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Cambodian PM's visit to strengthen traditional ties of friendship, cooperation

There are 35 comments on the Thanh Nein News story from Dec 26, 2013, titled Cambodian PM's visit to strengthen traditional ties of friendship, cooperation. In it, Thanh Nein News reports that:

Visiting Cambodian Prime Minister Samdech Decho Hun Sen shakes hands with his Vietnamese counterpart Nguyen Tan Dung as they meet for talks in Hanoi on Thursday.

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Drgunzet

Meridian, ID

#1 Dec 26, 2013
Read in the article:

"They emphasized that the disputes relating to the East Sea, internationally known as South China Sea, should be settled by peaceful means and on the basis of international law, especially the 1982 United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea".

So, Mr. Hun Sen (and Cambodia) has sided with Vietnam over the conflict in the East Sea against China. Basically, China's claim in the East Sea (or China South Sea) violates the 1982 UN Convention's law of the Sea.

Vietnam is very clever and patient. They wait then bring Japan as the new buddy to coerce Cambodia away from China's camp. China is never true friend to Cambodia because China is also courting Thailand against Cambodia.

My take is this: Mr Hun Sen worries about the long term domination of China's goods over Cambodia. He prefers Japan and USA as trade partners to avoid China's domination. To be a good trade partner, you have to be different to have trades. If you are produce similar products, but your products are inferior, you will be dominated.
blue sky

UK

#2 Dec 27, 2013
Drgunzet wrote:
Read in the article:
"They emphasized that the disputes relating to the East Sea, internationally known as South China Sea, should be settled by peaceful means and on the basis of international law, especially the 1982 United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea".
So, Mr. Hun Sen (and Cambodia) has sided with Vietnam over the conflict in the East Sea against China. Basically, China's claim in the East Sea (or China South Sea) violates the 1982 UN Convention's law of the Sea.
Vietnam is very clever and patient. They wait then bring Japan as the new buddy to coerce Cambodia away from China's camp. China is never true friend to Cambodia because China is also courting Thailand against Cambodia.
My take is this: Mr Hun Sen worries about the long term domination of China's goods over Cambodia. He prefers Japan and USA as trade partners to avoid China's domination. To be a good trade partner, you have to be different to have trades. If you are produce similar products, but your products are inferior, you will be dominated.
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this is a child opinion,this opinion-er never matching with any reality with the past situation in the Asian region,,RUBBISH
Angkor

Seattle, WA

#3 Dec 27, 2013
Drgunzet wrote:
Read in the article:
"They emphasized that the disputes relating to the East Sea, internationally known as South China Sea, should be settled by peaceful means and on the basis of international law, especially the 1982 United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea".
So, Mr. Hun Sen (and Cambodia) has sided with Vietnam over the conflict in the East Sea against China. Basically, China's claim in the East Sea (or China South Sea) violates the 1982 UN Convention's law of the Sea.
Vietnam is very clever and patient. They wait then bring Japan as the new buddy to coerce Cambodia away from China's camp. China is never true friend to Cambodia because China is also courting Thailand against Cambodia.
My take is this: Mr Hun Sen worries about the long term domination of China's goods over Cambodia. He prefers Japan and USA as trade partners to avoid China's domination. To be a good trade partner, you have to be different to have trades. If you are produce similar products, but your products are inferior, you will be dominated.
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ahahhhaahahhhahaha- Childish Opinioner. This is what I have called you for the year 2013. Why you still fool of your own opinion?
SpongeBob

Toronto, Canada

#4 Dec 27, 2013
..China is a loner in the war against ...the whole world. HunSen doesn't have to be a rocket scientist to realize that. In the past of Polpot regime, even China wasn't a loner that time, China couldn't help to restore Polpot....Compared to the SEA political theater nowadays, HunSen knows what he has to do...that is to back off from Chinaman, especially when most of super powers come to HaNoi, his traditional ally who helped him into power. It's better late than.....to be toppled just like Polpot was in the past.....
Drgunzet

Meridian, ID

#5 Dec 27, 2013
SpongeBob wrote:
..China is a loner in the war against ...the whole world. HunSen doesn't have to be a rocket scientist to realize that. In the past of Polpot regime, even China wasn't a loner that time, China couldn't help to restore Polpot....Compared to the SEA political theater nowadays, HunSen knows what he has to do...that is to back off from Chinaman, especially when most of super powers come to HaNoi, his traditional ally who helped him into power. It's better late than.....to be toppled just like Polpot was in the past.....
http://www.ibanet.org/Article/Detail.aspx...

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Years ago, Hun Sen called China ‘the root of everything that is evil’ in Cambodia because of Beijing’s longtime support of the Khmer Rouge that continued for a decade after they fell from power in 1979.

For Cambodia to rise up from the quagmire, Mr. Hun Sen had to swallow his anger, pride, dignity to play along with China for a few years. But at the shortest moment, when better alternative comes (Japan), Mr. Hun Sen will dump China. And this week while in Vietnam, he already dumped China by announcing China to comply with the UN's law of the sea over the issue of the East Sea (or South China Sea).
Drgunzet

Meridian, ID

#6 Dec 27, 2013
http://khmerization.blogspot.com/2013/12/chin...

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That may change. Xinhua, the mouthpiece of the Chinese government, has done the unthinkable and joined Cambodia’s many critics over the government’s handling of issues ranging from land-grabbing and corruption to protests following the July 28 elections.

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I have predicted this years ago. And this is why Vietnam is a small power because it manages to control/influence both Laos and Cambodia directly. Just watch and see Vietnam wield influence over Philippines, Malaysia, Myanmar, Malaysia, Brunei, Malaysia at some time in the future.

Even India has to go through Vietnam to get things smooth out with India's neighbors such as Bangladesh and Sri Lanka.

That was why Singapore's illustrious ex-Prime-Minister Lee Kuan Yew once commented about Vietnam's government as "Bright and Impressive".

I predicted Vietnam has been coveted to be a corner stone of the Russia-India-Vietnam bloc. Japan and USA will work with Vietnam as the side-deal to contain China. So, just watch favor deals for Vietnam in the futures from Russia, India, Japan and USA.

Russia, Japan will provide most technology transfer. India will provide software technology. USA and Japan will provide economic support through trade. And all four nations will provide United Nation support politically.
McQ

Montréal, Canada

#7 Dec 27, 2013
The Khmer of Cambodia shouldn't listen to China because they will end up losing a lot more than what China has given them. In the past China used Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge to attack Vietnam so they (the Chinese) could stir up trouble in the East Sea and occupy the Paracel islands and other islands in the Spratlys. What happened to Campuchia? Pol Pot with Chinese weaponry, followed Mao's peasant doctrine and killed 2 millions of the Khmers because they wore eye glasses and they didn't look like peasants.
Drgunzet

Meridian, ID

#8 Dec 27, 2013
Drgunzet

Meridian, ID

#9 Dec 27, 2013
Oh my God, I googled some more, found out Mr. Hun Sen speaks fluent Vietnamese, Northern accent!!! It would be a disgrace if he speaks Vietnamese, Southern accent. hehehe.

North Vietnamese are superior than the South Vietnamese, you know that.
McQ

Montréal, Canada

#10 Dec 27, 2013
Drgunzet wrote:
Oh my God, I googled some more, found out Mr. Hun Sen speaks fluent Vietnamese, Northern accent!!! It would be a disgrace if he speaks Vietnamese, Southern accent. hehehe.
North Vietnamese are superior than the South Vietnamese, you know that.
Yeah .. I was surprised too. I hope he will move closer to Vietnam and further from China.
McQ

Montréal, Canada

#11 Dec 27, 2013
Hun Sen's speech in Vietnamese
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Cilantro

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#13 Dec 28, 2013
McQ wrote:
Hun Sen's speech in Vietnamese
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =6ZQHglYClJgXX
he doesn't help himself by doing that, he just makes Cambodian people hate him more and more
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Drgunzet

Meridian, ID

#15 Dec 28, 2013
Let me analyze the current Cambodia-Vietnam relation, this year:

_ August, China criticized Mr. Hun Sen over the July-election and other human right violations. This is an indication of a fall-out between Cambodia and China, and the begin of Cambodia-Vietnam getting together again.

_ November, Cambodia closed rank with other 9 ASEAN countries to snub at China for agreeing with Japan on the freedom of airspace travel/commerce. That is a real dig at China.

_ December, in an inprecedent act for a Prime Minister of a country to speak a language of a host-nation, Mr. Hun Sen spoke Vietnamese in Vietnam's capital in a huge gathering. This is a clear declaration of the his allegiance to Cambodia-Vietnam relation.

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How did Vietnam snatch Cambodia out of China's camp? Very easy:

_ China has been courting Thailand, Cambodia's chief rival. China in fact, had a contract to design an build multiple-rocket launcher system for Thailand to defeat Cambodia.

Note: Thailand got a bloody nose a couple years ago at the border skirmish with Cambodia. Cambodia got advises and supplies from Vietnam for cheap but immensely effective rocket launcher system. Thailand got so blunted, then immediately copied the idea, went straight to China to buy a dozen similar system to counter Cambodia. Clearly Vietnam is the battle genius.

_ Vietnam did not have the resource to compete with China for investment in Cambodia, so Vietnam patiently waited for Japan to come along for help. I think Japan will invest a lot more in Vietnam, freeing up Vietnam's own capital to invest in Cambodia. Just watch in the next couple years, Vietnam will invest a lot more in Cambodia, and China will delay the disbursement or cancel investment in Cambodia.

_ Basically, Laos and Cambodia are just too important for Vietnam. Thus Vietnam had no choice to do whatever it takes to court both Laos and Cambodia to its sphere of influence. I was told that 50 years ago, Vietminh group had a program of intermarriage with the Laos' leadership. They asked for 400 volunteer female officers to marry the Laos' leadership including the crown prince. They even got a half-Vietnamese (Vietnamese father and Laos mother) to become Laos' premier.

_ As for Cambodia, for so many years, Vietnam has trained a total of several thousand high ranking Cambodian arm force officers. Some of them stayed for several years in Vietnam for training. I would believe some of these officers have taken up Vietnamese wives. They will be loyal to Cambodia, then Vietnam in the same model of Laos.

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This time, Vietnam got the STRONG support from India, Russia, Japan and USA. These great powers will endorse Vietnam's control/influence over Laos and Cambodia so that Vietnam can do things for them.

I advise the Khmer to understand and accept the current situation for your own good. Vietnam is just too smart and superior. Fortunately for you, they are very civilized. Do you want the Thais to sack your capital instead?
McQ

Montréal, Canada

#16 Dec 28, 2013
I guess China is up to some mischief again in Cambodia. Here is my analysis of the situation.
A strong IndoChina within the framework of ASEAN has always been China's preoccupation. So they set out a task for themselves that is to stir up trouble such as to incite nationalism and hatred against the Vietnamese in Cambodia so as to weaken Vietnam and ASEAN. They had done that with the Pol Pot regime have tried to woo Hun Sen ever since. But then they realised that Hun Sen is only interested in China's aid but not interested in attacking Vietnam so they had to find a second Pol Pot. A while ago, when the Chinese saw Sam Rainsy uprooting border marks with such anger, they said to themselves "this is our second Pol Pot, we must support this guy".
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Sam Rainsy must have received a green light from Beijing that they would endorse him and give hiim aid once he is in power and that is why he is now organizing peasants to stage street demontrations.
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Hun Sen sees that China is backing Sam Rainsy, so he is worried that Sam Rainsy will put him in jail to rot once Sam is in power. Hun Sen has to do some thing now before it's too late. He chose Vietnam to be t the first country to visit after his re-election. He will seek advise from Vietnam as how to deal with Sam Rainsy and China.
Drgunzet

Meridian, ID

#17 Dec 28, 2013
Mr. Hun Sen is only pro-Cambodia. He is not really pro-Vietnam. He might appear to be pro-Vietnam but he only showed pro-Vietnam if the other factions shows signs of toppling him.

He is smart and normally stays neutral to get the most aids, benefits, investment into Cambodia. Vietnam was smart and did not press Cambodia but wait for Japan to come along as buddy to help yanking Cambodia away from China. For awhile I could not figure out what Vietnam government was doing. I thought they gave up Cambodia and only kept Laos as buddy.

Now I realized Vietnam's move and snatched Cambodia out of China again. Note: In 2011, Vietnam snatched Laos out of China by a bloodless Laos' shuffle of a prime Ministers. A pro-China Laos Prime Minister suddenly got replaced by a pro-Vietnam official. A couple other pro-Vietnam officials also got promoted as well.

Don't forget last year suddenly Myanmar defected from China's camp and went with Vietnam as a new buddy. Vietnam served as a proxy for USA and Western power to deal with Myanmar. China only have Pakistan left as a true friend. Even North Korea is showing sign of non-compliance against China.
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#18 Dec 30, 2013
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Drgunzet

Meridian, ID

#19 Dec 30, 2013
When Vietnam team scored a goal against Thailand playing at Laos's ASEAN game host in 2009, you can see Laos folks reacted in this video clip:

#t=29
Cilantro

Hayward, CA

#20 Dec 31, 2013
McQ wrote:
"this is our second Pol Pot,.
Yes second POLPOT is HUN SEN,,,That's why Khmer people voted him out,,,but he refused to step down...
shame on you,,!! Supporting on losing face and the killer of innocence people
do you ever feel ashamed to yourself at all ??
you support communist countries and you are hiding your assz under the armpit hair of democracy country,,,,

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