2 British soldiers killed in N. Ireland gun ambush

Suspected IRA dissidents opened fire on British troops and pizza delivery men outside a Northern Ireland army base, killing two soldiers and wounding four other people.

[Hobbit]

I thought that crap was over with.

[marcus68]

"Over with" yes, but why is the Brittish army still in NI and why havent they joined the republic of Ireland yet?

[Maz]

The British Army is 'still in NI' because some of its bases are there - just as it is 'in' other parts of Britain - barracks have to go somewhere. And there has never been any agreement to join the Republic of Ireland. If nothing else - not everyone in the Republic wants NI back (don't forget a lot of the IRA is not about politics, but about extortion, violence and drugs and they won't want to give that up in a hurry) and a lot of NI didn't want to be under the rule of a country still heavily dictated to by Catholic doctrine.

I'm not saying everything was perfect in Northern Ireland, far from it,(and I can't stand a lot of the rabid Orangemen and Paisley and his ilk) but Catholics in the north had a lot more freedom (access to contraception, abortion and divorce and women were able to have bank accounts without their husbands permissions) under the British than they did under the Republic - although much of that has changed over the years.

The murder and attempted murder of these men was committed by a tiny minority who can't stand peace - and they also don't care about democracy, because the vast, and I mean vast, majority do not want a return to the killing.

[I can read]

marcus68 wrote:

"Over with" yes, but why is the Brittish army still in NI and why havent they joined the republic of Ireland yet?

NI hasn't joined the republic of Ireland yet because the people of NI would rather stay part of the UK. It's a little thing we like to call freedom and democracy.

We also tend to frown on terrorist scumbags and those who support them. Is there a lower form of life on the planet?

Would you by any chance be a plastic paddy? One of these people who attach themselves to all things Irish, claim to know about the country, claim to be Irish but have never even visited the place? Having visited America I know there are loads of plastic paddies over there.

[Merican]

Maz wrote:

The British Army is 'still in NI' because some of its bases are there - just as it is 'in' other parts of Britain - barracks have to go somewhere. And there has never been any agreement to join the Republic of Ireland. If nothing else - not everyone in the Republic wants NI back (don't forget a lot of the IRA is not about politics, but about extortion, violence and drugs and they won't want to give that up in a hurry) and a lot of NI didn't want to be under the rule of a country still heavily dictated to by Catholic doctrine.
I'm not saying everything was perfect in Northern Ireland, far from it,(and I can't stand a lot of the rabid Orangemen and Paisley and his ilk) but Catholics in the north had a lot more freedom (access to contraception, abortion and divorce and women were able to have bank accounts without their husbands permissions) under the British than they did under the Republic - although much of that has changed over the years.
The murder and attempted murder of these men was committed by a tiny minority who can't stand peace - and they also don't care about democracy, because the vast, and I mean vast, majority do not want a return to the killing.

Well said!!!!!!!!!!

[Tooth4U]

Tragic yet intersting. Who says they were Irish? They could have been of Pakistani descent. eh?

Or, if they are never caught could this be a false flag in order to bring in the security control grids now festering London proper? hmmmm

[Tooth4U]

State busybodies want to pry into your bedroom secrets

Mailonline March 8, 2009

Government inspectors are to ask us intimate questions about our sex lives, it was revealed.
More than half a million people every year will be asked about their past and present sexual partners, contraception and how long couples have lived together before marriage.
The 2,000 questions are part of the Integrated Household Survey, and the responses will be logged with respondents' names and addresses.

Civil servants insist that the sensitive personal information will be made anonymous once the files arrive at the Office of National Statistics, where they will then be held on a secure server.
But campaigners last night branded the survey "intrusive" and another example of Labour's "surveillance state".
The survey will cost £3.5 million to carry out each year and will see inspectors randomly visit up to 200,000 homes to question each occupant.
They will ask 35 questions on contraception alone, covering vasectomies, the pill and if respondents have ever used the "morning after" pill.
Other intimate questions include the exact dates when previous relationships ended, precise monthly earnings and details of any second jobs or bonuses.
Investigators will also ask about the health of any children in the household.

One insensitive question asks: "Have you ever had a baby - even one who lived for a short time?"
Interviewers are then told: "Exclude: Any stillborn; include: Any who lived for a short time."
Even though the survey is voluntary it has been claimed that inspectors will press respondents into revealing personal details with follow-up questions designed to draw out more information.
The ONS said it needed to carry out the annual poll to keep abreast of constantly changing social trends and so help Whitehall formulate policy.
But some experts cast doubt on the survey's accuracy, suggesting that some respondents may hold back information, especially of a sexual nature, or say what they think the interviewer wants to hear.
Frank Ferudi, professor of sociology at Kent University, said: "If they want to find out about intimate details they should do it in a much more sensitive way."
Tory Communities spokesman Eric Pickles said: "Day by day, the liberty and privacy of the British public is being undermined by Labour's surveillance state. People will be shocked that taxpayers' money is being spent on intrusive surveys.
"Now state spies want to log and record who sleeps with whom and how often. Not even the Stasi went this far."
Last night, a spokesman for the ONS defended the survey and said it was "a high quality, adaptable and efficient" way of "meeting the Government's future information needs".

[IBM]

wtf...

[imho_in my humble opinion]

marcus68 wrote:

"Over with" yes, but why is the Brittish army still in NI and why havent they joined the republic of Ireland yet?

It's economic.

The 'good' jobs go to Scot-Irish (translation for Americans: Protestant/English)

The poor paying jobs go to Catholics.(Irish-Native, Northern 6 counties)

It's all about the money - it's always been about the money.

Religion is a secondary factor.

This is how the situation was explained to me when I visited family in Ballymena, County Antrim.

[imho_in my humble opinion]

Can you refuse to participate in the 'survey'? I would never answer questions like this-even from friends, much less, the government.

Tooth4U wrote:

State busybodies want to pry into your bedroom secrets
Mailonline March 8, 2009
Government inspectors are to ask us intimate questions about our sex lives, it was revealed.
More than half a million people every year will be asked about their past and present sexual partners, contraception and how long couples have lived together before marriage.
The 2,000 questions are part of the Integrated Household Survey, and the responses will be logged with respondents' names and addresses.
Civil servants insist that the sensitive personal information will be made anonymous once the files arrive at the Office of National Statistics, where they will then be held on a secure server.
But campaigners last night branded the survey "intrusive" and another example of Labour's "surveillance state".
The survey will cost £3.5 million to carry out each year and will see inspectors randomly visit up to 200,000 homes to question each occupant.
They will ask 35 questions on contraception alone, covering vasectomies, the pill and if respondents have ever used the "morning after" pill.
Other intimate questions include the exact dates when previous relationships ended, precise monthly earnings and details of any second jobs or bonuses.
Investigators will also ask about the health of any children in the household.
One insensitive question asks: "Have you ever had a baby - even one who lived for a short time?"
Interviewers are then told: "Exclude: Any stillborn; include: Any who lived for a short time."
Even though the survey is voluntary it has been claimed that inspectors will press respondents into revealing personal details with follow-up questions designed to draw out more information.
The ONS said it needed to carry out the annual poll to keep abreast of constantly changing social trends and so help Whitehall formulate policy.
But some experts cast doubt on the survey's accuracy, suggesting that some respondents may hold back information, especially of a sexual nature, or say what they think the interviewer wants to hear.
Frank Ferudi, professor of sociology at Kent University, said: "If they want to find out about intimate details they should do it in a much more sensitive way."
Tory Communities spokesman Eric Pickles said: "Day by day, the liberty and privacy of the British public is being undermined by Labour's surveillance state. People will be shocked that taxpayers' money is being spent on intrusive surveys.
"Now state spies want to log and record who sleeps with whom and how often. Not even the Stasi went this far."
Last night, a spokesman for the ONS defended the survey and said it was "a high quality, adaptable and efficient" way of "meeting the Government's future information needs".

[attilla the turd]

the backlash could be bad ?going back to the sad and bitter dark days ?

[Topazia]

Way to make life miserable for their own countrymen. They rank right up there with middle eastern terrorists.

[Merican]

Belonging to the IRA should be a capital offence!

[Tooth4U]

You folks are knee jerking. Lets see who they are.........eh?

It is not in anyones interest for this to happen.

[Tooth4U]

imho_in my humble opinion wrote:

Can you refuse to participate in the 'survey'? I would never answer questions like this-even from friends, much less, the government.
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They say you can refuse, but then your marked down as uncooperative lol.

Have to remember mate. THe Royal Institute of International Affairs. The Club of Rome all are on about a Global control grid goverment.

False flags are real. 7/7 might have been one.

Then there are the Bobbies now who can just snatch you up and take your finger prints without warrant. Or, in the English pubs, you must take off your hats to enter. Why? Facial recognition software mate! Big Brother.

[mayo420]

Gerry Adams, leader of Sinn Fein, the former political arm of the IRA, said the attack was "wrong and counterproductive."

If cold-blooded execution style murder, in the eyes of Sin Fein and the IRA, can be labeled as simply "wrong and counterproductive" then what is the real harm in executing all Sin Fein and IRA members? Problem solved.

[Tooth4U]

H.G. Wells was a propogandist.

"Rrrrr back in 1565....... o' irish kept alive

twas fought so fierce by night by day. "

Good Irish voting NO on the EU monetary system. Good on ya.

[imho_in my humble opinion]

Tooth4U wrote:

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They say you can refuse, but then your marked down as uncooperative lol.
Have to remember mate. THe Royal Institute of International Affairs. The Club of Rome all are on about a Global control grid goverment.
False flags are real. 7/7 might have been one.
Then there are the Bobbies now who can just snatch you up and take your finger prints without warrant. Or, in the English pubs, you must take off your hats to enter. Why? Facial recognition software mate! Big Brother.

I can be classified as 'uncooperative'. I consider it a 'plus'! lol

[Gus]

Ah,the Stupid ''ORANGE'' and the ''GREEN'',such Primatives,why wont they ever learn???

[Tooth4U]

imho_in my humble opinion wrote:

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I can be classified as 'uncooperative'. I consider it a 'plus'! lol

They come to my door with a privy questionare..... they'll be calling for an ambulence for those who knocked.