Sarkozy chases NF voters with 'too many immigrants' line

WITH President Nicolas Sarkozy desperate to win back far-right National Front supporters who backed him in 2007, it was inevitable that immigration would come to dominate the French presidential election campaign. Full Story
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ronan

UK

#1 Mar 7, 2012
Ha, ha, Sarkozy trying to steal votes from the National Front by adopting some of their xenophobic slogans.

Utterly pathetic... if only for that, the guy deserves to be defeated.
the examiner

Montréal, Canada

#2 Mar 7, 2012
I am afraid it's not enough or too late. He should have included one of Le Pen guys in his cabinet as minister or junior minister.
well

Canada

#3 Mar 7, 2012
Sarkozy should declare himself emperor and be done with elections.
ronan

UK

#4 Mar 7, 2012
Sarkozy is taking a real drumming in the French press, and even some prominent people in his party have come publicly to say he didn't stand much chance!

On one hand he alienates the French Muslims and the French Jews by his anti halal/kosher attacks, and then he goes touring the country with his former Justice Minister (an Arab women he sacked) to reassure the minorities.

Now, he has even enrolled his ex-wife to campaign for him, but the new wife don't want to hear about it! About time he brings his mistresses into play ...

Only in France could you see such pantomime!!
the examiner

Montréal, Canada

#5 Mar 7, 2012
Sarkozy is smart. He sees that the ultra right of Le Pen is more important to him then the votes of the Muslims and Jews. Le Pen has around 16-16 percent of the votes. People with foreign born parents like Arabs, Asians and other visiible minoriies in France usually vote for the socialists any way because many of them are welfare recipients and therefore need more help from the government.
ronan

UK

#6 Mar 7, 2012
the examiner wrote:
Sarkozy is smart. He sees that the ultra right of Le Pen is more important to him then the votes of the Muslims and Jews. Le Pen has around 16-16 percent of the votes. People with foreign born parents like Arabs, Asians and other visiible minoriies in France usually vote for the socialists any way because many of them are welfare recipients and therefore need more help from the government.
You really amase me; you don't know much about France, do you?

Sarkozy alienating the Jews will have far more repercusion than just the judaique population. Attacking kosher meat was really a bad move! Most Jews would have voted for Sarko, because of economic interests. And attacking Jews always mobilise people who want to protect them now.

Also, don't think that all the Arabs are blue collar workers or benefits dependents; that's a mistake many outsiders make.
Just in Paris, most of the hotels, restaurants, cafes and many shops are owned and run by Arabs.

Now, Muslims in France are at every level of society, and those who have reached middle class status (doctors, journalists, shopkeepers, engineers, civil servants, lawyers, teachers, entrepreneurs, etc..) have drifted towards the political centre or the moderate right (UMP, Sarko's party) also because of economic interests, and to preserve their position - lower taxation, etc...

Sarkozy, the Prime Minister Fillon and the interior minister have attacked 2 minorities that are often at odds in France (Muslims and Jews), and managed to unite them them against Sarko's re-election.

I think they have handed the victory to Hollande on a plate.
Alexandre

Keratsíni, Greece

#7 Mar 8, 2012
ronan wrote:
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You really amase me; you don't know much about France, do you?
Sarkozy alienating the Jews will have far more repercusion than just the judaique population. Attacking kosher meat was really a bad move! Most Jews would have voted for Sarko, because of economic interests. And attacking Jews always mobilise people who want to protect them now.
Also, don't think that all the Arabs are blue collar workers or benefits dependents; that's a mistake many outsiders make.
Just in Paris, most of the hotels, restaurants, cafes and many shops are owned and run by Arabs.
Now, Muslims in France are at every level of society, and those who have reached middle class status (doctors, journalists, shopkeepers, engineers, civil servants, lawyers, teachers, entrepreneurs, etc..) have drifted towards the political centre or the moderate right (UMP, Sarko's party) also because of economic interests, and to preserve their position - lower taxation, etc...
Sarkozy, the Prime Minister Fillon and the interior minister have attacked 2 minorities that are often at odds in France (Muslims and Jews), and managed to unite them them against Sarko's re-election.
I think they have handed the victory to Hollande on a plate.
You're right the examiner, French people dont want the Arab and they dont like the Arab. Dont listen to Ronan, 70% of Arabs are criminals, 30% are normal, middle class.

Thats why Sarkozy will win, even though he piisssed off many people in the far right. They hate his bling bling style (escort wife, private jets, rolex watches etc), they hate the fact that crime is still sky high in France. Remember that Sarkozy reduced the number of police officers in France. It is something that is unforgivable for many.

Marine Le Pen still has a good chance to make to round 2.

~A~
la fouine

Jimbaran, Indonesia

#8 Mar 8, 2012
only 10% of French population are Muslims BUT
70% of crimes in France are commited by Muslims.
70% of prisoners in France are Muslims.

That can't mean nothing.
tigerrlily

Paris, France

#9 Mar 8, 2012
la fouine wrote:
only 10% of French population are Muslims BUT
70% of crimes in France are commited by Muslims.
70% of prisoners in France are Muslims.
That can't mean nothing.
wondering where you got these, FN perhaps ? When you take social categories into account, crime is evenly distributed among various origins

NB: any statistics based on religion or ethnicity are illegal in France
tigerrlily

Paris, France

#10 Mar 8, 2012
the examiner wrote:
I am afraid it's not enough or too late. He should have included one of Le Pen guys in his cabinet as minister or junior minister.
That would have been his last day in office ...
the examiner

Montréal, Canada

#11 Mar 8, 2012
tigerrlily wrote:
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That would have been his last day in office ...
I think he can do that. After all, Mitterrand did include 4 communists in his cabinet in 1981. Which is worse to you, the communists or Le Pen's people ?
Alexandre

Keratsíni, Greece

#12 Mar 8, 2012
the examiner wrote:
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I think he can do that. After all, Mitterrand did include 4 communists in his cabinet in 1981. Which is worse to you, the communists or Le Pen's people ?
you dont get it, Mitterrand was a communist.
he is the one who sc--ed France
san gay cisco

Sterling, VA

#13 Mar 8, 2012
sarko est psycho et un idiot....amen
the examiner

Montréal, Canada

#14 Mar 8, 2012
Alexandre wrote:
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you dont get it, Mitterrand was a communist.
he is the one who sc--ed France
George Marchais was a communist. George Marchais spent most of his Summer vacation in Russia.
Mitterrand was an opportunist. He was the Interior minister of de Gaulle (RPR) before becoming a socialist.
ronan

UK

#15 Mar 8, 2012
the examiner wrote:
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I think he can do that. After all, Mitterrand did include 4 communists in his cabinet in 1981. Which is worse to you, the communists or Le Pen's people ?
Mitterand came to the presidency as the canditate of the left which was a coalition between the Socialist Party, the Radical-Socialists, the Communist Party and various left groupd (Rocard, Chevenement, etc...)

The "Union de la Gauche" didn't last long, and soon the Communists ministers left or were sacked.

It all depend where you politics are, but the Communists have participed or supported several left wing governments.
Le Pen was never invited or whished to participate in any right wing government.

Also, the Communists still have a very strong presence in local government in some parts of France, which they generally administrate judiciously (no, I am not a communist).
The same cannot be said of the National Front cannot say the same.
ronan

UK

#16 Mar 8, 2012
Alexandre wrote:
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you dont get it, Mitterrand was a communist.
he is the one who sc--ed France
What an idiot!

Mitterand was right wing and then turned to socialism to be elected.

He served under Vichy and several right wing governments in the 50s.
ronan

UK

#17 Mar 8, 2012
the examiner wrote:
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Mitterrand was an opportunist. He was the Interior minister of de Gaulle (RPR) before becoming a socialist.
Mitterand managed to serve in the collaborator Vichy government of Petain during WWII, to end up receiving a decoration for having be in the Resistance at the same time! Quite a feat ...
Alexandre

Keratsíni, Greece

#18 Mar 8, 2012
ronan wrote:
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What an idiot!
Mitterand was right wing and then turned to socialism to be elected.
He served under Vichy and several right wing governments in the 50s.
i know that mitterrrand was right wing then became a socialist. i know that he was a vichy collabo.

mitterrand was very left wing by the time he came to power. he nationalised every industry in france you idoit!!!! he brought the muslim in france, he love the muslim that was voting for him!!!

~A~
Alexandre

Keratsíni, Greece

#19 Mar 8, 2012
Mitterrand was a collabo.

In comparison, Le Pen was a resistant and a war hero.

Mitterrand should have been shot dead against a wall twice. Once for collaborating with the Nazis, and another time for destroying the French economy
ronan

UK

#20 Mar 9, 2012
Alexandre wrote:
Mitterrand was a collabo.
Mitterrand should have been shot dead against a wall twice. Once for collaborating with the Nazis,
Most of French were collaborators at the begining of the war and during the NAZI occupation.
Some drifted towards the Resistance later when De Gaulle obtained some success in the French colonies and the allies started to plan the invasion of France.
When it became obvious that the allies were going to win, most French professed to be anti-German, in a typical French U-turn.
That's why the French are despised and genarally ridiculed by most other nations: they have no moral conviction, no backbone and are turn-coats !

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