Islamists "blackmail" Church in Egypt

There are 14 comments on the www.barnabasaid.org story from Sep 6, 2012, titled Islamists "blackmail" Church in Egypt. In it, www.barnabasaid.org reports that:

The Church in Egypt is being subjected to “cheap political blackmail and political thuggery” as Islamists demand that its funds come under state control in what could be seen as a ploy to deflect growing scrutiny of Muslim Brotherhood finances and affairs.

This was the assessment of Christian rights’ group Copts Without Chains to the call last week by Islamists in the Constituent Assembly that the government monitor church finances ...

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Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#1 Sep 6, 2012
from barnabasaid:

"Absurdly over-stating the power of the Christian community in Egypt, Saeed claimed that the smallest monastery in Egypt was larger than the Vatican, and he alleged there were concerns of a 'church state within the Egyptian civil state'.

"This is a ludicrous scenario in a country that is 90% Muslim and that heavily discriminates against Christians. They already face many difficulties and even violence over the construction of church buildings, and while mosques receive funding from taxes paid by all Egyptian citizens, churches get no state money and are financed solely by Christian giving ...

"On the face of it, this latest Islamist demand is simply another attempt to intimidate and restrict the Egyptian Church, which is nothing unusual ..."

... in fact, it's business as usual.

“Athiest”

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#2 Sep 6, 2012
I don't want muslims to live in the west because as soon as they can this is what they will do!
passerby

Welland, Canada

#3 Sep 6, 2012
" The disingenuous call for the monitoring of Church funds appears to be one thread of an ugly tapestry that Islamists in Egypt, under President Morsi, are weaving to cover all criticism and challenge until they have full control over all the organs of state and can thus impose their agenda on the country.

The Egyptian revolution, which overthrew one dictatorial president in the pursuit of freedom and democracy, has been betrayed by another dictatorial president. Morsi has abused these ideals in order to seize power only to deny them now that end has been achieved. "

This does not look good for humans in Egypt.

Iran II ???
MENAgirl

Cairo, Egypt

#4 Sep 7, 2012
I'm sorry,
1)what is the blackmail here? I saw various reports and some said "monitoring" while others said controlling, but I saw all of these in blogs and martyr newsletters, so I am not clear on what is going on as the reporting is a bit dodgy because of it. Any primary source?

2)Importantly, I think there is a translation problem, here furthering one misunderstanding and which is used to mock. Egyptians know that the Coptic church here is not bigger than the Vatican, but in Egypt, the church leadership has far more power in the lives of Copts than the Vatican does over the Roman Catholic Church membership. Here, it is very close, very controlled and very intense. Copts do not marry and divorce and worry about what the pope thinks later or knows that their parents will forgive and forget their marrying a methodist or Jew. The church is actually SMALL enough that they have far stronger reach on the people in it. That is, from my experience with the translation issues in this country, what was likely meant by that statement before it was translated.

3)Was the proposal accepted or rejected? I hear of proposals all the time that are not accepted anyway, but are just some sort of thing thrown into the pot and rejected by all. what happened? I can't find any reporting on this in a regular paper.
French Twist

Bronx, NY

#5 Sep 7, 2012
passerby wrote:
" The disingenuous call for the monitoring of Church funds appears to be one thread of an ugly tapestry that Islamists in Egypt, under President Morsi, are weaving to cover all criticism and challenge until they have full control over all the organs of state and can thus impose their agenda on the country.
The Egyptian revolution, which overthrew one dictatorial president in the pursuit of freedom and democracy, has been betrayed by another dictatorial president. Morsi has abused these ideals in order to seize power only to deny them now that end has been achieved. "
This does not look good for humans in Egypt.
Iran II ???
Egypt is moving backwards with religiosity. There are few productive businesses r agricultural concerns. Unemployment will increase as women continue to be eliminated from the workforce and government....
Islamic governance guarantees a lack of economic and technological prowess. Maybe that s not all bad.

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#6 Sep 8, 2012
MENAgirl wrote:
I'm sorry,
1)what is the blackmail here?...
blackmail: extortion by threats

"The Church in Egypt is being subjected to 'cheap political blackmail and political thuggery' as Islamists demand that its funds come under state control in what could be seen as a ploy to deflect growing scrutiny of Muslim Brotherhood finances and affairs."
MENAgirl

Gîza, Egypt

#7 Sep 8, 2012
Joe DeCaro wrote:
<quoted text>
blackmail: extortion by threats
"The Church in Egypt is being subjected to 'cheap political blackmail and political thuggery' as Islamists demand that its funds come under state control in what could be seen as a ploy to deflect growing scrutiny of Muslim Brotherhood finances and affairs."
I'd like to see a journalists account of this, rather than one of YOUR blogs, Joe.

So, are you saying "if I have to show mine, you have to show yours" is blackmail?

Again, are we talking scrutiny or control? They are different:)

Have you any information about this that comes from a valid journalistic source?

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#8 Sep 8, 2012
MENAgirl wrote:
<quoted text>I'd like to see a journalists account of this ...
How can you see anything with a veil of denial over your eyes?
MENAgirl

Gîza, Egypt

#9 Sep 8, 2012
Joe DeCaro wrote:
<quoted text>
How can you see anything with a veil of denial over your eyes?
Today I read an account in the UK Copt magazine about what is going on in Dashur. The author totally mis-stated the facts to make a point about how evil Islam tried to run Christians out of town-ignoring a few pertinent facts. And another big one. The culture of small villages in Egypt where people are poorly educated and still tribal.

If the ONLY "news" I can find information is in such church papers and those mouthpieces who are soliciting for donations by lying about the facts on the ground, I do not think that credible. I question ANY source, but there are some that are proven to be biased or even false. Therefore, I will not respond to misinformation and manipulative articles. That is pointless.

Does that mean that there are not any actual news articles on this subject?

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#10 Sep 9, 2012
MENAgirl wrote:
... I question ANY source, but there are some that are proven to be biased or even false. Therefore, I will not respond to misinformation and manipulative articles. That is pointless.
Does that mean that there are not any actual news articles on this subject?
It is very difficult for Western news agencies to get stories out of islamic dictatorships, esp. after Egypt's new Islamist president began putting pressure on the few independent newspaper editors left.

However, I suspect that your own personal bias causes you to declare as false anything that doesn't agree with your own world view.
Social ponzi security

Jakarta, Indonesia

#11 Sep 9, 2012
Joe98 wrote:
I don't want muslims to live in the west because as soon as they can this is what they will do!
End all welfare is also end to Muslim migration. First what need to do end social security and end medicare.
Social ponzi security

Jakarta, Indonesia

#12 Sep 9, 2012
Stop treating healthcare as human right, is first step to end Muslim migration. Let the die uninsured Muslim on street, is the first step to end Muslim migration.

Anyone who say old age security and healthcare as human right, should be held responsible for inviting illegal aliens.
Social ponzi security

Jakarta, Indonesia

#13 Sep 9, 2012
I am believe in free market. Ayn Rand and Adam Smith is my prophet. So .... this is my best idea to help persecuted Christian. No handout!

Jesus don't understand that, help is incentive. Bail out losers, you will create more loser. But i can understand that, Jesus never use his own resource to bail out loser.

If i Jesus, i would ask, "Do you buy insurance? You don't have insurance, right? You are irresponsible person. Leprosy is matter of personal responsibility . If i help you, i will create chain circle of irresponsibility".

Helping persecuted Christian = subprime mortgages = food stamp
Social ponzi security

Jakarta, Indonesia

#15 Sep 9, 2012
What is similarity between poor uninsured, persecuted Christian, welfare recipient, student who join college loan?

Unreliable idiots who need big government commie hand out

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