Australian cardinal ashamed over abuse scandal

Nov 13, 2012 Full story: RTE.ie 35

The head of the Catholic Church in Australia has acknowledged the "shame" of child sex abuse among the clergy and welcomed a sweeping inquiry.

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“We don't have to take it”

Since: Jun 08

WhereTFamI?

#21 Nov 14, 2012
Elias wrote:
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Some confusion here. The government is careful not to draw the ire of the Catholic church. So the royal commission is being designed to be across the community.
Of course, but Pell knows it's really ALL about the Catholic church.
Elias wrote:
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The actual issue here is George Pell covered up sexual abuse and there is legal testimony from a victim who swore that Cardinal Pell was present during a meeting to investigate his molestation. Pell only recommended the priest be moved and no further action be taken. Pell today claims he was not in the country and accused the child abuse victim of lying.
He's a grubby arrogant a'hole who has much to worry about now... he's going down! Even many of his own bishops hate him and want him gone.

“REFUSE ALL IMITATIONS!!”

Since: Jan 11

Essendon, Australia

#22 Nov 14, 2012
Seamus wrote:
Cardinal Pell says the confessional must remain sacrosanct. I say if that means that the confessional is to hide acts of sexual abuse then one of two options should be instigated.
Firstly legislate that such confessions must be reported to police otherwise the priest hearing the confession becomes complicit or, secondly, make it illegal to hear confession altogether.
Quite apart from the matter of concealing knowledge of a crime, Cardinal Pell's protest goes right to the heart of what is wrong with with The Confessional as a fixture in his Church.

Those outside the Catholic Church see the Confessional as a fundamentally flawed practice. By definition it artificially places another man (the Priest) between the parishioner and his God. Non-Catholics see this as creating the role of a "middle-man", making the parishioner dependent upon the services of another mortal in a spiritual relationship that should not need that.

Cynics would observe that it is just another of many ways that the Church in question strives to make itself indispensable and artificially relevant, keeping its flock beholden to its possessive grip on power over them.

As if all that were not bad enough, the practice then goes on to conceal community-threatening conduct from community awareness, and from the awareness of Law Enforcement services.

In the case of Pedophilia among the Priesthood the Confessional could raise some instances of conflicted interest. If for example the Priest hearing a confession of acts of Pedophilia is himself a Pedophile also, then what he does with the received information, and what he does not do with it would likely be tainted by his own vested interests.

There is nothing 'divine' about that.

In any case, the bottom line is that the Confessional all too easily becomes a dead-end for information that should instead be brought to the notice of secular authorities charged with responsibility to protect citizens from crime.

Ethically, Morally, and even Logically Cardinal Pell does not have a leg to stand on in his attempt to defend the indefensible.
Elias

Glen Waverley, Australia

#23 Nov 14, 2012
Gottaliv wrote:
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You told me you were taking a 12 month sabbatical... it's now been 2 years!
Get back to work or I'll tell your mother!
No I'm returning next year. Don;t think I'll get my old job back though :(
Elias

Glen Waverley, Australia

#24 Nov 14, 2012
Peter Hall wrote:
LOL, did you recommend Rambo as a historical figure to the Modern History Dept?
I do recall you boasting about a Bio-Med background, so the story changes again Elias????
Ahh Peter, and here I was thinking you were the master profiler scrutinising every post I ever made?

I have posted on numerous occaisons that I completed a Biomed degree in the 1970s. I worked for a stint as a hosiptal lab technician before changing career paths in the 1980s and joing the public service. I rose through the ranks to become an education policy analyst. The last couple of years I have spent pottering around my garden.

I see despite my humble origins I pose some type of irritance or threat to you? I like unravelling trolls like yourself. You really a quite a shallow chap.
Elias

Glen Waverley, Australia

#25 Nov 14, 2012
Gottaliv wrote:
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He's a grubby arrogant a'hole who has much to worry about now... he's going down! Even many of his own bishops hate him and want him gone.
I think he's in the category of untouchable. The catholic church is one of the most powerful insititutions in this country. They used to own (and perhaps still do) 50% of the state of WA and have huge endowments across Australia.

Lets see what becomes of this Royal commisission. I think it's a good idea, particularly in opening up insititutional abuse of chidlren, particularly handicapped kids who are unable to communicate. I have read that places where vunerable children are looked after (ie homeless shelters)are magnets for pedophiles. It's high time we sweep this rubbish out of our community.
true blue

Ross, Australia

#26 Nov 14, 2012
After seeing shows, one called 'The leaving of Liverpool', where children were treated like slaves and abused in church run homes, the time has come where all institutions involving children were investigated... What these kids must have endured leaves you feeling incredibly sad.. Cardinal Pell and all other religious leaders must show their genuine remorse by allowing any records or confessions to be dealt with legally... No wonder churches around this country are half empty..
Elias

Glen Waverley, Australia

#27 Nov 14, 2012
true blue wrote:
Cardinal Pell and all other religious leaders must show their genuine remorse by allowing any records or confessions to be dealt with legally... No wonder churches around this country are half empty..
Under a royal commission the police will have powers to supeona any paperwork relating to child abuse. To be honest they should have done this years ago. Any other organisation or school where suspiscion of child abuse was being ciovered up would have been investigated thoroughly.

“We don't have to take it”

Since: Jun 08

WhereTFamI?

#28 Nov 14, 2012
Elias wrote:
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Under a royal commission the police will have powers to supeona any paperwork relating to child abuse. To be honest they should have done this years ago. Any other organisation or school where suspiscion of child abuse was being ciovered up would have been investigated thoroughly.
That's if there's any paperwork left to subpeona... why do criminals always keep 'proof' of their crimes? Like that paper which Gillard kept which would incriminate her... she kept it, and now it's mysteriously disappeared!

And as for "doing this years ago", you already answered why it wasn't done... by ANY government.
Elias wrote:
<quoted text> The catholic church is one of the most powerful insititutions in this country. They used to own (and perhaps still do) 50% of the state of WA and have huge endowments across Australia.
This is what annoys me so much about the whole affair, Gillard will get the credit for calling a Royal Com, when she had no intention of doing so - her ratings have gone up way above Abbotts since her rant in parliament and further since the RC announcement.

But that's not really important, the fact that a RC is finally to be held is. It's supposed to be above any gov interference.

But, if a PM can be instrumental in causing a well respected dictionary to change it's legally & psychologically accepted definition (of many years standing) for a word, just to suit her needs, then how much power does a PM really have in this country?
Elias

Glen Waverley, Australia

#29 Nov 15, 2012
Gottaliv wrote:
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That's if there's any paperwork left to subpeona... why do criminals always keep 'proof' of their crimes?
That's a very good point. Pell isn't a fool. I'm sure any incriminating evidence has been meticulously shredded.

“Drover & Croc Hunter”

Since: Aug 12

Kurumba, Q'ld

#30 Nov 15, 2012
Elias wrote:
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That's a very good point. Pell isn't a fool. I'm sure any incriminating evidence has been meticulously shredded.
What about the Muslin Doctors who have performed circumsism on young girls. No doubt they will be included....Sex Crime.
Elias

Glen Waverley, Australia

#31 Nov 15, 2012
Drovers-Dog wrote:
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What about the Muslin Doctors who have performed circumsism on young girls. No doubt they will be included....Sex Crime.
Sorry I'm not heading the Royal commission, you may have to take it up with Julia Gillard if mussies are going under the radar?

One group I have heard that will be targeted over child abuse are Aboriginal communities.

“Drover & Croc Hunter”

Since: Aug 12

Kurumba, Q'ld

#32 Nov 15, 2012
Elias wrote:
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Sorry I'm not heading the Royal commission, you may have to take it up with Julia Gillard if mussies are going under the radar?
One group I have heard that will be targeted over child abuse are Aboriginal communities.
Well as I understand the Boy Scouts, the Girl Guides, Schools, both Public and Private, The Churches...OH what about the Unions and there failure to deal with on site bastardization of young apprentices and other young people in the work place who have complained to the Union Rep.and nothing has been done but sack the young person..WOW this will go on forever. Lets Start with the Unions first "Work Place Sexual Bastardization" then the "Churches"...Hows that sound---OKAY. or should we give the unions and out or indemnify them from being included.
Tony Abbott

Woombye, Australia

#33 Nov 15, 2012
Drovers-Dog wrote:
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OH what about the Unions and there failure to deal with on site bastardization of young apprentices and other young people in the work place who have complained to the Union Rep.and nothing has been done but sack the young person..WOW this will go on forever. Lets Start with the Unions first "Work Place Sexual Bastardization" then the "Churches"...Hows that sound---OKAY. or should we give the unions and out or indemnify them from being included.
What about the child sex slave trade ,run by the extreme right wing of the Young Liberals in NSW ? They should be first , and you should be next Drovers-pedaphile.
Tony Abbott

Woombye, Australia

#34 Nov 15, 2012
has anyone seen that youtube of Katter rogering that potty calf next to his landcruiser ?...I think it's been censored.
Julie

Brisbane, Australia

#35 Nov 15, 2012
Elias wrote:
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That's a very good point. Pell isn't a fool. I'm sure any incriminating evidence has been meticulously shredded.
Always something they over look. WOW and its usually something big under there mattress or elsewhere. Look at Julia/Wilson and crew who would have ever thought an old girl of 60 who had been typing stuff at the AWU for 35 yrs would have raised her head and started talking. These crooks forget the little things and the little people even the cleaner who checks out the rubbish bin, they think it all dosen't matter.

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