France: Islamists seeking to avenge death of Muslim shooter

Apr 6, 2012 Full story: www.usatoday.com 228

France's interior minister says some Islamist groups in France want to avenge the death of a Muslim radical, who the government says was responsible for the killing of seven people in a shooting spree in the country's south ...

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#209 Apr 21, 2012
ronan wrote:
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The international community has mostly stay silent at the invasion and occupation of some Muslim countries, and the West is heavily involved in destabilising other Muslim countries.
I don't think the international community can preache moderation to religious leaders and fanatics after it endorsed the events of the last 10 years ion the Middle East.
The western Nations especilly America have supported many dictators in the middle east, the greed of the western nations for oil is unsatiable. No one can defend the meddeling by the CIA and others, you only have to look back a few years to the British goverment cosying up to Gadaffi in the hope of getting more oil, they even let a mass murderur loose to gain favour. It didnt take them long though to switch sides when they saw they could gain more from the other faction. but have you noticed how just as in Afganistan, local war lords have siezed power and are now growing beautiful fields of poppies to suppliment their income.
Every one knows the reason for invading Afganistan. the Taliban supported terrorism and it was from here the attacks on the twin towers was concieved and launched, that was an act of war, if nothing was done what other attrocities would stem from there.
The attack on Iraque however, is a different matter, That was purely and simply for oil. Something had to be done about Sadam, he was murdering whole comunities. But It should have been left to the Arab nations to solve the problem.
I ask again, do you approve of the actions of the Muslim countries who are Persecuting others? Two wrongs do not make a right.
ronan

UK

#210 Apr 21, 2012
taffman wrote:
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The religious persecution in countries like Saudi, Iran , Pakistan, Egypt and others should concern us all, there is no defence for such behavior,
There may be no excuse for the intolerance in these countries, but the Western countries are quite comfortable to be allied with Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, regardless of the vioelences perpetrated there in the name of Islam.

Saudi Arabia has US military bases on its territory, and is largely armed by the West, with Britain among its suppliers.

I don't hear any condenmation coming from Washington or Westminster regarding the status of women there, the application of sharia law, the public execution, etc... Saudi is after all an absolute monarchy, very corrupt, with no democratic system, arbitrary courts, etc... The US want a foothold there to control the region and have access to oil, and Britain is jousting with other countries for defense contracts.

The US and Britain also endorse Pakistan for strategic reasons, and don't raise a voice about some medieval and frankly barbaric practices going on there, do they?

Iran is different, it falls in the 'enemy' camp after decades of demonisation, and is blamed for everything anyway. Sharia law is condenmed there (unlike Saudi) and public executions, lack of democracy, etc...

Egypt is in turmoil and no one can get a clear picture of where the country is heading.
MAX

Europe

#211 Apr 21, 2012
ronan wrote:
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I repeat what I said: there are more Europeans/Westerners converting to Islam than Muslims becoming Christians.
They say a minimum of 20,000 US citizen (white) convert every year. Statistics in UK are roughly the same.
I don't think there are as many Muslins becoming Christian in the Middle east.
Prosilitism is banned by law in some Muslim countries, but it isn't in the West. You cannot expect every countries to have the same laws. We cannot, in the West,expect to live in a liberal society and then object to diversity, multi-culturalism and different religions; that wouldn't make sense.
LIES!Europeans aren't converting to islam.But the muslims in Europe are leaving Islam either for atheism or christianity.
USA has black,ex prisoner muslim converts not whites.Stop saying lies
ronan

UK

#212 Apr 21, 2012
MAX wrote:
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LIES!Europeans aren't converting to islam.But the muslims in Europe are leaving Islam either for atheism or christianity.
USA has black,ex prisoner muslim converts not whites.Stop saying lies
Many Westerners are converting to Islam, that you like it or not.

In fact, the rate of conversion has increase since 9/11, and the injust wars waged on 2 Muslim countries. US and UK invasion of 2 Muslim countries seems to have been a magnet for conversions.

Even Tony Blair's siter-in-law became a Muslim!
la fouine

Surabaya, Indonesia

#213 Apr 22, 2012
Hmm I bet Muslims are laughing ferociously watching a white European defends them and badmouthing his own people. Congrats you're granted 72 angels, Ronan.
kentaki shuttleworth

UK

#214 Apr 22, 2012
taffman wrote:
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The western Nations especilly America have supported many dictators in the middle east, the greed of the western nations for oil is unsatiable. No one can defend the meddeling by the CIA and others, you only have to look back a few years to the British goverment cosying up to Gadaffi in the hope of getting more oil, they even let a mass murderur loose to gain favour. It didnt take them long though to switch sides when they saw they could gain more from the other faction. but have you noticed how just as in Afganistan, local war lords have siezed power and are now growing beautiful fields of poppies to suppliment their income.
Every one knows the reason for invading Afganistan. the Taliban supported terrorism and it was from here the attacks on the twin towers was concieved and launched, that was an act of war, if nothing was done what other attrocities would stem from there.
The attack on Iraque however, is a different matter, That was purely and simply for oil. Something had to be done about Sadam, he was murdering whole comunities. But It should have been left to the Arab nations to solve the problem.
I ask again, do you approve of the actions of the Muslim countries who are Persecuting others? Two wrongs do not make a right.
just a simple question here as you mention the invasion of iraq solely for the oil - which countries/companies have greatly benefitted from the oil available ?
la fouine

Surabaya, Indonesia

#215 Apr 22, 2012
ronan wrote:
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Even Tony Blair's siter-in-law became a Muslim!
So what? Does that add to your considerations of converting to Islam?
Shams Pahlavi of Iran converted to Christianity but no media exposed it. Surely media today is filled with propagandas.
ronan

UK

#216 Apr 22, 2012
la fouine wrote:
Hmm I bet Muslims are laughing ferociously watching a white European defends them and badmouthing his own people. Congrats you're granted 72 angels, Ronan.
I am not taking side and I am not bad-mouthing anyone.

If you can't accept facts, that's your problem.

Islam is just the fastest growing religion in the world, that you like it or not.

Particularly, it attacts many Westerners disafranchised from Christianity and in need of spirituality.

And that statement doesn't make me a Muslim either, so you can stop that line of attack.

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#217 Apr 22, 2012
ronan wrote:
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Many Westerners are converting to Islam, that you like it or not.
In fact, the rate of conversion has increase since 9/11, and the injust wars waged on 2 Muslim countries. US and UK invasion of 2 Muslim countries seems to have been a magnet for conversions.
Even Tony Blair's siter-in-law became a Muslim!
You mean a mere drop in the bucket. Many westerners are not converting to islam in droves.

Dream on.
ronan

UK

#218 Apr 22, 2012
Naturally Wired wrote:
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You mean a mere drop in the bucket. Many westerners are not converting to islam in droves.
Dream on.
Between 30,000 and 50,000 in Britain alone every year, dependeding to sources.

I remember reading the same number for the USA.

Tell me which religion beat that rate of conversion...
la fouine

Indonesia

#219 Apr 22, 2012
ronan wrote:
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I am not taking side and I am not bad-mouthing anyone.
If you can't accept facts, that's your problem.
Islam is just the fastest growing religion in the world, that you like it or not.
Particularly, it attacts many Westerners disafranchised from Christianity and in need of spirituality.
And that statement doesn't make me a Muslim either, so you can stop that line of attack.
Read carefully what I posted. Who says I can't accept facts? If Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world, so what? Does that make it the best? Or does that add to your consideration in converting to Islam?

Beliebers (Bieber fans) are the fastest growing singer fanbase in the world, does that make you want to idolize him? Nonsense.
ronan

UK

#220 Apr 23, 2012
la fouine wrote:
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Read carefully what I posted. Who says I can't accept facts? If Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world, so what? Does that make it the best? Or does that add to your consideration in converting to Islam?
Beliebers (Bieber fans) are the fastest growing singer fanbase in the world, does that make you want to idolize him? Nonsense.
I never said that Islam was the best religion, so why prentendig I did?
I only said it was the fastest growing.
You seem to have difficulties dealing with that fact, and you immediatly go into a tantrum like a spoilt brat.
Grow up !!

“Freedom, NOT islam.”

Since: Feb 11

Birmingham UK

#221 Apr 23, 2012
ronan wrote:
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Many Westerners are converting to Islam, that you like it or not.
In fact, the rate of conversion has increase since 9/11, and the injust wars waged on 2 Muslim countries. US and UK invasion of 2 Muslim countries seems to have been a magnet for conversions.
Even Tony Blair's siter-in-law became a Muslim!
Tony Blair's sister in law is an idiot. That, I think, is a pre -requisite for a great many people who have converted to islam.
Unfortunately for you, islam is shrinking. Its not a question of whether anyone likes it or not, its still falling foul of common sense. The single most despised collective in the world is what you would have us believe is a growing religion? It defies logic. If islam truly were growing in popularity, why are so many nations opposed to it?
ronan

UK

#222 Apr 23, 2012
Jules in the UK wrote:
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If islam truly were growing in popularity, why are so many nations opposed to it?
Rogue countries, dictatorships and hostile governments are under attack by the West, not Islam. In fact many Muslim countries have bery good relations with the West, from Indonesia to Malaysia, to Dubai to Saudi Arabia, and Turkey, Morocco, Kuwait, etc...1174

In fact, there are more Muslims in the West than ever, and that keep increasing too. Between Muslim migrants in the West, and many Westerners converting to Islam, it is undeniably the fastest growing religion.
mud ham mad 72 vrgns 28 b

Finland

#223 Apr 23, 2012
i don't think converting data are reliable especially if they're spread as partial propaganda:
muslim propaganda carefully obmits dialogue and censors the crimes perversions and lies of "profit" mohammed

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Since: Aug 10

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#224 Apr 23, 2012
mud ham mad 72 vrgns 28 b wrote:
i don't think converting data are reliable especially if they're spread as partial propaganda:
muslim propaganda carefully obmits dialogue and censors the crimes perversions and lies of "profit" mohammed
As if Xtians and Jews don't use propaganda, through their hypocrisies.
irshad

Calcutta, India

#225 Apr 25, 2012
those who r barking about islam is spreading they dont even know truth about their religion islam which itself is a doctrine which is clearly explain in quran. Truth is that islam has loosen its race which they posseses during the 6th century to 18th century.Muslim themselves don't believe in god they are so hypocrite they can't even analyse their civilization failure now they r living by the means of western civilization and calling themselves pure muslems should understand this they r third class citizen in todays world. Elites class citizens americans,europeans,russians,i srael,japanese,south koreans Moderate class citizens chinese,indians,and african countries
Backward class citizens u can see in every muslim countries. Muslims needs to respect themselves then others will respect u through ur deeds and commitment instead of barking in the dream world

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#226 Apr 25, 2012
ronan wrote:
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I am not taking side and I am not bad-mouthing anyone.
If you can't accept facts, that's your problem.
Islam is just the fastest growing religion in the world, that you like it or not.
Particularly, it attacts many Westerners disafranchised from Christianity and in need of spirituality.
And that statement doesn't make me a Muslim either, so you can stop that line of attack.


No one is really disputing that Islam is growing or is the fastest growing religion in the world. what worries every one is the method Muslims use, take Nigeria for instance, Muslims move in to an area, they seem to fit in with the poulation using using lies and deception eg " we have nothing against Christianity or any other religion we view them as non Muslim". If that was true why are they creating the Blasphamy laws in practically every Muslim nation to make Christians, Buddists, Hindu free zones. it is immposible for another religion to exist in a Muslim country. they ghettoise the area they have moved in to, once they reach 15% to 30% of the general poulation they start to demand certain rights, eg the right to shariah law, no pubs or bars in said area, no lurid advertizing, their own schools etc. If they do not get their own way they use violence. THe bombing of bars, tourist areas and kidnappings which usually end in the death of the person taken.
Yes Islam is spreading. but it is like a cancer. if you have any doubts or dissagree simply. look at he evidence. look at this counrty. There are parts of London, birmingham, Luton, etc where the Muslim poulation are demanding and in fact illigaly applying shariah law. We have had bombings and murder in our streetsIn the past few weeks we have seen demonstrations demanding other rights, we have seen how many in the Muslim population view us as beneath them. We have seen Muslim men use Young girls as prostitutes, we have seen a number of rape cases where the rapist has claimed he has done no wrong, because the woman wasnt a Muslim.
I suspect that sooner rather than later the west will retaliate, France, Holland and many of the Eauropean countries have legislated to curbe Islam and its practises it will only take a few more steps to making it illegal and then we will see just how Barbaric we can be, but it seems it always the innocent who get hurt. tim will tell.

“Freedom, NOT islam.”

Since: Feb 11

Birmingham UK

#227 Apr 25, 2012
ronan wrote:
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Rogue countries, dictatorships and hostile governments are under attack by the West, not Islam. In fact many Muslim countries have bery good relations with the West, from Indonesia to Malaysia, to Dubai to Saudi Arabia, and Turkey, Morocco, Kuwait, etc...1174
In fact, there are more Muslims in the West than ever, and that keep increasing too. Between Muslim migrants in the West, and many Westerners converting to Islam, it is undeniably the fastest growing religion.
There may well be more muslims in the west than ever before, but that is no indication that islam is growing. Its not. muslims come to the west because they see the generous welfare hand outs and simply like the idea of getting paid for doing nothing. islam is trying to spread, but at every turn now, it meets stronger and stronger opposition. Nobody wants it anymore. islams fate was sealed the moment the first plane hit the twin towers. You are correct that many muslim countries have good relations with the west, but what choice do they have? Now, they have to try harder than ever before. At one time, they could blackmail the west with the threat of witholding oil. These days, we need it less and less. in the next 25 years, we may not need it at all. The middle east on the other hand, depends upon the west for hand outs and tourism. When, eventually, the west realises its simply not worth supoporting the middle east, then many of the muslim nations that enjoy the benefits of western tourism will shrink and probably die.
It makes no difference to me or most people, but it will matter to the nations concerned. islam is going to have to change its attitude very qickly, if it wants to have any chance.

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#228 Apr 25, 2012
ronan wrote:
<quoted text>. From a practical point of view, it is unrealistic.
It's been done before. In 1940, but on the wrong target.

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