Greece celebrates Oct. 28 national ho...

Greece celebrates Oct. 28 national holiday

There are 22 comments on the www.lgr.co.uk story from Oct 29, 2009, titled Greece celebrates Oct. 28 national holiday. In it, www.lgr.co.uk reports that:

President of the Hellenic Republic Karolos Papoulias on Wednesday attended the military parade held in the northern Greek city of Thessaloniki to mark the October 28 national holiday - or Ochi Day - which commemorates Greece's decision to defy the Axis powers and join World War II on the side of the Allies.

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“Kingdom of Macedonia”

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#1 Oct 29, 2009
Incredible how a country can be so proud.......that they didn't join Hitler!
Greek Hoplite

Athens, Greece

#2 Oct 29, 2009
Greek heroes of 1940 fought Nazism and died for freedom and democracy, the first country who fought alone the 2 forces of Axis,Italia & Germany
They will always remembered.

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Slavo

Toronto, Canada

#3 Oct 29, 2009
Sun_Burst wrote:
Incredible how a country can be so proud.......that they didn't join Hitler!
Incredible how a country to their north can pretend they didn't join Hitler via the Bulgarian occupation... FYRoMonkey!

“"Retrograde Forces at work"”

Since: Jul 08

Perth AU

#4 Oct 29, 2009
Sun_Burst wrote:
Incredible how a country can be so proud.......that they didn't join Hitler!
they could have saved themselves a lot of pain and suffering if they just agreed to the terms...

in the end Greece lost nearly 10% of it's population... more than any other european nation.. so I guess, Yeah, they do have something to be proud about and something to honor and commemorate

“Kingdom of Macedonia”

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#5 Oct 29, 2009
just a guy i know wrote:
<quoted text>
they could have saved themselves a lot of pain and suffering if they just agreed to the terms...
in the end Greece lost nearly 10% of it's population... more than any other european nation.. so I guess, Yeah, they do have something to be proud about and something to honor and commemorate
Your Stats are WRONG.

Over 1.7 million Yugoslavians and .5 Million Greeks died in the war. So not ...."more than any other nation" as you claim.

And what did Greece do with that marvelous victory over the Germans?....They killed many thousands of their own civilians just afew years later, in the own civil war. Those who were born and raised in Greece. Those who fought the Germans together with Greece. Those unfortunate enough to be of the Macedonian minority.

Even today 50 years later Greece denies entry, let alone compensation or pension of any kind, to the CHILDREN WHO THEY EXPELLED during that conflict. Yes, 28,0000 innocent Child refugees that greece does not allow back into it's country even today. They were Born in Greece! And once again, they were unfortunate enough to be of Macedonian minority.
As a comparison to this barbaric behavour of the Greek Government towards it's own people, the Republic of Macedonia, is currently negotiating pensions to it's civil war insurgents, only 8 years after the conflict. You would never see any such a thing in that great democracy, you call G R E E C E !!!
United Macedonians

Tübingen, Germany

#6 Oct 29, 2009
Sun_Burst wrote:
<quoted text>
Your Stats are WRONG.
Over 1.7 million Yugoslavians and .5 Million Greeks died in the war. So not ...."more than any other nation" as you claim.
And what did Greece do with that marvelous victory over the Germans?....They killed many thousands of their own civilians just afew years later, in the own civil war. Those who were born and raised in Greece. Those who fought the Germans together with Greece. Those unfortunate enough to be of the Macedonian minority.
Even today 50 years later Greece denies entry, let alone compensation or pension of any kind, to the CHILDREN WHO THEY EXPELLED during that conflict. Yes, 28,0000 innocent Child refugees that greece does not allow back into it's country even today. They were Born in Greece! And once again, they were unfortunate enough to be of Macedonian minority.
As a comparison to this barbaric behavour of the Greek Government towards it's own people, the Republic of Macedonia, is currently negotiating pensions to it's civil war insurgents, only 8 years after the conflict. You would never see any such a thing in that great democracy, you call G R E E C E !!!
Yoiu are so full of propaganda and hate. The rest of teh world is wrong and you are right? Who told you this crap?
United Macedonians

Tübingen, Germany

#7 Oct 29, 2009
Paidomazoma - Communist children abductions in the Greek civil war

Georgios Manoukas was the General Inspector of the 1946 Child Gathering and also a former member of KKE (Greek communist Party). He returned in Greece in 1961 and published a book on the Paidomazoma. He examines Cominform intentions behind its policy towards the children and concludes that from the beginning of the Yugoslav government (Tito) falsified the numbers of these children, integrated them into the population of the Republic of Macedonia, and acculturated them into the new “Macedonian” culture. Some children were trained and sent back to Greece to fight, indeed as janissaries.

One of the five-member council during the children abduction era was the Slav Macedonian Sikavitsas. This person was responsible for the Slavophone children. In the so-called Mountain Government (KKE), there were two Slavophone “ministers”. Their names were Metrovsky and Stavro Kocev. These Slavophones visited the children and aimed at the elimination of the Greek language used by the children.

Their lectures used terms terms such as Macedonian autonomy, Greece was a creation of the Big Powers, Slavic Macedonians were the only descendants of the ancient Macedonians, freedom to the occupied Aegean Macedonia from the monarchofasists, e.t.c.

FYROM propagandists claim all the children were Slavophones. Of course this is a lie. In the book one can find the places where children were taken. 18.500 went to Bulgaria (17 camps), Romania (11 camps), Hungary (11 camps), Czechoslovakia (18 camps), Poland (3 camps), East Germany and Albania (5 camps), 9.500 went in Yugoslavia (15 camps). Those numbers and the locations are recorded also by the Red Cross.
United Macedonians

Tübingen, Germany

#8 Oct 29, 2009
On November 17, 1948 (UN Resolution 193), and also in November 1949 (UN Resolution 288) the UN General assembly passed unanimously two resolutions condemning the removal of the Greek children, demanding their return. These andsubsequent UN resolutions were not answered. From 1950 to 1952 only 684 children were permitted to return to Greece because of the pressure of the Red Cross and two new UN Resolutions.

By 1963, around 4000 children (some of them born in Communist countries) have been repatriated. Of those who did not return many died of illness, some escaped to Germany and others have since returned or have yet to return.

Ironically FYROM government denies any discussion because they know of the past. However, a series of videos appearing on the web, statements made on internet forums and even by a Skopian journalist on tv unbelievably claim there had been a genocide against Slav children and Slavs in general, as many Slavs had to leave Macedonia after the end of the communist uprising. They completely airbrush the fact that the Bulgarians by 1944 had expelled 100,000 Greeks from the regions of Macedonia they occupied and some 7000 Bulgarians had moved to take up their place, who left at the end of the war. They also airbrush the fact that Slavs from Bulgaria and Yugoslavia fought together with the Greek communists on a brockered deal that if the communists succeeded, Macedonia and Thrace would be annexed by Yugoslavia and Bulgaria respectively. These Slav volunteers of course left. However, the numbers of Slavs in Greece estimated at around 25-30,000 before the second world war remained about the same after it. The real war crime, was the crime against the Greek children.

References:

1) Child Gathering Vol I, The Biggest Crime, Georgios Manoukas, 1961

2) Child Gathering Vol II, Education and Teaching of the kidnapping Greek children, Georgios Manoukas, 1967
United Macedonians

Tübingen, Germany

#9 Oct 29, 2009
Consecutive unanimous UN resolutions put the blame for this war crime squarely on the communist side. They condemn among else the abduction of 28000 Greek children from Macedonia that were not being returned even after the UN received 8000 petitions from parents in Greece wanting their children back. The reason was partly blackmail, partly a kind of scorched earth policy, partly communist janissarism and sometimes a claim that as everyone in the countryside able to fight had to be conscripted to the communist army, children needed to be taken care of by host families. However, in reality children were taken in miserable camps with appalling hygiene, lived mostly in squalor for the exception of the few lucky ones, such as a number that were taken to Eastern Germany. They were usually separated from their brothers and sisters and so it can hardly be said that the care of the children was the primary concern of the communists. Of course the parents had sometimes to stay on the side of the communists in the hope of seeing again their children and therefore had to fight for the communist cause. Mothers who resisted the abductions were killed. Those who did not resist were often pressed into military service. Those men and women who tried to escape cosncription were beaten, tortured and sometimes were killed.



And those children that were never returned to Greece were indoctrinated that they had been taken from Greece to protect them from the Greek government and were raised in Yugoslavia and elsewhere to think that some great injustice had been done against them. This twisted claim of a Slav genocide in Macedonia is more evil then evil.



The texts of the two UN resolutions can be found online:



UN Resolution 193, 1948

http://daccessdds.un.org/doc/RESOLUTION/GEN/N...



UN Resolution 288, 1949

http://daccessdds.un.org/doc/RESOLUTION/GEN/N...



Both titled: Threats to the political independence and territorial integrity of Greece. The vote from the UN general assembly was UNANIMOUS - both times.



Here is a relevant text from the second resolution:

RESOLUTION ADOPTED BY THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF THE U.N DURING ITS FOURTH SESSION.

THREATS TO THE POLITICAL INDEPENDENCE AND TERRITORIAL INTEGRITY OF GREECE - 288 (IV)(18 November 1949)

Noting the report submitted by the International Committee of the Red Cross and the League of the Red Cross Societies on the question of the repatriation of Greek children,and expressing warm appreciation of the efforts made by the two International Red Cross organizations to facilitate the implementation of General Assembly resolution 193 (III) C,Noting that the Greek children have not as yet been returned to their homes….

…2.Urges all the Members of the United Nations and other States harbouring the Greek children to make all necessary arrangements, in consultation and co-operation with the international Red Cross organizations,for the early return to their homes of the children with the aforementioned resolution;

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#10 Oct 29, 2009
Sun_Burst wrote:
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Your Stats are WRONG.
Over 1.7 million Yugoslavians and .5 Million Greeks died in the war. So not ...."more than any other nation" as you claim.
And what did Greece do with that marvelous victory over the Germans?....They killed many thousands of their own civilians just afew years later, in the own civil war. Those who were born and raised in Greece. Those who fought the Germans together with Greece. Those unfortunate enough to be of the Macedonian minority.
Even today 50 years later Greece denies entry, let alone compensation or pension of any kind, to the CHILDREN WHO THEY EXPELLED during that conflict. Yes, 28,0000 innocent Child refugees that greece does not allow back into it's country even today. They were Born in Greece! And once again, they were unfortunate enough to be of Macedonian minority.
As a comparison to this barbaric behavour of the Greek Government towards it's own people, the Republic of Macedonia, is currently negotiating pensions to it's civil war insurgents, only 8 years after the conflict. You would never see any such a thing in that great democracy, you call G R E E C E !!!
Your stats are wrong champski.

Greece had 11.17% deaths due to the war and occupation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_cas...
United Macedonians

Tübingen, Germany

#11 Oct 29, 2009
http://www.gogreece.com/learn/oxi.htm

THE PRIDE OF OXI DAY
October 28th

By Gary Van Haas

The magnificent Greek holiday Oxi Day is celebrated every year in Greece on October 28th and mostly remembered for general Ioannis Metaxas' strong reply of 'oxi'(no) to Mussolini's request to allow Italian troops to come into Greece at the beginning of WW II. The result of this stern message was powerful, and in the end, helped to maintain Greece’s course of neutrality for generations to come. Nevertheless, the Italians did invade Greece, but were subsequently driven back into Albania.

The story begins in 1935, when King George II was restored to the Greek throne by a rigged plebiscite, where he made the right-wing general Ioannis Metaxas prime minister. Nine months later, Metaxas assumed dictatorial powers with the king’s consent under the pretext of preventing a communist-inspired republican coup. The October 28 national holiday also marks the date in 1940 when Greece entered WWII.

On that cherished day in Greek history, prime minister Ioannis Metaxas not only rejected Italy's ultimatum, he chose the road of resistance, and thus saved his reputation as a dictator. Cypriot countrymen also drew inspiration from Greece's refusal to let Italian troops invade in 1940 in the face of continued Turkish agression. For that matter, parades are also staged by Greek communities around the world in celebration of Oxi Day.

Today in Greece, celebrations of Oxi Day culminate in a large, lavish military parade down the main boulevards of Athens and Thessoloniki. Soldiers, tanks, armoured vehicles and students parade through most Greek cities with an air of pride, and politicans in reviewing stands have an opportunity to show their own spirit to Greece and the resistance and how in future generations it should it should be continued. For tourists and foreigners, it's a proud spectacle to behold, so if you're ever in Greece during that time, be sure and see it!
United Macedonians

Tübingen, Germany

#12 Oct 29, 2009
October 28, 1940
At 2:50 am on Sunday, 28 October 1940, General Ioannis Metaxas, Prime Minister of Greece , was awoken in his Athens home. At the door was the Italian Ambassador, Count Emmanuelle Grazzi, with a written ultimatum to the Greek government demanding that Italian forces be given free passage into Greece from Albania and that they be allowed to garrison certain unspecified "strategic points of Greek territory". Italy claimed that its request for this "temporary" occupation was the result of British attempts to involve more and
more countries in the war. If Greece refused to comply then resistance would be "broken by force of arms". A reply was demanded by 6.00 am, but Metaxas gave it at once — "Alors c'est la guerre" (well, this means War, in French). At 5.30 am Italian troops crossed the Greek–Albanian border and Greece was at war with Fascist Italy.
The Italian Ultimatum:
"The Italian Government has repeatedly noted how, in the course of the present conflict, the Greek Government assumed & maintained an attidute which was contrary not only with that of formal, peaceful, good neighborly relations between two nations, but also with the precise duties which were incumbent on the Greek Government in view of its status as a neutral country. On various occasions the Italian Government has found it necessary to urge the Greek Government to observe these duties and to protest against their systematic violation, particularly serious since the Greek Government permitted its territorial water, its coasts and its ports to be used by the British fleet in the course of its war operations, aided in supplying the British air forces and permitted organization of a military information service in the Greek archipelago to Italy's damage.
The Greek Government was perfectly aware of these facts which several times formed the basis of diplomatic representations on the part of Italy to which the Greek Government, which should have taken consideration of the grave consequences of its attitude, failed to respond with any measure for the protection of its own neutrality, but, instead, intensified its activities favoring the British armed forces and its cooperaticn with Italy's enemies.
The Italian Government has proof that this co-operation was foreseen by the Greek Government and was regulated by understandings of a mllitary, naval and aeronautical character.
The Italian Government does not refer only to the British guarantee accepted by Greece as a part of the program of action against Italy's security but also to explicit, precise engagements undertaken by the Greek Government to put at the disposal of powers at war with Italy important strategic positions on Greek territory, including air bases in Thessaly and Macedonia, designed for attack on Albanian territory."

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthre...

(Note reference on "Macedonia" - Skop propaganda says to their folks Macedonia did not exist before 1945, name free to use by Yugoslavs).
United Macedonians

Tübingen, Germany

#13 Oct 29, 2009
Alors c'est la guerre!

http://greekmilitary.net/WW2.htm

One of the pictures shows demonstrators with a poster saying: To Rome!
United Macedonians

Tübingen, Germany

#14 Oct 29, 2009
OXI to FYROM!

Greece fought at the same time against Germany and fascist Italy, fascist Bulgaria at the time they were allies of Stalin. FYROMians in the meantime were holding up pictures of Hitler and king Boris of Bulgaria.

http://www.i-macedonia.com/blog/files/FYROM_N...
Eddie

Thessaloníki, Greece

#15 Oct 29, 2009
Sun_Burst wrote:
<quoted text>
Your Stats are WRONG.
Over 1.7 million Yugoslavians and .5 Million Greeks died in the war. So not ...."more than any other nation" as you claim.
And what did Greece do with that marvelous victory over the Germans?....They killed many thousands of their own civilians just afew years later, in the own civil war. Those who were born and raised in Greece. Those who fought the Germans together with Greece. Those unfortunate enough to be of the Macedonian minority.
Even today 50 years later Greece denies entry, let alone compensation or pension of any kind, to the CHILDREN WHO THEY EXPELLED during that conflict. Yes, 28,0000 innocent Child refugees that greece does not allow back into it's country even today. They were Born in Greece! And once again, they were unfortunate enough to be of Macedonian minority.
As a comparison to this barbaric behavour of the Greek Government towards it's own people, the Republic of Macedonia, is currently negotiating pensions to it's civil war insurgents, only 8 years after the conflict. You would never see any such a thing in that great democracy, you call G R E E C E !!!
You mean they killed those traitors who tried to hand over Greece to the Soviet Union ?
Well thank God they did, and didn't let Greece to become a communist country like its northern neighbors.
These filthy rats ran away after they were defeated so they would not stand trial for their war crimes. What does Greece owe them ? Nothing except punishment for the suffering they caused to the Greek society.
If they want to return they should first come and stand trial for their war crimes, and then we'll talk.
BOREC

Canberra, Australia

#16 Oct 29, 2009
Greek Hoplite wrote:
Greek heroes of 1940 fought Nazism and died for freedom and democracy, the first country who fought alone the 2 forces of Axis,Italia & Germany
They will always remembered.
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A yee...like people didn't know the history!!??

NAZZIE MORONS!!!

p.s. And who cares about your Halloween....write this in your GUPTINIA forum
Annoyed by Stupidity

North Bay, Canada

#17 Oct 29, 2009
BOREC wrote:
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A yee...like people didn't know the history!!??
NAZZIE MORONS!!!
p.s. And who cares about your Halloween....write this in your GUPTINIA forum
The only NAZI descendent of a NAZI moron on this page is you, Bulgarian idiotovski... What the [email protected] does "yee" mean? Are you a goat, or are you [email protected] one as you type on these pages? What the hell does your p.s. comment mean? Are you so illiterate that you confuse words, writing random things down, and hoping they make sense to someone?
Eddie

Thessaloníki, Greece

#18 Oct 29, 2009
BOREC wrote:
<quoted text>
A yee...like people didn't know the history!!??
NAZZIE MORONS!!!
p.s. And who cares about your Halloween....write this in your GUPTINIA forum
Your Fyromian grandpappies were Nazi collaborators and Hitler's best ally in the Balkans, so watch your filthy mouthole Slavo.
United Macedonians

Tübingen, Germany

#19 Oct 29, 2009
BOREC wrote:
<quoted text>
A yee...like people didn't know the history!!??
NAZZIE MORONS!!!
http://www.i-macedonia.com/blog/files/FYROM_N...

Ooops...

Since: Mar 08

I like to screw pichkas!!!

#20 Oct 29, 2009
Annoyed by Stupidity wrote:
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The only NAZI descendent of a NAZI moron on this page is you, Bulgarian idiotovski... What the [email protected] does "yee" mean? Are you a goat, or are you [email protected] one as you type on these pages? What the hell does your p.s. comment mean? Are you so illiterate that you confuse words, writing random things down, and hoping they make sense to someone?
Professor Burek in "deep thought" as he contemplates his space/time countinuum thesis!
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