est la vie!
Galouzeau de Villepin was Jacques Chirac's protege. Chirac made him his foreign minister and then prime minister on his second term. Without Chirac, de Villepin is nothing much. That's why he is having trouble getting the required 500 signatures. He looks more like a mafia boss than a president of a country. Hollande looks presidential enough.
Meredi

Snohomish, WA

#23 Mar 5, 2012
I know it is outlandish to the French to suggest such a thing - Maybe the French should get some fresh blood. Their country has changed so much with joining the EU and all, seems they might want to consider widening their political players to include new faces. Some of these political families have been around for donkey's years.

A few term limits are not such a bad thing really especially if the practice of holding multiple offices at the same time were to get legislated out of there it might make politicians less complacent.
ronan

UK

#24 Mar 6, 2012
the examiner wrote:
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Galouzeau de Villepin ... looks more like a mafia boss than a president of a country.

Hollande looks presidential enough.
De Villepin looks like an aristocrat to me. Women love him.

Holland looks like a civil servant, a school teacher perhaps.
the examiner

Montréal, Canada

#25 Mar 6, 2012
ronan wrote:
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De Villepin looks like an aristocrat to me. Women love him.
Holland looks like a civil servant, a school teacher perhaps.
I didn't know that women loved him.The Tony in this forum is aristocrat. De Villepin isn't. His family just added the "de" to the family name. Nothing to do with aristocrat. He was a low level career diplomat, posted in Washington DC and New Delhi.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominique_de_Vil...

Villepin was born in Rabat, Morocco and spent some time in Venezuela, where his family lived for four years. He graduated from the Lycée Français de New York in 1971.[8] He has three children: Marie (b. 1986), Arthur, and Victoire (b. 1989).
Villepin's family derives from the middle class (the family was never aristocratic, and was responsible for adding the particle "de" to their own name).[9] His great-grandfather was a colonel in the French army, his grandfather was a board member for several companies, and his father Xavier de Villepin, now retired, was a diplomat and a member of the Senate. Villepin speaks French, English and Spanish.
ronan

UK

#26 Mar 6, 2012
the examiner wrote:
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I didn't know that women loved him.The Tony in this forum is aristocrat. De Villepin isn't. His family just added the "de" to the family name. Nothing to do with aristocrat.
I never said de Villepin WAS an aristocrat, but that he looked like one.
There is a certain nobility in his appearance, the way he speaks, the way he composes himself, etc...

And yes, I have heard several favourable comments from women about de Villepin, saying he was attractive, etc...

One shouldn't neglect that: half of the electorate is composed of women, and many people never vote on political ground anyway, but on impulse, attraction, etc...

BTW, Giscarg d'Estaing wasn't an aristocrat either.
Jani Beg

Bucharest, Romania

#27 Apr 17, 2012
Hi!
Jani Beg

Bucharest, Romania

#28 Apr 17, 2012
JUCAM ATINSEA?

"De exemplu, te dezbracau si aduceau doua-trei femei care aratau bine incat astfel sa iti provoace erectie. Dupa aceea te bateau cu o rigla peste penis pana cand se invinetea." (Marturiile unui detinut politic de la Aiud)

Basescu cauta cu disperare sa dea un sens mandatelor sale dezastroase. Mai nou a inceput sa vorbeasca de rusi. A vorbit si de rege, si de femei si de tineri etc. De cateva luni umbla imbracat cu cravata albastra. Dar de americani nu spune nimic. Cand a murit Teo Peter s-a grabit sa il asigure pe ambasadorul Statelor Unite la Bucuresti ca cel vinovat nu va pati nimic. Cum ar spune Negruzzi "ca un caine care in loc sa muste mana care-l bate, el o linge."

In toamna lui 1989 nici Ceausescu nu dadea de inteles ca are de gand sa renunte la putere si chiar mai vroia un cincinal. Regimul comunist din Romania nu a avut prea multi opozanti in interior, fiind ultimul care s-a prabusit in Europa de Est. Cel mai notabil act de disidenta este "Scrisoarea celor sase" care critica diverse aspecte ale politicii tovarasului, printre semnatari numaranduse Alexandru Barladeanu si Silviu Brucan.

Dupa cum bine se stie, aceasta tara pana in 1958 a fost practic sub ocupatie sovietica. Pana inainte de Revolutie se pare ca aici erau prezenti peste 5.000 de agenti ai KGB-ului in calitate de consilieri.

De-altfel Bucurestiul nu a fost bine vazut in Vest chiar si dupa 22 Decembrie 1989. Cristian Tudor Popescu marturisea in mod deschis ca atunci cand insotea delegatia romana putea sa observe ca Ion Iliescu era primit intotdeauna in urma presedintelui Poloniei sau al Ungariei. In plus, integrarea in NATO s-a realizat abia in valul al doilea.

In ceea ce ma priveste pe mine, eu am tot dreptul sa vorbesc la persoana intai. Eu nu am pierdut timpul deloc. In toti acesti ani am luptat pentru poporul tatar crimeean si impotriva regimului pro-american din Romania. Tocmai ca nimeni de aici din Dobrogea nu face ceea ce am facut eu, tocmai asta ma motiveaza sa merg mai departe.

Sa nu uitam ca de zece ani, cu resurse relativ limitate, tatarii crimeeni continua sa fie pe prima pagina a ziarelor din Occident. In 2001, talibanii din Afganistan recunosteau ca sunt 11 tari care ii ajuta in razboiul impotriva SUA, dar deoarece America, atunci, era foarte puternica, acestea nu vroiau ca numele lor sa fie dezvaluite pentru a nu avea de suferit.

Revenind la oile noastre, mi-aduc aminte ca Petre Roman se amuza povestind o intamplare, semnificativa as zice eu. La sfarsitul celui de-al Doilea Razboi Mondial trebuia sa se traseze granita dintre Romania si URSS. Este foarte interesant ca desi aceasta granita ar fi trebuit sa cada pe mijlocul bratului Chilia, Stalin a fixat-o pe malul romanesc al respectivului brat al Dunarii.

Astfel de exemple sunt nenumarate. Vor ei sa umileasca nobilul popor tatar? Pai, ei au suferit cu muuult mai multe umilinte decat noi. Aiudul este plin de povesti, unele reale, altele exagerate, ale unor anonimi care nici macar nu stiu de ce au ajuns acolo. Aceste povesti sunt ridicate la rang de istorie sau mai bine zis...tin loc de istorie.

P.S. Acest articol a fost scris in ziua de 04/16/2012 pentru data de 04/17/2012.

Since: Mar 12

Location hidden

#29 Apr 17, 2012
Tigerrlily wrote:
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....The main problem here is that a generous system of tax exemptions, to which Sarko contributed- makes that a middle class family with a good income will pay over 30% of their revenue while the richest fraction of the population hardly pays 10-15%, when their global tax rate should be near 40%
this is very similar to how we are taxed in the US --- Candidate multi-billionaire Romney paid about 14% on his investment income and speaking fees in 2010.
ronan

UK

#30 Apr 18, 2012
Tigerrlily wrote:
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I would favour a lower tax regime if only these taxes were paid in full. The main problem here is that a generous system of tax exemptions, to which Sarko contributed- makes that a middle class family with a good income will pay over 30% of their revenue while the richest fraction of the population hardly pays 10-15%, when their global tax rate should be near 40%
But who contributes more to the economy?

The middle class with their professional jobs (lawyers, doctors, scentists, lecturers, managers, surgeons, civil servants, etc...) mostly receiving their income from the state or the captains of industries, the investors and the entrepreneurs who develop businesses, boost export, launch new ventures, bring in foreign currency, create jobs and support the country's economy?

Maybe the rate of taxes should be based on the numner of jobs depending from an individual?

I will always maintain that hounding the rich is counter-productive in any tax policy. They are the geese that lay the golden eggs!

“To be or not to be”

Since: Feb 12

Location hidden

#31 Apr 20, 2012
Meredi wrote:
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this is very similar to how we are taxed in the US --- Candidate multi-billionaire Romney paid about 14% on his investment income and speaking fees in 2010.
I believe that Romney lives on his own savings or to be more precise on his investment income because he doesn't work any more and doesn't receive a salary.

Income tax rate is different from the capital gain tax rate because you have already paid income tax on the invested amount in the past. It's not the same income. It's the income generated from a tax free amount where as your salary is a taxable income.
ronan

UK

#32 Apr 21, 2012
Hollande seems to be ahead in the polls for the first and the second ballot.

Unless he has quite a reversal of fortune, it seems that the next French president will be socialist. Speculations of course...

We can expect some change in foreign policy; more pro-Euro policies, and less Atlantist policies. More EU than NATO.

America snubed Hollande, he may snub America in future...
Karol

Kraków, Poland

#33 May 5, 2012
Hollande is good candidate. He has good proposals:
- withdrawal from Afghanistan in 2012
- higher taxes for global speculators and the richest
- good social proposals
- he is more tolerant than Sarkozy, who is out of his mind.
Sarkozy and his activity as president: war in Afghanistan, war in Lybia and this civil war in Syria. And FRance, which has unemployment among young people 23 % and debts about 2 trilions euro.

France has good candidate at last- Hollande. He can be like Mitterand or better.
ronan

UK

#34 May 5, 2012
Karol wrote:
Hollande is good candidate. He has good proposals:
- withdrawal from Afghanistan in 2012
- higher taxes for global speculators and the richest
- good social proposals
- he is more tolerant than Sarkozy, who is out of his mind.
Sarkozy and his activity as president: war in Afghanistan, war in Lybia and this civil war in Syria. And FRance, which has unemployment among young people 23 % and debts about 2 trilions euro.
France has good candidate at last- Hollande. He can be like Mitterand or better.
I didn't consider Mitterand a good president.

Chirac was a good president.
ocxz

Saint-denis, Reunion

#35 May 6, 2012
It's now or never
steer left full steam.
Seth Adams

Los Alamitos, CA

#36 May 6, 2012
Will the EU collapse under Marxist mob rule in France and Greece?
ronan

UK

#37 May 6, 2012
Seth Adams wrote:
Will the EU collapse under Marxist mob rule in France and Greece?
Would that be a bad thing, you think?

Under the present programme, with austerity imposed from Germany on the member states, maybe that a complete re-thinking about Europe is necessary.

The economic crisis in Europe was mostly created by the imposition of a common currency on 17 disparate economies. That was a dream.

Now, Merkel's (and Sarko) solution was a good dose of austerity administered by Germany on other countries.

But what's the point of several years of austerity to pay debts if at the end you have nothing left but millions of unemployed?
Is it not better to declare bankrupcy NOW and already start to rebuild the system?

What is the point of eradicating the cancer if you kill the patient in the protest?
Greg

Germany

#38 May 6, 2012
He is already president of France.
The next president of USA will be hopefully Dr Ron Paul. Good luck. He is the most improtant person now. World needs changes and peace. USA needs end of wars, changes in foreign politics and restoring prosperity and Dr Ron Paul will make it.
Greg

Germany

#39 May 6, 2012
Seth Adams wrote:
Will the EU collapse under Marxist mob rule in France and Greece?
EU will not collapse. We will survive. If it makes collapse then we will make own national currencies, debts will be reduced till 50 % thanks to proper exchange ( it is top secret all big European euro countries have mints, which are ready to work and print national money and this time very quickly if something would go very badly). And we will be not as brothers ans sisters from one big Europe but like usual fellows from European countries.
But it is not known what will be with USA, if you don´t change. Future of USA is really uncertain. You have the only choice dr Ron Paul, who will save your country and bring positive changes. He will restore peace globally, he will restore prosperity in USA. He is the best.
Seth Adams

Los Alamitos, CA

#40 May 6, 2012
ronan wrote:
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Would that be a bad thing, you think?
Under the present programme, with austerity imposed from Germany on the member states, maybe that a complete re-thinking about Europe is necessary.
The economic crisis in Europe was mostly created by the imposition of a common currency on 17 disparate economies. That was a dream.
Now, Merkel's (and Sarko) solution was a good dose of austerity administered by Germany on other countries.
But what's the point of several years of austerity to pay debts if at the end you have nothing left but millions of unemployed?
Is it not better to declare bankrupcy NOW and already start to rebuild the system?
What is the point of eradicating the cancer if you kill the patient in the protest?
Thank you for your thoughtful response!

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