U.S.: Wikileaks founder trying to def...

U.S.: Wikileaks founder trying to deflect attention away from sex case

There are 34 comments on the CBS News story from Aug 20, 2012, titled U.S.: Wikileaks founder trying to deflect attention away from sex case. In it, CBS News reports that:

WASHINGTON - The Obama administration on Monday accused WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange of making "wild assertions" about U.S. persecution to deflect attention from sex allegations he faces questioning for in Sweden.

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“WE never came from Africa!”

Since: Nov 11

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#22 Aug 22, 2012
PeterC wrote:
<quoted text> Ok, where do we start.
Firstly, a " Nonce " by definition used in prison language, means or refers to someone convicted of sexual offences with children or minors. As the 2 females making ridiculous allegations against him are clearly adults, & , as i understand it, both former Wikileaks employees, the term " Nonce ", is stupid.
Secondly, by taking the actions he did, in exposing the Wikileaks material to the World, Julian Assange hardly won himself any friends within Governments, & put him into the situation he finds himself in now. If that is " Seeking Fame ", then its a strange way to go about doing it.
Thirdly, in all cases of " Whistle Blowing ", the person doing it, knows exactly what they are getting themselves into, & very often are doing so out of conscience.It has happened before, when Government employees have taken the decision to reveal sensitive documents etc, & they have ended up in prison because of it.
If Julian Assange had NOT revealed the information given to him by the source to which you refer & now in custody, then that person would have still been imprisoned, but for no reason.
This is why the press & media have a very strict code of NOT revealing their sources when information is given, unless there is a very good ethical & moral reason for doing so.
Finally, you say " Most People " find him a nauseating whining wretch.
In polls conducted for the press & media at the weekend, the following results :
In the UK. 78% for Him . 20% against . 2% Not Sure
In Australia 83% " . 10% " . 7% "
In New York 24% " . 75% " . 1% "
So when you say " Most People ", i assume you are referring to our friends across the pond, because clearly your comments do not apply here.
You have a nice day.
a nonce is any sex offender, like Assange, accused of rape. and who does these polls? was I asked? I suspect they are done amongst the trendy Guardianista set of society, the sort who think it smart to disparage their own country.
PeterC

UK

#23 Aug 22, 2012
DudTenners wrote:
<quoted text>a nonce is any sex offender, like Assange, accused of rape. and who does these polls? was I asked? I suspect they are done amongst the trendy Guardianista set of society, the sort who think it smart to disparage their own country.
Not sure what country you come from, but here in the UK, the term " Nonce ", is as i have described it, or i wouldnt have said it.
The polls were carried out by recognised companies & media, using both verbal & on line surveys.
Why were you not asked.? I have my thoughts, but i guess its simply because you were in the wrong place at the wrong time.
I dont believe anyone thinks its smart to disparage their own country, but how on earth can you defend your own Foreign Office, when they threaten to storm an Embassy, throwing all conventions out of the window, & risking our small embassies around the world. It was insane, & a very dangerous thing to do, & the worst thing is, that the Foreign Secretary actually believed he could do it.!!
Yimmie Krack Korn

Sweden

#24 Aug 22, 2012
PeterC wrote:
<quoted text> I think its important to say here, that when you listen to conversations & people talking about this, no one has a bad word to say about Sweden. If Julian Assange was able to come to Sweden for a fair hearing, without the threat of extradition from America, & he was then charged & found guilty by your courts, then i would be the first to stand up & say he deserves what he got.
But you have to ask yourself 3 simple questions :
1) Why wont America come out & say it WONT apply for extradition.
2) Why have Swedish officials refused to visit the Ecuador embassy.
3) Why did the British Government make such dangerous threats about entering the Ecuador Embassy to arrest him.
The answer to ALL the questions, is because America is the puppet master, pulling our strings. They are smarting over being caught out by Wikileaks, & are now stamping their feet like a petulant child, because they cant get their own way.
I agree whth every you say except the first thing: I critisize my government HARSHLY. But I think that I can answer your 3 questions:

1). Because that is exactly what the US will do - demand (and get) exradiction.

2). Because that would compell my government to a actually discuss "the charges". There is no serious charge of rape or any other crime against Assange. It will go like this ...

* Swedish Court: "Do you solemly swear to tell the truth, nothing but .... so help you God?"

* Julian Assange: "I do."

* SC: "How do you plead?"

* JA: "Innocent.

* SC: "You're free to go! Oh, there's a black, unmarked Cheverolet with US number plates waiting for you outside the court house."

3). Because despite Britain's "best wishes" they must wear the mask of "US cow-tow" for the benefit of on-lookers from across the pond. Don't forget that they have housed Assange all of these months against US wishes - oooops! I mean against "Sweden's wishes". They are actually hoping the Ecuadorians will be clever enough to ge Assange on his way "unnoticed" and so avoid any nasty scene. Later it will be discussed and looked into and "lo and behold" find that the UK would NOT have been able to storm the embassy after all due to "legal complications".

Since: Sep 11

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#25 Aug 22, 2012
PeterC wrote:
<quoted text>
The answer to ALL the questions, is because America is the puppet master, pulling our strings. They are smarting over being caught out by Wikileaks, & are now stamping their feet like a petulant child, because they cant get their own way.
In what way was America "caught out" by wikileaks? The "collateral murder" video showed the consequences of poor choices made by journalists who chose to walk openly with armed insurgents in an active war zone and of a father who chose to take his daughters into the same situation.It is foolish to relieve these people of responsibility for their own actions and brand U.S. soldiers monsters simply because you opposed the war itself.It is equally foolish to regard as heroic the treasonous actions of bradley manning or of julian assange for taking advantage of and profiting by that treason.
Mike

Australia

#26 Aug 22, 2012
Hugh Janus wrote:
<quoted text>of course he is. he is running away from a rape charge. he belongs in the Sex Offender's wing in prison. he should have applied to South Africa, rape capital of the world. It isn't even a crime there, just like in Pakistan. In S Africa it is done for medical reasons, in pakistan for religious reasons.
What a load of rot, would the British govt consider entering a foreign embassy in an hostile manner over a alleged sexual assault.. No. They're being leaned on by the us in order to obtain an extradition. To charge JA with what? Treason, I've read..Heads up.. He's not American. Only the Aussie govt can legitimately charge him with this offence. He's not running away, wake up.
Mike

Australia

#27 Aug 22, 2012
Hey wasn't America founded by a pack of treasonous bastards looking to get out from under the British rule? Didn't they do what they believed to be right instead of what their governing body told them to do? Isn't it the right of every American to be clueless and kept in the dark if they so desire?

Since: Sep 11

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#28 Aug 22, 2012
Yimmie Krack Korn wrote:
<quoted text>
And a very smart move by the embassy of Ecuador it was too.
In doing so they made it clear that the two issues should not be linked, and .......... by the U.S. government's (and mine) unwillingness to take up the discussion, they have (by default) admitted that extradition is at the heart of the matter - JUST AS WE HAVE BEEN SAYING ALL ALONG!
But it isn't the U.S. or Sweden that are linking the issues...it is assange and his supporters doing that. Why should the United States go on record saying they will not seek to extradite assange when the trial of bradley manning,where any evidence of conspiracy between the two would be given, doesn't start until September? Like it or not,mannings actions in releasing classified documents WAS a crime and doing so as an active member of the military during a war makes it a capitol crime.assange rightly fears being brought to justice should it be proven that he played any active role in mannings treason.Conspiracy theories about persecution,false rape charges and unsubstantiated claims about extradition on charges that haven't even been made speak more to guilt than innocence.
Mike

Australia

#29 Aug 22, 2012
RkinsawJoe wrote:
<quoted text> But it isn't the U.S. or Sweden that are linking the issues...it is assange and his supporters doing that. Why should the United States go on record saying they will not seek to extradite assange when the trial of bradley manning,where any evidence of conspiracy between the two would be given, doesn't start until September? Like it or not,mannings actions in releasing classified documents WAS a crime and doing so as an active member of the military during a war makes it a capitol crime.assange rightly fears being brought to justice should it be proven that he played any active role in mannings treason.Conspiracy theories about persecution,false rape charges and unsubstantiated claims about extradition on charges that haven't even been made speak more to guilt than innocence.
Ok as JA's not a us citizen and therefore not guilty of treason by pure definition. Shouldn't they just thank JA for demonstrating how easily there security measures were undermined by their own. State clearly they won't extradite and allow Sweden to proceed on their own? basically walk away and conduct their case against their own. Manning knew what Wiki leaks does? It's clear he's responsible for providing the information. JA didn't enter any military base or the pentagon. Further if there's no link why would the British gov even consider entering a foreign embassy in a hostile manner over a alleged sexual assault case when it occurred in Sweden. No formal charges have been laid. You seriously believe it's link, ok good luck with that
Mike

Australia

#30 Aug 22, 2012
Should say you seriously believe there's NO link. Again good luck with that
Raspberry Ripples

London, UK

#31 Aug 22, 2012
PeterC wrote:
<quoted text> Not sure what country you come from, but here in the UK, the term " Nonce ", is as i have described it, or i wouldnt have said it.
The polls were carried out by recognised companies & media, using both verbal & on line surveys.
Why were you not asked.? I have my thoughts, but i guess its simply because you were in the wrong place at the wrong time.
I dont believe anyone thinks its smart to disparage their own country, but how on earth can you defend your own Foreign Office, when they threaten to storm an Embassy, throwing all conventions out of the window, & risking our small embassies around the world. It was insane, & a very dangerous thing to do, & the worst thing is, that the Foreign Secretary actually believed he could do it.!!
NONCE is short for "nonsense crime" - a crime that has no monetary reward, ie , a sex crime, so Assange is anonce

“Pax Quaeritur Bello”

Since: Feb 12

ENGLAND

#32 Aug 22, 2012
Mike wrote:
Ok as JA's not a us citizen and therefore not guilty of treason by pure definition. Shouldn't they just thank JA for demonstrating how easily there security measures were undermined by their own.
As a Westerner with a certain amount of freedoms that he wouldn't get from the West's enemies, he's definitely guilty of being an utter dick who should be put down before he can put his genes into the next generation.

The only thing he should be thanked for is for coaxing communist snakes like yourself out of the woodwork.
Yimmie Krack Korn

Sweden

#33 Aug 22, 2012
Mike wrote:
<quoted text>
What a load of rot, would the British govt consider entering a foreign embassy in an hostile manner over a alleged sexual assault.. No. They're being leaned on by the us in order to obtain an extradition. To charge JA with what? Treason, I've read..Heads up.. He's not American. Only the Aussie govt can legitimately charge him with this offence. He's not running away, wake up.
Correct. Correct. And correct again. Top marks.
Yimmie Krack Korn

Sweden

#34 Aug 22, 2012
RkinsawJoe wrote:
<quoted text> But it isn't the U.S. or Sweden that are linking the issues...it is assange and his supporters doing that.
Sweden is seeking extradition for Assange because he had "sex without a condom". Neither he, nor the two women in question have contracted any sexually transmittable illnesses what-so-ever. Still, an international APB has been issued by Sweden for his "capture". If you can link me to some sort of "standard procedure" for "condomless sex" then I'll take my hat off to you and consent. Until then, this thing stinks of "conspiracy".

By the way, we in Sweden do not give up even the most dangerous criminals to any country where the death penalty is possible, unless guarantees by that country state that the subject WILL NOT be subjected to capital punishment. It seems fair to me that another nation might demand certain guarantees from us.
wikiweasels

UK

#35 Aug 23, 2012
I wish we could send him to Zimbabwe or a similar hellhole. he is too near Harrods for my liking. Does he have access to "women of a certain type"?

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