Who's running for French president

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French voters choose from 10 candidates in the first round of the presidential election on Sunday.
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“Progressive liberal politic”

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Apr 22, 2012
 
"He wants France out of NATO 's military command"

EU need common defence.
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NATO doesn't defend Europe; it protects US interests.

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ronan wrote:
NATO doesn't defend Europe; it protects US interests.
You got us there - There are worse things than losing that alliance - I am going to get lambasted here but if France doesn't want to be part of it it's better to let them go - IMO

I trouble come down the road later for the US or France and they can't work within NATO to I am sure they will come up with some other alliance.
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You got us there - There are worse things than losing that alliance - I am going to get lambasted here but if France doesn't want to be part of it it's better to let them go - IMO
I trouble come down the road later for the US or France and they can't work within NATO to I am sure they will come up with some other alliance.
Fance only got back lately into NATO military command.
Let's say that France is a reluctant NATO member.

But their feeling are shared by some Brits as well, who question the necessity of this alliance.

Let's face it, in the NATO scheme of things, any European country is considered a very junior partner by the US, and looked down accordingly.

When Tony Blair got the UK involved in the Iraki and Afghan wars alongside the US, he probably never imagined the level of denigration and ridicule our forces had to endured from the US military brass. The White House may put some gloss over it, but the Pentagon has nothing but scorn for Britain's help.

Our effort, and the loses of our soldiers don't attrack any sympathy from the US. So, what's the point being allies, eh?

NATO is basically another tool of US imperialism. The US presence in Europe has to be justified, so after the big communist threat, now we have the Iranian bogey man story.

It would have been better if NATO had been disbanded when the Warsaw Pact ended, and the US pulled their troops back across the water.

Europe can look after itself, and we are not at war with anyone.

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Fance only got back lately into NATO military command.
Let's say that France is a reluctant NATO member.
But their feeling are shared by some Brits as well, who question the necessity of this alliance.
Let's face it, in the NATO scheme of things, any European country is considered a very junior partner by the US, and looked down accordingly.
When Tony Blair got the UK involved in the Iraki and Afghan wars alongside the US, he probably never imagined the level of denigration and ridicule our forces had to endured from the US military brass. The White House may put some gloss over it, but the Pentagon has nothing but scorn for Britain's help.
Our effort, and the loses of our soldiers don't attrack any sympathy from the US. So, what's the point being allies, eh?
NATO is basically another tool of US imperialism. The US presence in Europe has to be justified, so after the big communist threat, now we have the Iranian bogey man story.
It would have been better if NATO had been disbanded when the Warsaw Pact ended, and the US pulled their troops back across the water.
Europe can look after itself, and we are not at war with anyone.
Oh boy you have no idea how much I wished the UK had to Bush to take a flying leap. I wish Colin Powell would have resigned like your Robin Cooke (sp?) did.

I wish instead of the usual poodle the UK would have been a pitbull and knocked the stuffing out of the at least the Iraq war if not both of them.

Bush was a pox on the world.

Do you know some nitwit in the midwest I believe bought a billboard sign and put up Bush's picture with the caption "Do you miss me yet?"

argggh!
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Oh boy you have no idea how much I wished the UK had to Bush to take a flying leap. I wish Colin Powell would have resigned like your Robin Cooke (sp?) did.
I wish instead of the usual poodle the UK would have been a pitbull and knocked the stuffing out of the at least the Iraq war if not both of them.
Bush was a pox on the world.
Do you know some nitwit in the midwest I believe bought a billboard sign and put up Bush's picture with the caption "Do you miss me yet?"
argggh!
Well, Robin Cooke's knee-jerk reaction served nothing.
People ostracised him; he died in disgrace.
All parties slavishly followed Bush anyway.
Speaking against British involvement in the Iraki and Afghans wars makes me a traitor in my own country.

People are just obsessed by military grandeur, I found, even when the bodybags keep comming back. They find them so 'patriotic'.

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Well, Robin Cooke's knee-jerk reaction served nothing.
People ostracised him; he died in disgrace.
All parties slavishly followed Bush anyway.
Speaking against British involvement in the Iraki and Afghans wars makes me a traitor in my own country.
People are just obsessed by military grandeur, I found, even when the bodybags keep comming back. They find them so 'patriotic'.
Ronan - do you have a military draft in England? I know if we had had that in the US the American public would not have followed Bush for so long, there would have been huge protests here.
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Ronan - do you have a military draft in England? I know if we had had that in the US the American public would not have followed Bush for so long, there would have been huge protests here.
No, we don't. Our armed forces are completely staffed by volunteers.

Most countries are abandoning conscription in Europe. Britain did it in the 60s, France in the 90s, and Germany last year.
Even Russia wants to abandon it.

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France need be inside NATO.

And EU need common defense.
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France need be inside NATO.
And EU need common defense.
Shut up you fool with your idea that countries should be together, that they should be 'united' and form large political entities.

People want to keep control of their lives, and it's better to be part of a small nation where individuals have a say, than be amalgamated in huge faceless undemocratic blocks where the leaders are given too much power and the people have lost all control.

NATO is a calamity, only serving US interests.

The EU don't need 'common defense'; individual countries can perfectly defend themselves.

Your idea of empire is obsolete and outmoded.

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Outmoded is the nationalism.

Finished the time who the countries was base on religion/nation/racial.

We are at 2012!
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Outmoded is the nationalism.
Finished the time who the countries was base on religion/nation/racial.
We are at 2012!
Replacing the functioning democraties in 27 member countries to replace it by the authoritarian dictatorship of the unelected European Commission doesn't look like progress to me.

The more a political entity becomes vast, the more it becomes uncontrolable and oppressive to ordinary people to stay in power.

That's why people prefer the government of a nation, answerable to them, to keep the role of managing their country and not to surrender power to a body answerable to no one.

You are an idiot for peddling your provocative posts about unification of countries, that nations should accept the control of bigger countries, etc...

Most countries in the world have achieved independence through some form of struggle, and their citizen do not wish to come back to old times when Europe was under threat of Roman, French or German hegemony.

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EU need to become common country, with common euro-goverment from the euro-parliament, elected direct from all european citizens.
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EU need to become common country, with common euro-goverment from the euro-parliament, elected direct from all european citizens.
No, it doesn't need to,but you are obsessed by the idea.
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ROMANIA, O TARA CAM MARE DUPA STANDARDELE EUROPENE

"Pe Antonescu, Ribbentrop l-a intampinat cu urmatoarele cuvinte: <<Pentru ca Romania sa poata gasi drumul spre Berlin, noi a trebuit sa ocupam Parisul.>>" (Florin Constantiniu, O istorie sincera a poporului roman)

Dupa doar cateva zile de la numirea sa in functie, Victor Ponta a inceput sa reia ideea cum ca ceea ce se intampla acum nu ar fi decat un razboi politic. Asta o spun cei care in 2010 faceau referire ba la caderea Constantinopolului, ba la Viena. Daca asta este tot ce poti tu ca popor asta nu inseamna ca trebuie sa schimbam cuvintele din dictionar. Pentru unii chiar si construirea de poduri de flori peste Prut este un razboi total.

Pe vremea cand era in opozitie, AKP-ul din Turcia a facut plangeri la Curtea Europeana pentru Drepturile Omului de la Strasbourg insa nu a primit niciun raspuns favorabil. Tocmai de aceea, Ponta fiind jurist, profit de ocazie si precizez ca eu nu am de gand sa pierd vremea prin tribunale. Nu uitati ca la Ankara in anii '90 se intamplau lucruri destul de grave: lovituri de stat date de armata, inlaturarea unor guverne si desfiintari de partide. Toate acestea au incetat in 2002 numai prin venirea islamistilor la putere cand Occidentul nu a mai putut sa spuna decat ca "vom judeca noul guvern dupa fapte, nu dupa vorbe".

USL-ul, Antena 3 si "opozitia" traiesc aceeasi bucurie pe care au trait-o si in 1989 dupa caderea Comunismului. Ce s-a obtinut atunci? Libertate? S-a obtinut libertate individuala si inrobire colectiva. Eu intotdeauna am pus interesele colective deasupra intereselor personale si cand spun asta, eu ma refer, bineinteles, la interesele tatarilor crimeeni.

Incercarile dusmanilor de a imi anticipa mutarile mi-amintesc de situatia Turciei cand, abia dupa venirea la putere a Partidului Justitiei si Dezvoltarii, Vestul a cerut armatei sa nu mai intervina in viata politica.

Se tot spune ca mie nu mi se vor recunoaste meritele (ca eu nu voi fi reabilitat). Din cate stiu eu Romania a aparut pe harta dupa Razboiul Ruso-Turc din 1877-1878. Sa nu uitam ca atunci delegatia romana nici macar nu a fost primita la negocierile de pace care au pus capat conflictului.

A urmat apoi Primul Razboi Mondial. Cate fite a facut Bucurestiul cand Antanta ii cerea ajutorul: sa se deschida un nou front la Salonic, sa i se dea nu stiu cata munitie etc etc si in doar cateva luni a fost ocupata de germani pentru ca la final, totusi, sa primeasca si Transilvania, si Basarabia, si Bucovina.

Tatarii crimeeni, de exemplu, au luptat in mod serios intre 1941-1945 si nu au obtinut atatea teritorii. "Nu trebuie sa ii nelinistim in niciun fel pe acesti oameni care inclina catre noi si care au incredere in noi. Aceasta ar fi o eroare catastrofala" ii spunea Heinrich Himmler lui Hitler vorbind despre poporul nostru.

Interesant ca Revolutia de la 1848 din Moldova care a durat doar trei zile (27-29 martie) este un eveniment care necesita atatea teze de doctorat. Dar actuala "criza" care a intrat in al optulea an este doar un...razboi politic. Si atunci ce sa mai vorbim despre onestitate, egalitate de sanse sau drepturile omului?

P.S. Acest articol a fost scris in ziua de 05/08/2012 pentru data de 05/09/2012.
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May 14, 2012
 
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"Sa nu uitam ca marea metropola americana de astazi, New York, a fost fondata, in 1626, de olandezul Peter Minuit, care a cumparat insula Manhattan, de la pieile rosii, pe un butoias de rachiu si cateva salbe de margele colorate: asezarea s-a extins, incluzand alte locuri cu denumiri olandeze (Breuckelen= Brooklyn, Harlem, Bronx, Staaten Eylandt= Staten Island), devenind centrul coloniei olandeze Noua Olanda, cucerita de englezi in 1664." (Silviu Negut, Introducere in geopolitica)

Dupa cum se stie otomanii nu au cedat de buna-voie niciun teritoriu pe care l-au cucerit cu sabia. Romanii au fost sub dominatie turca timp de cinci secole. Insa perioada cea mai apasatoare pentru ei este considerata cea care incepe in 1716.

Fanariotii au ramas in istorie prin impozitele foarte mari pe care le storceau de la populatie. Conducatorii Valahiei si Moldovei erau practic niste functionari ai sultanului fiind schimbati atat de des ca in 1802 Poarta a hotarat sa fixeze un termen de sapte ani pentru fiecare domnie. Aceasta epoca a durat, foarte interesant, exact 105 ani.

Mai precis pana in 1821 cand a avut loc Revolutia lui Tudor Vladimirescu, revolta desfasurata cu sprijinul Eteriei si a carei infrangere a facut ca Istanbulul sa revina la conducatorii locali.

Dar, culmea ironiei, ceea ce trebuie subliniat este ca tocmai in timpul domniilor fanariote s-a realizat apropierea intre Valahia si Moldova. In cursul acestei perioade atat de detestate, cand domnitorii celor doua state erau mutati dintr-o parte in alta (Constantin Mavrocordat, de exemplu, a condus de sase ori in Valahia si de patru ori in Moldova) atunci s-a observat ca exista asemanari intre cele doua popoare vecine.

Nu degeaba se tot incearca asimilarea macedonenilor. Insa in 2010 la Moscopole, in Albania, acestia au cerut recunoasterea lor ca "popor regional in Balcani".

Este suficient de mentionat ca cel mai mare dramaturg roman, I.L. Caragiale, cel mai mare filozof roman, Constantin Noica, cel mai mare actor roman, Toma Caragiu, sau cel mai mare fotbalist roman, Gheorghe Hagi, sunt de fapt aromani.

Conquistadorii spanioli cand au ajuns in America obisnuiau sa le ofere indienilor oglinzi in schimbul aurului pe care il luau de la ei. Incercarile acestor moldo-valahi de a isi scuza lipsa marilor realizari istorice prin tot felul de referiri la viata mea privata nu are nicio relevanta. Noi nu suntem indieni deloc, ba dimpotriva.

In incheiere as aminti ca in 1925 cand a inceput colonizarea aromanilor, Veli Ibrahim, presedintele Crimeii, a propus aducerea in peninsula a unui prim grup de 20.000 de tatari din cei 130.000 care traiau in Romania, insa aceasta oferta a fost refuzata de autoritatile sovietice. Iata ca acum istoria se repeta insa de data aceasta in favoarea noastra.

P.S. Acest articol a fost scris in ziua de 05/13/2012 pentru data de 05/14/2012.

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