China, Japan leaders meet amid row over islands

Oct 30, 2010 Full story: Athens Banner-Herald 22

The prime ministers of Japan and China met informally at a regional summit Saturday amid a diplomatic row that has plunged the two countries' relations to a five-year low.

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nguoi viet uk

Ilford, UK

#1 Oct 30, 2010
yes i agree that,,,
every small islands around in asean,,.

which is distand 500 miles.., that will belong to CHINA,,. because they has more population than any other countries,,.in the ASEAN REGION

if any country disagree with , then join conflict to regain those is lands which they believe that is belong to them,,,, that is fine,,.

china alway ready to confront with,,.
come on chinaman,,..
crayz ox3thongee

Phoenix, AZ

#3 Oct 30, 2010
nguoi viet uk wrote:
yes i agree that,,,
every small islands around in asean,,.
which is distand 500 miles.., that will belong to CHINA,,. because they has more population than any other countries,,.in the ASEAN REGION
if any country disagree with , then join conflict to regain those is lands which they believe that is belong to them,,,, that is fine,,.
china alway ready to confront with,,.
come on chinaman,,..
do they have becky`hambo*`ger in Uk?:-00
Windmill Master

Amsterdam, Netherlands

#4 Oct 30, 2010
Well every island in Europe should belong to Germany because it's population is larger. So England should be part of Germany. Is this what you mean?
Windmill Master

Amsterdam, Netherlands

#5 Oct 30, 2010
Cuba should be part of America, too. Yes?
nguoi viet uk

Ilford, UK

#6 Nov 2, 2010
Windmill Master wrote:
Well every island in Europe should belong to Germany because it's population is larger. So England should be part of Germany. Is this what you mean?
hi there your question ,,, it does not form any basic,,.at all.,. i am talking about Islands,,. can you readed you fool<??? EVEN SO,,

if we wanted any islands AND ANY COUNTRY on this world we will have it,,. you can look for yourself,,.

we had more than 73 countries with us,,.you known that don't you ????
old china

Chengdu, China

#7 Nov 2, 2010
nguoi viet uk wrote:
yes i agree that,,,
every small islands around in asean,,.
which is distand 500 miles.., that will belong to CHINA,,. because they has more population than any other countries,,.in the ASEAN REGION
if any country disagree with , then join conflict to regain those is lands which they believe that is belong to them,,,, that is fine,,.
china alway ready to confront with,,.
come on chinaman,,..
Issues of sovreignty have been typically resolved by armed conflict or the resolve to defend one's territorial claims such as in the Falklands war. It has little to do with logic, moral right, relative distance or population size. In these more civilised times it is more prudent to use historical records to determine sovreignty. Had this policy been followed then there would almost certainly not be a dispute between China and Japan because either Taiwan of mainland China would be in control as the Japanese claim is very weak.

In China's case she is prepared to defend what she regards as her territory, as sovreignty is stated as non negotiable by China, and has aparently sent her navy out to patrol the islands. Should Japan decide to challenge China's navy then they might not survive to regret it.
John

Burbank, CA

#8 Nov 2, 2010
old china wrote:
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In China's case she is prepared to defend what she regards as her territory, as sovreignty is stated as non negotiable by China, and has aparently sent her navy out to patrol the islands. Should Japan decide to challenge China's navy then they might not survive to regret it.
WOW IS that a threat or what? If the Chinaman thinks that he can force his way by means of threat and coercion, he must realize that he is sadly mistaken. The rest of the world will unite against them to teach them a nice lesson and the lesson being-don't believe your own hype.
John

Burbank, CA

#9 Nov 2, 2010
old china wrote:
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Issues of sovreignty have been typically resolved by armed conflict or the resolve to defend one's territorial claims such as in the Falklands war. It has little to do with logic, moral right, relative distance or population size. In these more civilised times it is more prudent to use historical records to determine sovreignty. Had this policy been followed then there would almost certainly not be a dispute between China and Japan because either Taiwan of mainland China would be in control as the Japanese claim is very weak.
Historical records?????

History by its very nature is subjective and when it comes to even earlier times, there are hardly any neutral and unbiased records. But, it is a relief that the Chinaman does not claim the whole earth along with the solar system as solely his own, not as recently as I have heard.
nguoi viet uk

Ilford, UK

#10 Nov 2, 2010
John wrote:
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Historical records?????
History by its very nature is subjective and when it comes to even earlier times, there are hardly any neutral and unbiased records. But, it is a relief that the Chinaman does not claim the whole earth along with the solar system as solely his own, not as recently as I have heard.
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yes,,, you seen to be very right,,.
Zhong Hua

Surabaya, Indonesia

#12 Nov 2, 2010
John wrote:
<quoted text>
WOW IS that a threat or what? If the Chinaman thinks that he can force his way by means of threat and coercion, he must realize that he is sadly mistaken. The rest of the world will unite against them to teach them a nice lesson and the lesson being-don't believe your own hype.
No, the world know exactly that China never claim territories other than its own. And the claim is backed by strong historical and legal basis. But if other nation try to acquire China's territory, the present day China is uncompromising, extremely tough, and will never tolerate it. Why ?, because China has a bitter experience with the gradual nibling of its territory beginning from the Opium War until 1949 (the founding of People's Republic Of China). So, the country had pledged that its sovereignity is not negotiable. China will use all its power and fight through to the end to protect its territory from foreign aggression, whoever the aggressor is.

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old china

Chengdu, China

#13 Nov 2, 2010
John wrote:
<quoted text>
WOW IS that a threat or what? If the Chinaman thinks that he can force his way by means of threat and coercion, he must realize that he is sadly mistaken. The rest of the world will unite against them to teach them a nice lesson and the lesson being-don't believe your own hype.
No it is not a threat as I am neither Chinese nor an advisor to them. I do recall, however, seeing an article somewhere this week where about 3 or 4 Chinese navy vessels had been deployed to the area of the Diaoyutai Islands to protect China's rights. The picture displayed looked like 3 frigates. I cannot find the article now so can't provide a link but I was left with the distinct impression that if push came to shove then the Chinese were not going to be bullied.
nguoi viet uk

Ilford, UK

#14 Nov 2, 2010
Zhong Hua wrote:
<quoted text>
No, the world know exactly that China never claim territories other than its own. And the claim is backed by strong historical and legal basis. But if other nation try to acquire China's territory, the present day China is uncompromising, extremely tough, and will never tolerate it. Why ?, because China has a bitter experience with the gradual nibling of its territory beginning from the Opium War until 1949 (the founding of People's Republic Of China). So, the country had pledged that its sovereignity is not negotiable. China will use all its power and fight through to the end to protect its territory from foreign aggression, whoever the aggressor is.
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as your coment,, i found it like you alway consider that your country,, your china are rich and power,,.

as you can see go back to histories,, china are a chiCken from Far East,,.THEM PEOPLE ONLY HARD WORKER,,.since 1942,,. they let japanese solders invasion china,,. even those,,, at that time the china population was a top of the world,,.but they still can't defender their country,,. that was very weak nation indee,,.

from foreign aggressive who ever want to claim that territories,,CHINA WILL FIGHT TO THE END,,, how about china bullies TIBET,,,???

and you must bear in mind this,,.no one wanted any more lands,,islands in the Asean at all that was China who claim it,,..

so why did them government,, japanese,,, chinese,,, vietnam,,.disput this before,,. and wait until now,,.

why did china claim it since foreign invasion ,,.to Taiwan,,. Indonesia,,Hongkong,,.?? why did china fight with them at that time to reclaim their property ???

so now to be fair,,,can you writing to china government and tell them that is it not fair that china control Tibet at all and asking china government to withdraw all military service over there...????

so do you think the world will join together to force china withdraw from Tibet,,.???

if china don't... then do you believe that the world will former together to kicker china out of TIBET ???

DON'T DRUM..
Zhong Hua

Surabaya, Indonesia

#15 Nov 2, 2010
nguoi viet uk wrote:
<quoted text>,
as your coment,, i found it like you alway consider that your country,, your china are rich and power,,.
as you can see go back to histories,, china are a chiCken from Far East,,.THEM PEOPLE ONLY HARD WORKER,,.since 1942,,. they let japanese solders invasion china,,. even those,,, at that time the china population was a top of the world,,.but they still can't defender their country,,. that was very weak nation indee,,.
from foreign aggressive who ever want to claim that territories,,CHINA WILL FIGHT TO THE END,,, how about china bullies TIBET,,,???
and you must bear in mind this,,.no one wanted any more lands,,islands in the Asean at all that was China who claim it,,..
so why did them government,, japanese,,, chinese,,, vietnam,,.disput this before,,. and wait until now,,.
why did china claim it since foreign invasion ,,.to Taiwan,,. Indonesia,,Hongkong,,.?? why did china fight with them at that time to reclaim their property ???
so now to be fair,,,can you writing to china government and tell them that is it not fair that china control Tibet at all and asking china government to withdraw all military service over there...????
so do you think the world will join together to force china withdraw from Tibet,,.???
if china don't... then do you believe that the world will former together to kicker china out of TIBET ???
DON'T DRUM..
If you are talking about Tibet, it is TOTALLY wrong.
Tibet is China's Territory. Tibet is part of China. Tibet IS China.
Believe me, suppose China leave Tibet (which is impossible and will never happen) in no time the so called 'Free Tibet" government will invite foreign powers like the US, British, or Japan to give economic and technical assistance at once.
And the "free Tibet" will be a sovereign state in name only.
And it will become a base for further usurping China. The demand will extent as to freeing Xinjiang, and furthermore the inland China will be split into many states like in past. China will be brought back to its state as a weak, poor, and miserable country.
Until that time the West will be satisfied.
The Chinese people fought heroically the Japanese invader, and the under armed and poor Chinese forces had tied no less than five million elite Japanese forces in China. The resistance of the Chinese People had avoided Japan to conquer the whole China.
The People's War with a lot of Chinese blood spilled also inflicted a lot of Japanese cassualties.
Your assesment on the war is wrong, examine your history book again.
nguoi viet uk

Ilford, UK

#16 Nov 2, 2010
Zhong Hua wrote:
<quoted text>
If you are talking about Tibet, it is TOTALLY wrong.
Tibet is China's Territory. Tibet is part of China. Tibet IS China.
Believe me, suppose China leave Tibet (which is impossible and will never happen) in no time the so called 'Free Tibet" government will invite foreign powers like the US, British, or Japan to give economic and technical assistance at once.
And the "free Tibet" will be a sovereign state in name only.
And it will become a base for further usurping China. The demand will extent as to freeing Xinjiang, and furthermore the inland China will be split into many states like in past. China will be brought back to its state as a weak, poor, and miserable country.
Until that time the West will be satisfied.
The Chinese people fought heroically the Japanese invader, and the under armed and poor Chinese forces had tied no less than five million elite Japanese forces in China. The resistance of the Chinese People had avoided Japan to conquer the whole China.
The People's War with a lot of Chinese blood spilled also inflicted a lot of Japanese cassualties.
Your assesment on the war is wrong, examine your history book again.
WHAT IS EVIDENCE..,

what is evidence you have had,,,,,, in order for you to say that Tibet is apart of china ???

not at all,,.

no,no,no.you are wrong,,, the west or who ever they are,, no one can wish or want china,,chinese people poor or weak at all,,.

the reason to causing conflict..of interrested are,,.
chinagovernment go around the world,,.like AFRECA..

CHINA GOVERNMENT KNEW IT,, THAT COUNTRY WAS BELONG TO SOME ONE ELSE SO WHY CHINA GOVERNMENT DETERMENT TO DO SO AND DID SO,,,,,.?? WE DON'T GO TO TIBET TO INVESTING ANY COMMERCIAL BUSINESS IF WE KNEW THAT CHINA GOVERNMENT NOT VERY HAPPY ABOUT,,.

SO WHY CHINA DID ???

THAT WAS A SIGHT OF DISREPECTED,,.

IF YOU GO TO MY CHILDREN SCHOOL AND TELL THEM DON'T LEARN THAT,, LEARN THIS,,..

OF COURSE I AM NOT HAPPY WITH YOU BY THE WAY LIKE THAT,,.
John

Burbank, CA

#17 Nov 2, 2010
Zhong Hua wrote:
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No, the world know exactly that China never claim territories other than its own. And the claim is backed by strong historical and legal basis.
the
All happily written by Chinamen, I suppose.
John

Burbank, CA

#18 Nov 2, 2010
Zhong Hua wrote:
<quoted text>
No, the world know exactly that China never claim territories other than its own. And the claim is backed by strong historical and legal basis. But if other nation try to acquire China's territory, the present day China is uncompromising, extremely tough, and will never tolerate it.
And what if those claims come into collision with equally valid claims of other countries? Might is right-so China prevails. Is it the guiding policy of the PRC?
John

Burbank, CA

#19 Nov 2, 2010
old china wrote:
<quoted text>
No it is not a threat as I am neither Chinese nor an advisor to them. I do recall, however, seeing an article somewhere this week where about 3 or 4 Chinese navy vessels had been deployed to the area of the Diaoyutai Islands to protect China's rights. The picture displayed looked like 3 frigates.
Blinded by jingoism and drunk with power, China has become a BIG, BAD BULLY. The world at large needs to take note.
LinhDinh

Malmö, Sweden

#20 Nov 2, 2010
No freedom in Vietnam, China, Cuba, North korea, they are dictator communist and evil
John

Burbank, CA

#21 Nov 2, 2010
nguoi viet uk wrote:
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WHAT IS EVIDENCE..,
what is evidence you have had,,,,,, in order for you to say that Tibet is apart of china ???
not at all,,.
no,no,no.you are wrong,,, the west or who ever they are,, no one can wish or want china,,chinese people poor or weak at all,,.
the reason to causing conflict..of interrested are,,.
chinagovernment go around the world,,.like AFRECA..
CHINA GOVERNMENT KNEW IT,, THAT COUNTRY WAS BELONG TO SOME ONE ELSE SO WHY CHINA GOVERNMENT DETERMENT TO DO SO AND DID SO,,,,,.?? WE DON'T GO TO TIBET TO INVESTING ANY COMMERCIAL BUSINESS IF WE KNEW THAT CHINA GOVERNMENT NOT VERY HAPPY ABOUT,,.
SO WHY CHINA DID ???
THAT WAS A SIGHT OF DISREPECTED,,.
IF YOU GO TO MY CHILDREN SCHOOL AND TELL THEM DON'T LEARN THAT,, LEARN THIS,,..
OF COURSE I AM NOT HAPPY WITH YOU BY THE WAY LIKE THAT,,.
You are right. The Chinaman has only some lousy historical arguments which can be twisted in any way you want, to buttress up his untenable claims. It is like once he sets his slat eyes on something, it becomes his. He is like a ruffian unwilling to give up forcibly usurped others' property. Someone should set him straight.
old china

Chengdu, China

#23 Nov 2, 2010
John wrote:
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Blinded by jingoism and drunk with power, China has become a BIG, BAD BULLY. The world at large needs to take note.
Please remind us how many countries have been invaded by America in say the last 50 years alongside the body count? We can the compare it with China's military adventures in foreign countries over the same time scale.

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