Taiwan cannot accept 'Chinese' identity

The just concluded "Cross-Strait Economic and Cultural Forum" convened by the Chinese Communist Party and the Chinese Nationalist Party fully confirmed expectations that the fete between the reconciled ruling parties of Taiwan and the People's Republic of China would announce a new agenda toward top-down "cultural unification" under the banner of ...

[deserve better]

Race does not equate to Nationality.
Chinese is not Taiwanese PERIOD!
Taiwanese should not lower themselves to be China Chinese.

[HIV]

Why do Taiwanese want to be Red Chinese ???
Are they stupid or don't they know how bad Communism is?
They are not stupid and they do know how bad ...

[Joe]

deserve better wrote:

Race does not equate to Nationality.
Chinese is not Taiwanese PERIOD!
Taiwanese should not lower themselves to be China Chinese.

You are so ignorant of the true facts about China. Taiwan is part of China and is none of your business. Get an education.

[Joe]

HIV wrote:

Why do Taiwanese want to be Red Chinese ???
Are they stupid or don't they know how bad Communism is?
They are not stupid and they do know how bad ...

We do not want to have HIV. You are a sick idiot. We know how bad and fatally sick you are!

[deserve better]

Joe wrote:

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You are so ignorant of the true facts about China. Taiwan is part of China and is none of your business. Get an education.

You need an education yourself. Your government tells you so much lies, you couldn't differentiate a duck from a chicken.

ROC constitution was drawn up during 1910s which included Tibet, China mainland, Taiwan and etc. When did PRC government started? 1950s. PRC didn't even want to associated with seperatists (KMT) during that period who fled the mainland and claimed Formosa to itself. And now PRC wants to reunite because Taiwan is a strategic island? It's a load of bulla! Or maybe China wants to be governed under Taiwan instead if you recognise the ROC constution.

If they want to reunite so badly, KMT can go back to China and really form a democratic nation in China instead of just one party democracy!! China is a big joke itself in terms of government/politics. A bunch of amateurs trying to be the emperor.

I say "Leave Taiwan Alone."

[Joe]

deserve better wrote:

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I say "Leave Taiwan Alone."

Sooner or later Taiwan will be like Hong KOng living happily under one country two system arrangement whether u like it or not! There is no reason to fight among Chinese brothers and sisters in the family!

[Joe]

Taiwan will be like Hong Kong under one country two systems arrangement, whether u like it or not. There should be no internal fighting among Chinese brothers and sisters in the family.

[Oogles]

So let them not accept themselve being Mainland. Because in reality they are not part of the mainland. But Taiwanese know their ancestry/tribe. Ask them and you might get to know where their from. A lot of them say they are Fukian. A Chinese Tribe.

[deserve better]

Joe wrote:

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Sooner or later Taiwan will be like Hong KOng living happily under one country two system arrangement whether u like it or not! There is no reason to fight among Chinese brothers and sisters in the family!

Reality Check Joe!

You think HK is happy is because your government tell you so. If you been to HK before 1997 and now, you would say there isn't any improvements to human rights, economies, democracy and quality of life other than more skyscrapers.

Check again! China can only use the wealth/money that Taiwan and western nations give to cover up and glorify its government's incompetency.

Check again! Chinese have been fighting among themselves since history could remember.

Check again! Taiwanese is peace loving people and we do not fight with anyone, not even China.

Check again! It is China who is aiming missles at Taiwan.

Check again! Taiwanese and Chinese are not brothers and sisters.

I reiterate my 1st post:
Race does not equate to Nationality.
Taiwanese is not Chinese.
Chinese is not Taiwanese.
Mongolian is not Chinese.
Tibetan is not Chinese.
Singaporean is not Chinese.
China must stop assimilating other minorities.

[HE DONALD TSANG]

Joe wrote:

Taiwan will be like Hong Kong under one country two systems arrangement, whether u like it or not. There should be no internal fighting among Chinese brothers and sisters in the family.

Substitue parental prerogative for sibling squabbles for a fairer representation of how line of relationship is drawn inside this big China family. The latter if allowed at all is negligible against the all imposing will of Patriarch China.

Contrast sisters Hong Kong and Macao. A noisesome or some may say rebellious bent has cost the former in standing somewhat. There's Shanghai being actively groomed to eclipse or perhaps altogether replace Hong Kong in its vital functions. A none too subtle manoeuver by a displeased parents perhaps. Meanwhile to reinforce the lesson the quieter half sister across the Pearl River delta has received a present of an island territory for education and tourism development.

Some development I am sure will vex the thought process of the Taiwanese in the years ahead.

[Andrew]

deserve better wrote:

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You need an education yourself. Your government tells you so much lies, you couldn't differentiate a duck from a chicken.
ROC constitution was drawn up during 1910s which included Tibet, China mainland, Taiwan and etc. When did PRC government started? 1950s. PRC didn't even want to associated with seperatists (KMT) during that period who fled the mainland and claimed Formosa to itself. And now PRC wants to reunite because Taiwan is a strategic island? It's a load of bulla! Or maybe China wants to be governed under Taiwan instead if you recognise the ROC constution.
If they want to reunite so badly, KMT can go back to China and really form a democratic nation in China instead of just one party democracy!! China is a big joke itself in terms of government/politics. A bunch of amateurs trying to be the emperor.
I say "Leave Taiwan Alone."

You are strange. Why not read the history and visit Taiwan? Why not see who are the ones who refuse to admit they are of Chinese ancestry (and what is the %). There is no need to debate with you.

[Jay]

HIV wrote:

Why do Taiwanese want to be Red Chinese ???
Are they stupid or don't they know how bad Communism is?
They are not stupid and they do know how bad ...

That shows you don't understand the sentiment of many people of Chinese ancestry. You are layman to the subject. "Taiwanese", "Red Chinese" etc. are terminologies used by foreigners and laymen in the subject. We don't talk like that among us although there is a gap in thinking across the Strait.

[bunun]

---the un should recognize the inherent sacred rights of taiwan's first people to exercise self determination.

---though tw is populated by chinese colonizers it doesn't mean that tw is a part of china.

---tw has been independent for eons why should tw
cease this existence and be part of another foreign doctrine?

[ngali]

The only people, who should be deciding it Taiwan becomes part of China are the Taiwanese.

A recent Zogby poll shows a majority of 85% are adamantly opposed to the idea, and want independence and admission to the UN.

Ma Ying Jeou seems to be doing all he can to make it easier for Taiwan to fall forever into orbit around China by increasing economic ties. It may be a pragmatic solution to the problems of the global financial crisis , but he's playing a dangerous game. Ma could be handing over the keys to the kingdom - and Taiwanese sovereignty with it.

Even, so - there's no inevitability here. The real choice lays with the Taiwanese people, and the next election could change everything.

[H_I _V]

ngali wrote:

The only people, who should be deciding it Taiwan becomes part of China are the Taiwanese.

I agree 100% with you but wonder why Chinese set a lot of missiles toward Taiwan?

[Jesse]

Jay wrote:

<quoted text>That shows you don't understand the sentiment of many people of Chinese ancestry. You are layman to the subject. "Taiwanese", "Red Chinese" etc. are terminologies used by foreigners and laymen in the subject. We don't talk like that among us although there is a gap in thinking across the Strait.

Um...no. Taiwanese of Han ancestry do call themselves Chinese among themselves. They call themselves Taiwanese when talking to mainland people and foreigners. And they absolutely see themselves as different from mainland Chinese.

[Snowflake]

just live with it and give it up, sooner or later Taiwan will be a part of China formally they are so dependent on China. America with its crisis is not much of a help. The days of kissing up to america are done.

[Zsari]

Jesse wrote:

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Um...no. Taiwanese of Han ancestry do call themselves Chinese among themselves. They call themselves Taiwanese when talking to mainland people and foreigners. And they absolutely see themselves as different from mainland Chinese.

One can say the same for HKer. But the root of the matter does not lies in what people on the island think, but the legal ownership of the territory itself.

[Jesse]

Zsari wrote:

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One can say the same for HKer. But the root of the matter does not lies in what people on the island think, but the legal ownership of the territory itself.

Actually, I'm pretty sure the root of the matter is about who has the will and the means. As long as the majority of Taiwanese do not want unification, they will not unify. Its that simple.

They will go to war of this too, as would China. They could go to war over this knowing that they would lose (although, I'm not 100% sure Taiwan would lose).

The only way Taiwanese would want to unify with China is if China becomes more like Taiwan. Meaning: democracy; strong protection of individual rights; ownership of land; free media, etc

[deserve better]

Andrew wrote:

<quoted text>You are strange. Why not read the history and visit Taiwan? Why not see who are the ones who refuse to admit they are of Chinese ancestry (and what is the %). There is no need to debate with you.

You are ignorant. Told you million times, chinese ancestry not equal to nationality...

If you really insist, claim singapore as part of China first. I know they always call themselves "Chinese" and the singapore goverment is pro-communist too! It would be alot easier. You can then stretch and claim your border all the way to SEA.