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ISTANBUL: Armenia turns away from politics of genocide, embraces realpolitik

There are 65 comments on the Groong story from Mar 12, 2012, titled ISTANBUL: Armenia turns away from politics of genocide, embraces realpolitik. In it, Groong reports that:

Today's Zaman, Turkey March 11 2012 Armenia turns away from politics of genocide, begins to embrace realpolitik by Mehmet Fatih Ã-ztarsu* 11 March 2012 / The recent cancellation of a genocide bill that had occupied the French national agenda for around three months sparked not only negative reactions from Armenia but also talk that the outcome ... (more)

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sariyerli neco

Wroclaw, Poland

#48 Mar 19, 2012
Dander wrote:
OKUZ
this is from your BIBLE TAT
You gave it as an Austrian eyewitness Stephan Shnider.
Did you really read it?
or just copy pasted it, as you always do like an idiot?
"My relationship with the Turks was good enough to also discuss with them this difficult issue that nearly no European dared to bring up. The Turkish attitude strengthened my conviction that the Armenian people were innocent and the Turks were to blame for everything. Because again and again, with a nod of dismissal, each Turk whom I had asked for information in regards to the pros and cons of the Armenian issue, answered:“Yes, all is true what people say about us. We killed a million Armenians; it was a terrible bloodbath, but we were justified in doing so and are only accountable to ourselves for that.” I was not successful in finding out further details of the reasons for these terrible acts.""
it is 100 years of running long show, it called 3 wise monkeys

Main character: Turkey
Cast: Turkey
Acting: triple

truther

“truth hurts”

Since: Aug 09

NOVA

#49 Mar 19, 2012
sariyerli neco wrote:
<quoted text>
you rather copy and paste from other sources as your own opinion, it is nothing wrong to paste and copy from diferrent sources but presenting it as your own words something that I wouldn't do it personally!
it is not my concern wheter some fellow hatred and prejudiced Turks to take me seriously or not, i'm not bother about that at all. you don't want to take somebody serious then you simply don't correspond with that person, it is all that simple isn't it?
if you don't give a chit why then you keep asking me wheter I'm Armenian or not? it was you who brought up this issue about my ethnicity weren't you?
Chit??? Wow there is only one person on this forum who writes chit over and over again, Alana Kalana project, a foul-mouthed racist Armen who claims to be a lady when he/she gets a mouthful garbage like he/she dishes out. And now he/she is claiming to be a Turk. Get outta here alana, and choose and identity and stick with it, better yet grow a brain. And chitttt, u aint no sista u hoe.

Since: Sep 09

ISTANBUL

#51 Mar 20, 2012
Dander wrote:
OKUZ
this is from your BIBLE TAT
You gave it as an Austrian eyewitness Stephan Shnider.
Did you really read it?
or just copy pasted it, as you always do like an idiot?
"My relationship with the Turks was good enough to also discuss with them this difficult issue that nearly no European dared to bring up. The Turkish attitude strengthened my conviction that the Armenian people were innocent and the Turks were to blame for everything. Because again and again, with a nod of dismissal, each Turk whom I had asked for information in regards to the pros and cons of the Armenian issue, answered:“Yes, all is true what people say about us. We killed a million Armenians; it was a terrible bloodbath, but we were justified in doing so and are only accountable to ourselves for that.” I was not successful in finding out further details of the reasons for these terrible acts.""
OHH what a wonderful evident and eyewitness you have found..

heheheh

But this eyewithness is your end I think..

hehehe

heheheeh
Was he a Turk too...
heheheehhehe

HJ Pravitz.
By Hj Pravitz, Nya Dagligt Allehanda, 23 April, 1917

Hj Pravitz takes a deeper look at the statements that had previously been made by Mrs. Marika Stjernstedt, in Nya Dagligt Allehanda, a Swedish Newspaper published in the period 1859-1944.

In Aleppo, I lived by the Armenian Baron, the owner of a large hotel.

He did not tell me about any Turkish cruelties, although we talked a lot about the situation of his fellow citizens.

We also talked about Djemal Pasha, who would come the day after and with whom I would meet.

Baron expressed himself very positively about this man, who by the way, least of all seemed like an executioner.

In Aleppo, I hired an Armenian servant, who then during a couple of months was my daily company.

Not a word has he told me about Turkish cruelties, neither in Aleppo nor in his home town of Marash or elsewhere.

I must unconditionally believe in exaggerations from Mrs. Stjernstedt's side and I do not put one bit of confidence in the Armenian authorities she claims to refer to.

On page 44, Mrs. Stjernstedt writes about (the town of) Meskene and an Armenian doctor Turoyan.

I was in Meskene right when he was supposed to have been there. I looked carefully around everywhere for historical landmarks, since Alexander the great crossed the Euphrates (river) here, and the old testament also talks about this place.

There was not a sign of Armenian graves and not of any Armenians either, except for my just mentioned servant.

I consider Mr. Turayan's evidence very questionable, and I even dare to doubt that this man, if he exists, was ever there during the mentioned time.

If the conditions in Meskene really were as he claims, will anyone then believe that the suspicious Turks would have sent an Armenian up there with a "mission from the government"?

For fourteen days, I followed the Euphrates; it is completely out of the question that I during this time would not have seen at least some of the Armenian corpses that, according to Mrs. Stjernstedt's statements, should have drifted along the river en masse at that time.

A travel companion of mine, Dr. Schacht, was also travelling along the river.

He also had nothing to tell when we later met in Baghdad.

In summary, I think that Mrs. Stjernstedt, somewhat uncritically, has accepted the hair-raising stories from more or less biased sources, which formed the basis for her lecture.

By this, I do not want to deny the bad situation for the Armenians, which probably can motivate the collection initialized by Mrs. Stjernstedt.

But I do want to, as far as it can be considered to be within the powers of an eyewitness, deny that the regular Turkish gendarme forces, who supervised the transports, are guilty of any cruelties.

Later on, in a different format, I want to impartially and neutrally like now treat the Armenian issue, but at the moment, may the adduced be enough.

Rättvik, April 1917

Since: Sep 09

ISTANBUL

#52 Mar 20, 2012
sariyerli neco wrote:
<quoted text>
it is 100 years of running long show, it called 3 wise monkeys
Main character: Turkey
Cast: Turkey
Acting: triple
Hey asagilik duygusundan ölecek olan hain müsfeddesi,
Senin durumunu anliyorum merak etme.
Türklere hicbir sey yapamayacaginin bilinciyle icin icin yanip kül oluyorsun.
Eeee maalesef allah büyük ve senin gibileri icin icin nefretle yakarak yokediyor.

heheheh

Q: Why Armenians reject to open their National Archives?

A: Because they want to hide the Truth, they know Armenians massacred the Turks, while we are in the war, Turks just replaced Armenians out from Turkey and Both side National Archives shows Armenian population was not even 1 Million.

Armenian says 1.5 Million killed..

Do you know that you need 5000 mass graves in order to kill 1.5 Million!.... Only stupid believes armenians.

Turks found mass graves all over the country belong to Turks who massacred by Armenians, Turkish government publish the places and the pictures, Armenians have no shame to copy this pictures and use this pictures to change some countries opinion..

Q: Why Armenians reject to check the mass graves in Turkey and they don't even send scientists, they refuse to open together?

A: Armenians refuse to point graves, if they point one they refuse to send scientists.

They will be shamed to say they are Armenians, they shamed to show their real face to the World, World will see that Armenians Massacred the Turks. Half of the French army was Armenian and lots of Armenian in Russian army as well.

Q: What is Midnight Express and Ararat film?

A: This film made by Armenians, the players was ugliest people you can see in this world, Guess what who was the players, all players was Armenians.

The purpose is just damage the Turkeys reputation.

Ararat film same all Lie just to brainwash Armenians, Armenians the one who killed babies, raped girls, killed pregnant women and they say Turks did it on Movie, This is a Movie and Stupid Armenians believe it, Movie is not Truth, Truth is at Mass Graves in Turkey...

They also claim some countries recognized genocide, some of the countries in Africa doesn't know even where the Turkey is and France has lots of Armenians who got kicked out from Turkey... Think...

Q: What Armenians shows at Internet?

A: They show their own people to change the Truth. TRUTH IS UNDER GROUND AT MASS GRAVES IN TURKEY... THEY JUST RUN AWAY AND REFUSE TO OPEN MASS GRAVES IN TURKEY.. LAST WEEK TURKEY JUST OPEN ONE GRAVE THAT ARMENIANS WAS CLAIMING BELONG TO THEM, GUESS WHAT YESTERDAY OPENED THE GRAVES WITH NEWS AND IT WAS BELONG TO ROMANS..

Q: WHY TURKS JUST REPLACED ARMENIANS?

A: ARMENIANS WERE BETRAYERS, THEY TERRORIZED THE TURKS AND KILLED INNOCENT PEOPLE WOMEN KIDS Babies, Raped Girls, while we were in war at 4 corner of Empire.

You can't change the the truth...INTERNET will show to world what really happened, INTERNET will show what really Armenians did, NOW people will listen both side..

Turks said enough is enough, we will start to tell the truth and talk...
Dander

Whitemark, Australia

#53 Mar 20, 2012
OKUZ
Dr Steiner is your witness in TAT, you fk head.

Did you really read it?
or just copy pasted it like an idiot?

"My relationship with the Turks was good enough to also discuss with them this difficult issue that nearly no European dared to bring up. The Turkish attitude strengthened my conviction that the Armenian people were innocent and the Turks were to blame for everything. Because again and again, with a nod of dismissal, each Turk whom I had asked for information in regards to the pros and cons of the Armenian issue, answered:“Yes, all is true what people say about us. We killed a million Armenians; it was a terrible bloodbath, but we were justified in doing so and are only accountable to ourselves for that.” I was not successful in finding out further details of the reasons for these terrible acts.""

Since: Sep 09

ISTANBUL

#54 Mar 20, 2012
Dander wrote:
OKUZ
Dr Steiner is your witness in TAT, you fk head.
Did you really read it?
or just copy pasted it like an idiot?
"My relationship with the Turks was good enough to also discuss with them this difficult issue that nearly no European dared to bring up. The Turkish attitude strengthened my conviction that the Armenian people were innocent and the Turks were to blame for everything. Because again and again, with a nod of dismissal, each Turk whom I had asked for information in regards to the pros and cons of the Armenian issue, answered:“Yes, all is true what people say about us. We killed a million Armenians; it was a terrible bloodbath, but we were justified in doing so and are only accountable to ourselves for that.” I was not successful in finding out further details of the reasons for these terrible acts.""
OHH what a wonderful evident and eyewitness you have found..

heheheh

But this eyewithness is your end I think..

hehehe

heheheeh
Was he a Turk too...
heheheehhehe

HJ Pravitz.
By Hj Pravitz, Nya Dagligt Allehanda, 23 April, 1917

Hj Pravitz takes a deeper look at the statements that had previously been made by Mrs. Marika Stjernstedt, in Nya Dagligt Allehanda, a Swedish Newspaper published in the period 1859-1944.

In Aleppo, I lived by the Armenian Baron, the owner of a large hotel.

He did not tell me about any Turkish cruelties, although we talked a lot about the situation of his fellow citizens.

We also talked about Djemal Pasha, who would come the day after and with whom I would meet.

Baron expressed himself very positively about this man, who by the way, least of all seemed like an executioner.

In Aleppo, I hired an Armenian servant, who then during a couple of months was my daily company.

Not a word has he told me about Turkish cruelties, neither in Aleppo nor in his home town of Marash or elsewhere.

I must unconditionally believe in exaggerations from Mrs. Stjernstedt's side and I do not put one bit of confidence in the Armenian authorities she claims to refer to.

On page 44, Mrs. Stjernstedt writes about (the town of) Meskene and an Armenian doctor Turoyan.

I was in Meskene right when he was supposed to have been there. I looked carefully around everywhere for historical landmarks, since Alexander the great crossed the Euphrates (river) here, and the old testament also talks about this place.

There was not a sign of Armenian graves and not of any Armenians either, except for my just mentioned servant.

I consider Mr. Turayan's evidence very questionable, and I even dare to doubt that this man, if he exists, was ever there during the mentioned time.

If the conditions in Meskene really were as he claims, will anyone then believe that the suspicious Turks would have sent an Armenian up there with a "mission from the government"?

For fourteen days, I followed the Euphrates; it is completely out of the question that I during this time would not have seen at least some of the Armenian corpses that, according to Mrs. Stjernstedt's statements, should have drifted along the river en masse at that time.

A travel companion of mine, Dr. Schacht, was also travelling along the river.

He also had nothing to tell when we later met in Baghdad.

In summary, I think that Mrs. Stjernstedt, somewhat uncritically, has accepted the hair-raising stories from more or less biased sources, which formed the basis for her lecture.

By this, I do not want to deny the bad situation for the Armenians, which probably can motivate the collection initialized by Mrs. Stjernstedt.

But I do want to, as far as it can be considered to be within the powers of an eyewitness, deny that the regular Turkish gendarme forces, who supervised the transports, are guilty of any cruelties.

Later on, in a different format, I want to impartially and neutrally like now treat the Armenian issue, but at the moment, may the adduced be enough.

Rättvik, April 1917

“Lamb of God”

Since: Feb 12

Location hidden

#57 Mar 20, 2012
tur kiss, zani barbara..why do you ignore me women..do you need permission from your master to reply to my posts..is it true you are moslem..islamist..is the reason you big mouth is shut..because you agree that the bastard Mohammed is a pedophile..i believe you are weak & can not think or understand..you hide behind your apron girls..one day your pasha will show you affection & then cut your head off & spit down your throat..you cowards

Since: Sep 09

ISTANBUL

#59 Mar 21, 2012
HillBillyNY wrote:
because you agree that the bastard Mohammed is a pedophile.
Look who is talking...?My virtual bitch

At least Mohammed the Prophed lived..

Nor like Fictious Jesus....

hahahahaaha

Who was the father of fictious Jesus?
Fictious God?

Fictious Peter,Paul?

or Roman neighbour ?

Donald Duck?

Fictious Gabriel?

hahahaahahaaha

MuhammedS mother and father are known, at least..

hahahaahah

In his religion there was only one book..The Holy Kuran-i Kerim...

Not 35 Bibles...hahahahahahahaha

No Nicea(Iznik Council priests throwed the names of the 35 Bible up and decided about the 3 last stands on the table""

hahahahaahaha haahahahaah

Luca
Johanna
Matta
Marcos

hahahaah

Who was Barnabas?

Was he real Jesus?

or

Was Jesus a fake character like Shroud Of Turin ?
Were his name and character fabricated by Petros..

Does this Petros have any relations with the Mikonos Miss Petros the raped Pelican ?

hahahahah

Muhammed the Prophed advised ""not to warship against any sculptures or paintings

"""
How many crying Madonna Paintings did you have in last 2000 years?

4.500?

Oh no.. Does Vatican have a Blood Crying Madonna or Jesus factory?

hahahahahah

why do you keep eating Jesus's meat flesh and drinking his blood?

Are christans cannibals and Vampires?

hahahahaha
hahahahahaahhahaaha

A religion of love,Christianity ?
hahahaha

But if your religion is a love religion;

Tell me moron;

-Why did you kill, south american INCA AZTEC MAYa nations for gold.Were pizarro Cortez and Other Spanish and Porteqese conquistador

-Why did you kill protestants in 30 years religion wars in europe

-Why did you kill Protestants in 100years war,

-Why did you kill protestants in t.Bartholemy night in 1500s

-Why did you kill 6 millions of Jews in death camps in 2WW

-Why did you kill Middle eastren 1.250.000 moslems in 11 Crusades

-Why did you kill 50 Millions of people in Europe and Asia during the 1. and 2. World wars,
-Why did you kill 22.000Polish soldiers in Katyn Forest in 1944,

-Why did you kill 350.000 Bosnians in 1990s infront of the ""Civilized Europens for 3 years with snypers

-Why did you kill Algerians by France army after the 2WW,

-Why did you kill 40 millions of north american indians in USA 200 years one by one,

-Why did you kill 250.000 Japanese people with the Nuke bombs after a finished war just for the revenge of pearl Harbour,

-Why did you kill 12.500.000 Vietnam people in 1960s amd 70s
Australian Aborgines.

-Why did you kill Anatolian Muslims during the your""Asia Minor disaster period""

-Why did you kill Makedonians in Greece after the 2WW..

Since: Jun 11

Kiev, Ukraine

#60 Mar 21, 2012
HillBillyNY wrote:
tur kiss, zani barbara..why do you ignore me women..do you need permission from your master to reply to my posts..is it true you are moslem..islamist..is the reason you big mouth is shut..because you agree that the bastard Mohammed is a pedophile..i believe you are weak & can not think or understand..you hide behind your apron girls..one day your pasha will show you affection & then cut your head off & spit down your throat..you cowards
You are full of phantasies aren't you ?
Armen

Glendale, CA

#61 Mar 21, 2012
Zanzibar wrote:
<quoted text>
You are full of phantasies aren't you ?
Hey low class turd go fuuuuSsuck yourself

“Lamb of God”

Since: Feb 12

Location hidden

#62 Mar 21, 2012
hey zani barbara..your english sucks..you homosexuals belong in a different forum with your own kind..you are so guilty of your horific history you can't just leave us alone..live with your guilt or die with it..just piss off wanker..

truther

“truth hurts”

Since: Aug 09

NOVA

#64 Mar 21, 2012
HillBillyNY wrote:
hey zani barbara..your english sucks..you homosexuals belong in a different forum with your own kind..you are so guilty of your horific history you can't just leave us alone..live with your guilt or die with it..just piss off wanker..
hey i heard hillbillies give good rim jobs, u mind hookin up danders old gay ass with one?

Since: Jun 11

Kirovograd, Ukraine

#65 Mar 21, 2012
HillBillyNY wrote:
hey zani barbara..your english sucks..you homosexuals belong in a different forum with your own kind..you are so guilty of your horific history you can't just leave us alone..live with your guilt or die with it..just piss off wanker..
You have a dirty mind.

Since: Aug 08

Yerevan, Armenia

#66 Mar 22, 2012
truther wrote:
<quoted text>
hey i heard hillbillies give good rim jobs, u mind hookin up danders old gay ass with one?
That would be your sisterbrother.

truther

“truth hurts”

Since: Aug 09

NOVA

#67 Mar 22, 2012
Shant wrote:
<quoted text>
That would be your sisterbrother.
or u could simply say siblings, here is your new word for the day

Since: Sep 09

ISTANBUL

#68 Mar 23, 2012
HillBillyNY wrote:
hey zani barbara..your english sucks..you homosexuals belong in a different forum with your own kind..you are so guilty of your horific history you can't just leave us alone..live with your guilt or die with it..just piss off wanker..
"19 Coutries recognised the Fcukken Genocide thesis""

Look;
Another Lie..
Recognation of Genocide Bullshit by the Countries..

hehehe

See the Reality..

-Recognition of Armenian Genocide by Argentina - 1985

the Buenos Aires City Council decided Tuesday to include the teaching of the Armenian Genocide in the general curriculum for its public schools.
Not Officaly approved by the Parliement..

-Recognition of Armenian Genocide by Australia...Only South Wales Parliement

The New South Wales Parliament Thursday unanimously passed a Motion commemorating and condemning the 1915 Genocide of the Armenians by the Ottoman Turkish Government, which began in earnest on 24 April, the eve of the Australia and New Zealand Army Corps landings in Gallipoli.

-Belgium

18 June 1987 concerning a "political solution to the Armenian Question," recognized that the Armenians living in Turkey in 1915 were the victims of a genocide perpetrated by the Ottoman government of the time;

Just a sweet for the Liarmenian Mouths.Nothing Turkish

-Recognition of Armenian Genocide by Canada - 1996

It is alie..No resolution just BULLSHIT
-Recognition of Armenian Genocide by Chile - 2007

No resolution just Bullshit

-Recognition of Armenian Genocide by Pseudo Southern Cyprus - 1982

It is normal for the Southern Cypriots.According to them Klingons and Cylons have been killed by the Turks too...

-England.

No resolution or recognization just Bullshit
-Recognition of Armenian Genocide by England

No resolution only Archbishop of Canterbury to Introduce Genocide Bill to British House of Lords

-Recognition of Armenian Genocide by the European Union..

-EU hasn't recognize only European Parliement with only 34 votes in 550...
-European Court of Justice has rejected this resolution in 2003 and 2004.
Armenians said""It was a political issue and it may change every minute,the Parliement should change the bill and make it a compulsory matter for the entrance of turkey to EU BUT REJECTED..heheheh

-Recognition of Armenian Genocide by France - 1998French Parliament Commission Approves Genocide Bill.""""W hile the French president explained that they don't see the recognition for the Armenian Genocide as a pre-condition for Turkey's accession to the European Union, he, however, insisted on Turkey's reviewing of its past."""" "
-Recognition of Armenian Genocide by Germany - 2005 is a lie

-Recognition of Armenian Genocide by Greece

It is normal ,according to Greeks every single lost war in the history was a massacre and genocide..

-Recognition of Armenian Genocide by Holland
NO recognition only a warnimg to Turkey..

-Recognition of Armenian Genocide by Italy
Milano City wit %3 members of the City Parliement

-Recognition of Armenian Genocide by Kurdistan hahahahah

What is Kurdistan :))

-Recognition of Armenian Genocide by Lebanon

The resolution, presented by the parliament executive, calls on all Lebanese citizens to unite with the Armenian people on April 24” in commemorating the atrocities of 1915-1923.-

-Recognition of Armenian Genocide by Lithuania - 2005

No resolution

-Recognition of Armenian Genocide by Poland - 2005

No Resolution just a warning

The bill will be sent to the Senate for approval as well.
The Polish Foreign Ministry lobbied against the passage of the bill.

-Recognition of Armenian Genocide by Russia

The State Duma of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation:
Condemns the perpetrators of the extermination of Armenians from 1915 to 1922;

Expresses its deep sympathy to the Armenian people and recognizes April 24 as a day of remembrance for the victims of the Genocide.
Means just Nothing

Since: Aug 08

Yerevan, Armenia

#69 Mar 23, 2012
to all fkhead turds, stop spamming

Since: Jun 11

Lutsk, Ukraine

#70 Mar 23, 2012
Shant wrote:
to all fkhead turds, stop spamming
Stop talking to yourself

Since: Aug 08

Yerevan, Armenia

#71 Mar 23, 2012
I am talking to you and all fkhead turds in this forum
Zanzibar wrote:
<quoted text>
Stop talking to yourself

Since: Jun 11

Lutsk, Ukraine

#72 Mar 23, 2012
Shant wrote:
I am talking to you and all fkhead turds in this forum
<quoted text>
How rude and vulgar... Do you sometimes sniff adhesives at deserted places ?

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