Bizarre claim Pope will die within ye...

Bizarre claim Pope will die within year sparks media storm

There are 21 comments on the The Age story from Feb 11, 2012, titled Bizarre claim Pope will die within year sparks media storm. In it, The Age reports that:

CLAIMS of a bizarre plot to assassinate Pope Benedict XVI are reverberating through Italy in what observers say signals the latest twist in an increasingly cutthroat internal Vatican power dispute.

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Santorum On Dawg Sax

Media, PA

#1 Feb 11, 2012
Just subpoena the Pope and we'll see just how suddenly he suddenly passes from the scene. snicker

>Bevilacqua, the retired archbishop of Philadelphia, died at age 88 on January 31, the day after a judge ruled he was competent to testify in an upcoming sex abuse trial involving clerics and a schoolteacher.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/02/11/us-...

“Pardon my nosiness ”

Since: May 07

London, England

#2 Feb 12, 2012
Is the Opus Dei involved here?
Dr Stinko

Hampton, VA

#3 Feb 12, 2012
I and probably y'all too don't really know enough re the internal workings in the corridors of power of Mother Church to judge how foolish or likely such a plot might be.

Many believe that the Church has over the centuries accomplished great things through acts of total ruthlessness. While I've been to the Vatican, I was not part of the "skeletons in our closet" tour...

If there are any real Vatican Scholars out there, I'd surely be interested in your take(s).

Not as interested, however, in those of you with speculative "opinions".
Mitt s Airtight Dog Crate

Media, PA

#4 Feb 12, 2012
Dr Stinko wrote:
I and probably y'all too don't really know enough re the internal workings in the corridors of power of Mother Church to judge how foolish or likely such a plot might be.
Many believe that the Church has over the centuries accomplished great things through acts of total ruthlessness. While I've been to the Vatican, I was not part of the "skeletons in our closet" tour...
If there are any real Vatican Scholars out there, I'd surely be interested in your take(s).
Not as interested, however, in those of you with speculative "opinions".
The D.A. wanted an autopsy done on Bevilacqua because of the odd timing. So far the coroner has refused, because Bevilacqua either was suffering from severe illnesses or, imo, was having his illnesses trumped up by RCC lawyers trying to keep him from having to testilie, I mean, testify.

The relevant case in Philly is a whole new game: They are putting the offending-priest shufflers on trial, not just the offending priests....It's a first, I believe. A conviction could be really, really bad for the RCC. What a precedent.

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Since: Oct 07

Formerly From Kenya

#5 Feb 12, 2012
InvestoPopepedia....the source for commodity futures..
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Lilith_SatansWho re

Since: Jul 11

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#6 Feb 12, 2012
let's hope its less than a year.... times catching you hitler pope
Mitt s Airtight Dog Crate

Media, PA

#7 Feb 12, 2012
Lilith_SatansWhore wrote:
let's hope its less than a year.... times catching you hitler pope
Wait. Have we considered how bad the likely successors might be?

I guess they can't have been Hitler Youth, simply due to the passage of years...but apart from that small mercy all bets are off.

“Pardon my nosiness ”

Since: May 07

London, England

#8 Feb 12, 2012
Maybe this Easter the Church will resurrect the Grand Inquisitor Torquemada to deal with this issue.

Spotted Girl

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Since: Apr 09

Spotted World

#11 Feb 13, 2012
Then according to fundies, the Antichrist will take his place. That's the ones who aren't saying he's in DC already.

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#12 Feb 13, 2012
isnt it scheduled for All of us to go in December.
lol

“Kiss Me You Fool!”

Since: Jan 08

Atlanta via Brooklyn NY

#13 Feb 13, 2012
Sounds like the need for another vote by a bunch of old European guys to determine who is God's chosen leader for Catholics.

I can only wait to see who God's choice for the man who gets to wear the biggest and funniest hat will be.

“Kiss Me You Fool!”

Since: Jan 08

Atlanta via Brooklyn NY

#14 Feb 13, 2012
The top marketing director of Maxwell House Coffee manages to arrange a meeting with the Pope at the Vatican.

The Coffee official whispers,'Your Eminence, I have some business to discuss. We at Nescafe have an offer for you. Maxwell House is prepared to donate $100 million to the church . if you change the Prayer from 'Give us this day our daily bread' to 'Give us this day our daily coffee'."

The Pope is angry and shouts, "That is impossible. The Prayer is the word of the Lord, It must not be changed.

" Well," says the Maxwell Houseman somewhat taken aback, "We anticipated this. For this reason, and the importance of the Lord's prayer to all catholics, we will increase our offer to $300 million. All we require is that you change the Lord's Prayer from 'Give us this day our daily bread' to 'Give us this day our daily coffee'."

Again, even more sternly, the Pope replies, "That, my son, is impossible. Finally, the Nescafe director says, "but we do have one final offer. Please discuss it with your cardinals. We will donate $500 million to the great church

The next day the Pope convenes the College of Cardinals. "There is some Good news," he announces, "and some bad news ..... The good news is, he continues to a hushed assembly,' that the Church will get $ 500 million."

"And what is the bad news, your Holiness?" asks a Cardinal.

"Sadly" says the Pope , We would have to lose the Wonder Bread account.

Since: Oct 09

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#15 Feb 13, 2012
Dr Stinko wrote:
I and probably y'all too don't really know enough re the internal workings in the corridors of power of Mother Church to judge how foolish or likely such a plot might be.
Many believe that the Church has over the centuries accomplished great things through acts of total ruthlessness. While I've been to the Vatican, I was not part of the "skeletons in our closet" tour...
If there are any real Vatican Scholars out there, I'd surely be interested in your take(s).
Not as interested, however, in those of you with speculative "opinions".
FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH:

“Monsignors' mutiny" revealed by Vatican leaks
By Philip Pullella | Reuters – 10 hrs ago
VATICAN CITY (Reuters)- Call it Conspiracy City. Call it Scandal City. Call it Leak City. These days the holy city has been in the news for anything but holy reasons.
"It is a total mess," said one high-ranking Vatican official who spoke, like all others, on the condition of anonymity.
The Machiavellian maneuvering and machinations that have come to light in the Vatican recently are worthy of a novel about a sinister power struggle at a medieval court.
Senior church officials interviewed this month said almost daily embarrassments that have put the Vatican on the defensive could force Pope Benedict to act to clean up the image of its administration - at a time when the church faces a deeper crisis of authority and relevance in the wider world.
Some of those sources said the outcome of a power struggle inside the Holy See may even have a longer-term effect, on the choice of the man to succeed Benedict when he dies.
From leaked letters by an archbishop who was transferred after he blew the whistle on what he saw as a web of corruption and cronyism, to a leaked poison pen memo which puts a number of cardinals in a bad light, to new suspicions about its bank, Vatican spokesmen have had their work cut out responding.
The flurry of leaks has come at an embarrassing time - just before a usually joyful ceremony this week known as a consistory, when Benedict will admit more prelates into the College of Cardinals, the exclusive men's club that will one day pick the next Roman Catholic leader from among their own ranks.
"This consistory will be taking place in an atmosphere that is certainly not very glorious or exalting," said one bishop with direct knowledge of Vatican affairs.
The sources agreed that the leaks were part of an internal campaign - a sort of "mutiny of the monsignors" - against the pope's right-hand man, Secretary of State Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone.
Bertone, 77, has a reputation as a heavy-handed administrator and power-broker whose style has alienated many in the Curia, the bureaucracy that runs the central administration of the 1.3 billion-strong Roman Catholic Church.
He came to the job, traditionally occupied by a career diplomat, in 2006 with no experience of working in the church's diplomatic corps, which manages its international relations. Benedict chose him, rather, because he had worked under the future pontiff, then Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, in the Vatican's powerful doctrinal office.
"It's all aimed at Bertone," said a monsignor in a key Vatican department who sympathizes with the secretary of state and who sees the leakers as determined to oust him. "It's very clear that they want to get rid of Bertone."
Vatican sources say the rebels have the tacit backing of a former secretary of state, Cardinal Angelo Sodano, an influential power-broker in his own right and a veteran diplomat who served under the late Pope John Paul II for 15 years.
"The diplomatic wing feels that they are the rightful owners of the Vatican," the monsignor who favors Bertone said.
Sodano and Bertone are not mutual admirers, to put it mildly. Neither has commented publicly on the reports.

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#16 Feb 13, 2012
WHISTLE-BLOWING ARCHBISHOP
The Vatican has been no stranger to controversy in recent years, when uproar over its handling of child sex abuse charges has hampered the church's efforts to stem the erosion of congregations and priestly recruitment in the developed world.
But the latest image crisis could not be closer to home.
It began last month when an Italian television investigative show broadcast private letters to Bertone and the pope from Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano, the former deputy governor of the Vatican City and currently the Vatican ambassador in Washington.
The letters, which the Vatican has confirmed are authentic, showed that Vigano was transferred after he exposed what he argued was a web of corruption, nepotism and cronyism linked to the awarding of contracts to contractors at inflated prices.
As deputy governor of the Vatican City for two years from 2009 to 2011, Vigano was the number two official in a department responsible for maintaining the tiny city-state's gardens, buildings, streets, museums and other infrastructure, which are managed separately from the Italian capital which surrounds it.
In one letter, Vigano writes of a smear campaign against him by other Vatican officials who were upset that he had taken drastic steps to clean up the purchasing procedures and begged to stay in the job to finish what he had started.
Bertone responded by removing Vigano from his position three years before the end of his tenure and sending him to the United States, despite his strong resistance.
Other leaks center on the Vatican bank, just as it is trying to put behind it past scandals - including the collapse 30 years ago of Banco Ambrosiano, which entangled it in lurid allegations about money-laundering, freemasons, mafiosi and the mysterious death of Ambrosiano chairman Roberto Calvi - "God's banker."
Today, the Vatican bank, formally known at the Institute for Works of Religion (IOR), is aiming to comply fully with international norms and has applied for the Vatican's inclusion on the European Commission's approved "white list" of states that meet EU standards for total financial transparency.
Bertone was instrumental in putting the bank's current executives in place and any lingering suspicion about it reflects badly on him. The Commission will decide in June and failure to make the list would be an embarrassment for Bertone.

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#17 Feb 13, 2012
ITALIAN POPE?
Last week, an Italian newspaper that has published some of the leaks ran a bizarre internal Vatican memo that involved one cardinal complaining about another cardinal who spoke about a possible assassination attempt against the pope within 12 months and openly speculated on who the next pope should be.
Bertone's detractors say he has packed the Curia with Italian friends. Some see an attempt to influence the election of the next pope and increase the chances that the papacy returns to Italy after two successive non-Italian popes who have broken what had been an Italian monopoly for over 450 years.
Seven of the 18 new "cardinal electors" -- those aged under 80 eligible to elect a pope -- at this Saturday's consistory are Italian. Six of those work for Bertone in the Curia.
Bertone, as chief administrator, had a key role in advising the pope on the appointments, which raised eyebrows because of the high number of Italian bureaucrats among them.
"There is widespread malaise and delusion about Bertone inside the Curia. It is full of complaints," said the bishop who has close knowledge of Vatican affairs.
"Bertone has had a very brash method of running the Vatican and putting his friends in high places. People could not take it any more and said 'enough' and that is why I think these leaks are coming out now to make him look bad," he said.
POPE "ISOLATED"
Leaked confidential cables sent to the State Department by the U.S. embassy to the Vatican depicted him as a "yes man" with no diplomatic experience or linguistic skills and the 2009 cable suggests that the pope is protected from bad news.
"There is also the question of who, if anyone, brings dissenting views to the pope's attention," read the cable, published by WikiLeaks.
The Vatican sources said some cardinals asked the pope to replace Bertone because of administrative lapses, including the failure to warn the pope that a renegade bishop re-admitted to the Church in 2009 was a well-known Holocaust denier.
But they said the pope, at 84 and increasingly showing the signs of his age, is not eager to break in a new right-hand man.
"It's so complicated and the pope is so helpless," said the monsignor.
The bishop said: "The pope is very isolated. He lives in his own world and some say the information he receives is filtered. He is interested in his books and his sermons but he is not very interested in government."
(Editing by Jon Boyle and Alastair Macdonald)
donkey puncher

Canada

#18 Feb 13, 2012
OneRyder wrote:
Sounds like the need for another vote by a bunch of old European guys to determine who is God's chosen leader for Catholics.
I can only wait to see who God's choice for the man who gets to wear the biggest and funniest hat will be.
JEREMY IRONS!!!!!!
donkey puncher

Canada

#19 Feb 13, 2012
OneRyder wrote:
Sounds like the need for another vote by a bunch of old European guys to determine who is God's chosen leader for Catholics.
I can only wait to see who God's choice for the man who gets to wear the biggest and funniest hat will be.
JEREMY IRONS!!!!

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Nehwon

#20 Feb 13, 2012
Meh. The Vatican is pretty much High School cliques on steroids.

The big difference is that no one would believe the starting football quarterback or lead cheerleader would die of "natural causes."

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#21 Feb 14, 2012
Mitt s Airtight Dog Crate wrote:
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Wait. Have we considered how bad the likely successors might be?
I guess they can't have been Hitler Youth, simply due to the passage of years...but apart from that small mercy all bets are off.
Likely it'll be an Italian. If the Reuters story is to be believed the "murder plot" is just a sideshow to all the goings on within the Vatican walls.

Since: Oct 09

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#22 Feb 14, 2012
An Earlier Reuters Article

Corruption scandal shakes Vatican as internal letters leaked
By Philip Pullella | Reuters – Thu, Jan 26, 2012
VATICAN CITY (Reuters)- The Vatican was shaken by a corruption scandal Thursday after an Italian television investigation said a former top official had been transferred against his will after complaining about irregularities in awarding contracts.
The show "The Untouchables" on the respected private television network La 7 Wednesday night showed what it said were several letters that Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano, who was then deputy-governor of Vatican City, sent to superiors, including Pope Benedict, in 2011 about the corruption.
The Vatican issued a statement Thursday criticizing the "methods" used in the journalistic investigation. But it confirmed that the letters were authentic by expressing "sadness over the publication of reserved documents."
As deputy governor of the Vatican City for two years from 2009 to 2011, Vigano was the number two official in a department responsible for maintaining the tiny city-state's gardens, buildings, streets, museums and other infrastructure.
Vigano, currently the Vatican's ambassador in Washington, said in the letters that when he took the job in 2009 he discovered a web of corruption, nepotism and cronyism linked to the awarding of contracts to outside companies at inflated prices.
In one letter, Vigano tells the pope of a smear campaign against him (Vigano) by other Vatican officials who wanted him transferred because they were upset that he had taken drastic steps to save the Vatican money by cleaning up its procedures.
"Holy Father, my transfer right now would provoke much disorientation and discouragement in those who have believed it was possible to clean up so many situations of corruption and abuse of power that have been rooted in the management of so many departments," Vigano wrote to the pope on March 27, 2011.
In another letter to the pope on April 4, 2011, Vigano says he discovered the management of some Vatican City investments was entrusted to two funds managed by a committee of Italian bankers "who looked after their own interests more than ours."

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