Is Libya the Next Somalia?

Jul 25, 2012 Full story: Counterpunch 92

Libya seems well on its way to becoming the next Somalia, with much of the country already ruled by tribal/clan based armed militias.

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#1 Jul 25, 2012
Not only somalia, Libya is on the way to worse then somalia. They like to kill each other
waqooyo

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#2 Jul 25, 2012
They are more extremist then Somalis and military weapons are under the different tribes who suffered from dictatorship exactly like Somalia or ever more.god helps Libya Insh-allah.

Since: Jul 11

Berlin, Germany

#3 Jul 25, 2012
It's a shame. The report started off quite well with the author giving a well balanced and accurate account of the similarities between Somalia and Libya. And then it all crumbles into a sorry pile of BS when the writer starts to smear and asserts against all facts that NATO must have caused 80 000 civilian deaths in Libya. From there on it's all just crap.

Sorry, take an F Mr. Thomas C. Mountain, if that is your real name, and go sit at the back of the class. I suppose someone who writes like this poor loser just has no choice but to live in the poorest country in Africa, he just won't be earning enough to afford to live anywhere else.
Oliver Cromwell

Accrington, UK

#4 Jul 25, 2012
That was the plan from the start,the Imperialists love chaos all the better for them to rob the Country,take a look at Iraq,it was quite modern in the past now its a basket case.

Since: Jul 11

Berlin, Germany

#5 Jul 25, 2012
Oliver Cromwell wrote:
That was the plan from the start,the Imperialists love chaos all the better for them to rob the Country,take a look at Iraq,it was quite modern in the past now its a basket case.
Give me a break, will you.

Some untalented prick with misguided aspirations of a career in critical journalism but too lazy to move his ass in the direction of the subject in question, in this case Libya, writes a completely uninformed article based in most parts on speculation because he canít be bothered to go and find the facts out properly and you guys take it all for gospel and now believe that Libya is going to become another Somalia.

Libya canít become another Somalia simply because its people have an entirely different culture, mentality, geography and economy. At the very least Somalia is extremely poor, something that has hindered progress there, where as Libya is extremely rich, one of the main reasons Libya will succeed.
Oliver Cromwell

Accrington, UK

#6 Jul 25, 2012
Those Rats in Libya can't stop killing each other,after what they did to their country i hope the bastards slaughter each other.
waqooyo

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#7 Jul 25, 2012
Ditto Dog wrote:
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Give me a break, will you.
Some untalented prick with misguided aspirations of a career in critical journalism but too lazy to move his ass in the direction of the subject in question, in this case Libya, writes a completely uninformed article based in most parts on speculation because he canít be bothered to go and find the facts out properly and you guys take it all for gospel and now believe that Libya is going to become another Somalia.
Libya canít become another Somalia simply because its people have an entirely different culture, mentality, geography and economy. At the very least Somalia is extremely poor, something that has hindered progress there, where as Libya is extremely rich, one of the main reasons Libya will succeed.
Simply you are ignorant to undersrand who is poor.Libya can't hold or any Arab county civil war for two decades like Somalia coz they didn't produce food like Somalia and money willn't work under the fire.
We produce live stock and export the extra to the Arab world.
Most of the best fruits and vegetables are available in our markets and we are very rich in fishing resources.
Poor countries can't hold civil war.

“Peace... People... Peace.”

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#8 Jul 25, 2012
waqooyo wrote:
<quoted text>Libya can't hold or any Arab county civil war for two decades like Somalia coz they didn't produce food like Somalia and money willn't work under the fire.
You've raised a seriously valid point there, the lack of food will suffocate teir population into submission when a power begins to emerge effectively accelerating any conflict.

But... With outside interference, it would be ever so easy to fuel the conflict by providing the combatants with whatever they require to keep fighting. Sure, the civillian populace will starve but the conflict will rage on.

Why any party would like to do such a thing, however, is another topic altogether.
waqooyo

Doha, Qatar

#9 Jul 25, 2012
@TrueRain,I can't really picture a civilwar in a country like libya,but I think it will be a disaster for libyians,a desert county,very hot,with poor water reasoures.
All or most of their food they import it from uproad.
Libyian's live use to depend in electricity and the follow of the crude oil.
To start a crise is easy,but to stop it willn't be in your hyands.
Yes,it is true,their rich oil may continue to fuel the crisis in that country.
hani

London, UK

#10 Jul 25, 2012
somalia is getting better .
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#11 Jul 25, 2012
African muslim countries peoples are too much cruel. Actually Gaddafi was the perfect leader to control those Libyan cruel peoples. No other leader is able to control them. Now i recall a sentence of a film( Tears of Sun) ''God left Africa''. Really God left Africa.

Since: Jul 11

Berlin, Germany

#12 Jul 26, 2012
waqooyo wrote:
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Simply you are ignorant to undersrand who is poor.Libya can't hold or any Arab county civil war for two decades like Somalia coz they didn't produce food like Somalia and money willn't work under the fire.
We produce live stock and export the extra to the Arab world.
Most of the best fruits and vegetables are available in our markets and we are very rich in fishing resources.
Poor countries can't hold civil war.
You're badly misinformed, my Qatari friend. If you travel along the coastal road in Libya (as I have done) you will find the land nearly all the way rich in fertile soil and full of farms growing whatever the population needs to eat. This strip of land is up to ten kilometres wide and can supply the whole of the country with food. Of course, Libya also imports many food stuffs, just like your country certainly does, but these are usually none essentials. I mean, nobody really needs to eat apples or pares or basami rice if they grow good alternatives do they? Libya would have no problem feeding itself it it would ever need to.
Ottis

Berlin, Germany

#13 Jul 26, 2012
Yep!
Carlos

Rio De Janeiro, Brazil

#14 Jul 26, 2012
Ditto Dog wrote:
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...If you travel along the coastal road in Libya (as I have done) you will find the land nearly all the way rich in fertile soil and full of farms growing whatever the population needs to eat. This strip of land is up to ten kilometres wide and can supply the whole of the country with food...
It was only possible during Jamahyria, but NATO destroyed the Great Men-Made river, now Libya is doomed to live with small water supply.

Libya is sure doomed to be like any other african country under European hegemony: poor and under endemic wars. The wealth Libya we knew is gone. But it wont become a new somalia, it will be a new Iraq, because NATO will invade it to control the oil production.

Since: Jul 11

Berlin, Germany

#16 Jul 26, 2012
Carlos wrote:
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It was only possible during Jamahyria, but NATO destroyed the Great Men-Made river, now Libya is doomed to live with small water supply.
Oh, yeah, and where did you get that little gem from? You just made it up, didn't you.

If the Great Man Made River were ever destroyed we'd certainly hear about it before some Brazilian loser on this forum had time to tell anyone about it.
Libya is sure doomed to be like any other african country under European hegemony: poor and under endemic wars. The wealth Libya we knew is gone. But it wont become a new somalia, it will be a new Iraq, because NATO will invade it to control the oil production.
That's just your dismal ill wishing dreaming and has nothing to do with reality. You've lost out, dude. Against all your aspirations Gaddhafi is at last gone and the Libyans can now begin to build a brighter future for themselves. I reckon in two or three years Libya will have enough money to go and buy up Brazil.
angleface

Berlin, Germany

#17 Jul 26, 2012
Great forum. Keep it right on, man...
hooyo

Basel, Switzerland

#18 Jul 26, 2012
angleface wrote:
Great forum. Keep it right on, man...
ditto why are you talking to you self
angleface

Berlin, Germany

#19 Jul 26, 2012
hooyo wrote:
<quoted text>ditto why are you talking to you self
Ah, someone has noticed something! I know it looks like it, but I assure you I've not gone of my rocker. I'm just trying out a theory.
waqooyo

Doha, Qatar

#20 Jul 26, 2012
Libya isn't like any other African county coz it was a deser and there was no live before oil
Appeared.like these authorities I can't consider them as a countrIRS.
Where is Libya and where is Brazil.I.consider Berazile as a sub content,it has a lot to.sell not only a crude oil which can't exist a few decades.
kiwi

Kosice, Slovakia

#21 Jul 26, 2012
Ditto Dog wrote:
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Give me a break, will you...where as Libya is extremely rich, one of the main reasons Libya will succeed.
Extremely rich Libya? Why do you think so? Its budget deficite as anticipated in February should be between between LD 7 and 10 billion. Deficite? The Finance Minister, Hassan Zaglam, responding to questions from the members of the press at the official press conference two days ago explained that he expected that there will be no deficit in the governmentís 2012 LD 68.5 billion budget. The question is, where is 180 plus bio USD frozen by US and allies? Where is 110 tons of gold, untouched, as stated by the same Mr Zaglam only some half of a year ago? Todays Libya exports over 90% of its prewar oil and gas production, almost 2 million barrels a day of some of the best oil found on the planet. Where is almost $200 million a day,$6 billion a month, over $70 billion by the end of 2012 money? What more, Libya sells its crude for less and less. Actually for the lowest price in last three years. Why? http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-07-20/liby...
Financial situation in Benghazi is such terrible that Benghazi Local Council, which wants to purchase 10-15 new dustbin lorries, has to borrow the money for doing so. Look at the video and carefully listen to the UNMAS guy at 5:46.

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