Marines land in Darwin

Apr 3, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Yahoo!

The first detachment of 200 US Marines has arrived in Australia to undertake training across the Top End for the next six months.

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eww,,,,,,i can picture mold growing outa their uniforms in that kinda harsh enviroment.

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That was fast, Marines dont waist time!
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I can just picture non-Westerner, Humbert, having a drugs' overdose.
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This just in.. In more breaking news.. "blah" pissed in a toilet 43 minutes ago..
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Our sick nation has troops eveywhere....yet we are BROKE

usa...go home....stay there

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I think we shoild disband the military and let someone take us over and see how the rest of the world feels
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Rattle Kattle wrote:
Our sick nation has troops eveywhere....yet we are BROKE
usa...go home....stay there
Humbert (I mean Kattle), these particular troops have temporarily relocated from our Hawaii base to an Australian base. Soldiers get paid wherever they work. These troops, among other duties, will conduct training exercises with the Aussies.
Don't tell me you also want to pull out of Hawaii ? It's kind of far from the US mainland.
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Assistant Professor Robin Tennant-Wood, Faculty of Business and Government, University of Canberra

The establishment of a permanent US Marine base in Darwin could have catastrophic consequences for the Darwin community if their reputation in other Pacific rim bases is anything to go by.

There will, of course, be a lot of talk about boosting the Northern Territory economy and strengthening the Australia-US alliance. Darwin, however, is a small city with a population of less than 130,000, of whom around 10 per cent are Indigenous Australians. A hefty Australian military presence in the city accounts for a further 8 per cent of the population. It has the youngest median age of any Australian city and the highest population turnover of any major city: the 2006 census recorded that 46 per cent of the population had changed in the five years since the previous census.

Due partly to its demographic composition and partly to its isolation, Darwin faces a wall of social problems that the Territory government already struggles to address. A US Marine base with a rotating population is unlikely to help.

It is unknown at this stage what numbers the proposed US base would be bringing in, but their bases in other regional centres are significant: 35,000 military personnel plus 5000 civilian support in Okinawa Prefecture, Japan and 29,000 in six bases in South Korea.

In Okinawa alone, in the period 1952-2004, over 200,000 incidents or accidents including the deaths of almost 11,00 Japanese civilians were directly attributable to the US forces. That’s just over 21 civilian locals killed each year. About 90 per cent of these incidents were traffic related. In Japan, like Australia, traffic drives on the left hand side of the road. Perhaps more alarmingly, criminal offences perpetrated by US service or support personnel in Okinawa account for around one-third of all crime in the prefecture with a total population of 1.3 million.

Darwin already has the highest crime rate of any Australian city; the highest imprisonment rate in Australia (and one of the highest in the world); and the highest Australian rate of homelessness. In 2007 the Australian Institute of Criminology found that almost 75 per cent of people “arrested or detained by police in Darwin were under the influence of illicit drugs.” Similarly, rates of use and abuse of alcohol are higher in Darwin than in any other Australian city. In May this year it was reported that a spike in the number of cases of sexually transmitted diseases and hepatitis had been recorded.

Add a US Marine base to the mix and it likely that many of these social problems will worsen rather than improve. As US military personnel pay taxes to the US government the expected boost to the economy is unlikely to increase the capacity of the NT government to increase health services, crisis accommodation for the homeless, crime prevention programs and drug and alcohol programs. It is unlikely to assist in lifting school retention rates for Indigenous kids or create more apprenticeships or places in tertiary education.

If the Howard-G.W.Bush alliance made Australians slightly squeamish, the Gillard-Obama one may also be cause for concern.
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Myth Buster wrote:
Assistant Professor Robin Tennant-Wood, Faculty of Business and Government, University of Canberra
The establishment of a permanent US Marine base in Darwin could have catastrophic consequences for the Darwin community if their reputation in other Pacific rim bases is anything to go by.
There will, of course, be a lot of talk about boosting the Northern Territory economy and strengthening the Australia-US alliance. Darwin, however, is a small city with a population of less than 130,000, of whom around 10 per cent are Indigenous Australians. A hefty Australian military presence in the city accounts for a further 8 per cent of the population. It has the youngest median age of any Australian city and the highest population turnover of any major city: the 2006 census recorded that 46 per cent of the population had changed in the five years since the previous census.
Due partly to its demographic composition and partly to its isolation, Darwin faces a wall of social problems that the Territory government already struggles to address. A US Marine base with a rotating population is unlikely to help.
It is unknown at this stage what numbers the proposed US base would be bringing in, but their bases in other regional centres are significant: 35,000 military personnel plus 5000 civilian support in Okinawa Prefecture, Japan and 29,000 in six bases in South Korea.
In Okinawa alone, in the period 1952-2004, over 200,000 incidents or accidents including the deaths of almost 11,00 Japanese civilians were directly attributable to the US forces. That’s just over 21 civilian locals killed each year. About 90 per cent of these incidents were traffic related. In Japan, like Australia, traffic drives on the left hand side of the road. Perhaps more alarmingly, criminal offences perpetrated by US service or support personnel in Okinawa account for around one-third of all crime in the prefecture with a total population of 1.3 million.
Darwin already has the highest crime rate of any Australian city; the highest imprisonment rate in Australia (and one of the highest in the world); and the highest Australian rate of homelessness. In 2007 the Australian Institute of Criminology found that almost 75 per cent of people “arrested or detained by police in Darwin were under the influence of illicit drugs.” Similarly, rates of use and abuse of alcohol are higher in Darwin than in any other Australian city. In May this year it was reported that a spike in the number of cases of sexually transmitted diseases and hepatitis had been recorded.
Add a US Marine base to the mix and it likely that many of these social problems will worsen rather than improve. As US military personnel pay taxes to the US government the expected boost to the economy is unlikely to increase the capacity of the NT government to increase health services, crisis accommodation for the homeless, crime prevention programs and drug and alcohol programs. It is unlikely to assist in lifting school retention rates for Indigenous kids or create more apprenticeships or places in tertiary education.
If the Howard-G.W.Bush alliance made Australians slightly squeamish, the Gillard-Obama one may also be cause for concern.
Big yawn.
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Big yawn.
Somebody find your "yawn" brilliant.
Must be your mum.
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Myth Buster wrote:
Assistant Professor Robin Tennant-Wood, Faculty of Business and Government, University of Canberra
The establishment of a permanent US Marine base in Darwin could have catastrophic consequences for the Darwin community if their reputation in other Pacific rim bases is anything to go by.
There will, of course, be a lot of talk about boosting the Northern Territory economy and strengthening the Australia-US alliance. Darwin, however, is a small city with a population of less than 130,000, of whom around 10 per cent are Indigenous Australians. A hefty Australian military presence in the city accounts for a further 8 per cent of the population. It has the youngest median age of any Australian city and the highest population turnover of any major city: the 2006 census recorded that 46 per cent of the population had changed in the five years since the previous census.
Due partly to its demographic composition and partly to its isolation, Darwin faces a wall of social problems that the Territory government already struggles to address. A US Marine base with a rotating population is unlikely to help.
It is unknown at this stage what numbers the proposed US base would be bringing in, but their bases in other regional centres are significant: 35,000 military personnel plus 5000 civilian support in Okinawa Prefecture, Japan and 29,000 in six bases in South Korea.
In Okinawa alone, in the period 1952-2004, over 200,000 incidents or accidents including the deaths of almost 11,00 Japanese civilians were directly attributable to the US forces. That’s just over 21 civilian locals killed each year. About 90 per cent of these incidents were traffic related. In Japan, like Australia, traffic drives on the left hand side of the road. Perhaps more alarmingly, criminal offences perpetrated by US service or support personnel in Okinawa account for around one-third of all crime in the prefecture with a total population of 1.3 million.
Darwin already has the highest crime rate of any Australian city; the highest imprisonment rate in Australia (and one of the highest in the world); and the highest Australian rate of homelessness. In 2007 the Australian Institute of Criminology found that almost 75 per cent of people “arrested or detained by police in Darwin were under the influence of illicit drugs.” Similarly, rates of use and abuse of alcohol are higher in Darwin than in any other Australian city. In May this year it was reported that a spike in the number of cases of sexually transmitted diseases and hepatitis had been recorded.
Add a US Marine base to the mix and it likely that many of these social problems will worsen rather than improve. As US military personnel pay taxes to the US government the expected boost to the economy is unlikely to increase the capacity of the NT government to increase health services, crisis accommodation for the homeless, crime prevention programs and drug and alcohol programs. It is unlikely to assist in lifting school retention rates for Indigenous kids or create more apprenticeships or places in tertiary education.
If the Howard-G.W.Bush alliance made Australians slightly squeamish, the Gillard-Obama one may also be cause for concern.
You're being a bit harsh aren't you?

You know we have troops based in Malaysia (at Butterworth), why don't you petition to have our military personnel kicked out of your country if you're so concerned about the trouble foreign troops cause the local community?

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Myth Buster wrote:
Assistant Professor Robin Tennant-Wood, Faculty of Business and Government, University of Canberra

The establishment of a permanent US Marine base in Darwin could have catastrophic consequences for the Darwin community if their reputation in other Pacific rim bases is anything to go by.

There will, of course, be a lot of talk about boosting the Northern Territory economy and strengthening the Australia-US alliance. Darwin, however, is a small city with a population of less than 130,000, of whom around 10 per cent are Indigenous Australians. A hefty Australian military presence in the city accounts for a further 8 per cent of the population. It has the youngest median age of any Australian city and the highest population turnover of any major city: the 2006 census recorded that 46 per cent of the population had changed in the five years since the previous census.

Due partly to its demographic composition and partly to its isolation, Darwin faces a wall of social problems that the Territory government already struggles to address. A US Marine base with a rotating population is unlikely to help.

It is unknown at this stage what numbers the proposed US base would be bringing in, but their bases in other regional centres are significant: 35,000 military personnel plus 5000 civilian support in Okinawa Prefecture, Japan and 29,000 in six bases in South Korea.

In Okinawa alone, in the period 1952-2004, over 200,000 incidents or accidents including the deaths of almost 11,00 Japanese civilians were directly attributable to the US forces. ThatÂ’s just over 21 civilian locals killed each year. About 90 per cent of these incidents were traffic related. In Japan, like Australia, traffic drives on the left hand side of the road. Perhaps more alarmingly, criminal offences perpetrated by US service or support personnel in Okinawa account for around one-third of all crime in the prefecture with a total population of 1.3 million.

Darwin already has the highest crime rate of any Australian city; the highest imprisonment rate in Australia (and one of the highest in the world); and the highest Australian rate of homelessness. In 2007 the Australian Institute of Criminology found that almost 75 per cent of people “arrested or detained by police in Darwin were under the influence of illicit drugs.” Similarly, rates of use and abuse of alcohol are higher in Darwin than in any other Australian city. In May this year it was reported that a spike in the number of cases of sexually transmitted diseases and hepatitis had been recorded.

Add a US Marine base to the mix and it likely that many of these social problems will worsen rather than improve. As US military personnel pay taxes to the US government the expected boost to the economy is unlikely to increase the capacity of the NT government to increase health services, crisis accommodation for the homeless, crime prevention programs and drug and alcohol programs. It is unlikely to assist in lifting school retention rates for Indigenous kids or create more apprenticeships or places in tertiary education.

If the Howard-G.W.Bush alliance made Australians slightly squeamish, the Gillard-Obama one may also be cause for concern.
I doubt US troops will have any more impact than the Aussie troops and wild card aboriginals would have, Darwin is already a loose place.

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Assistant Professor Robin Tennant-Wood, Faculty of Business and Government, University of Canberra
The establishment of a permanent US Marine base in Darwin could have catastrophic consequences for the Darwin community if their reputation in other Pacific rim bases is anything to go by.
I found that article interesting and the braindeads who marked it clueless wouldn't even understand the implications behind it.

Everything said about Darwin is true and as governments never do anything without an ulterior motive, I guess we'll find out sooner or later what Obama and Gillard have cooked up between them. China could even be right.

Somebody on TV tonight said that, "Australians as a whole are very grumpy at the moment" - what an understatement that is! We're downright pissed off and there's an undercurrent of unrest going on that you'd have to be dead not to feel or know about. Big trouble in the Little House of Mirrors coming up in the future I reckon.

Darwin's got a shortage of women in ratio to the men (due in part to many refugee males being released into the community over the last few years) so will be interesting to see what adding a few thousand Yanks to the mix will do.
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Ryan wrote:
<quoted text>You're being a bit harsh aren't you?
You know we have troops based in Malaysia (at Butterworth), why don't you petition to have our military personnel kicked out of your country if you're so concerned about the trouble foreign troops cause the local community?
In 1988 the Aus Mirages were withdrawn from Butterworth, leaving only a detachment of Orion reconnaissance aircraft, support personnel and an infantry company, supplemented by rotational deployments of F/A-18s from Tindal air base.

There are now only 186 Aus military personels in Malaysia.
Most people here don't notice their presence because their numbers is so small. I guess the Aussies are different in character from the Yanks as well.

The American troops when they break the laws they are tried by their own courts. They are above local laws. In reality they get very light sentences.

Even the My Lai Massacre of Vietnam, most of the enlisted men who were involved in the massacre at My Lai had already left military service, and were thus legally exempt from prosecution. In the end, of the 26 men initially charged, Captain Medina Calley was the only one convicted.

He was convicted on March 29, 1971, of premeditated murder for ordering the shootings. He was initially sentenced to life in prison at hard labor. Two days later, however, President Richard Nixon made the controversial decision to have Calley released, pending appeal of his sentence. Calley's sentence was later adjusted, so that he would eventually serve three and one-half years under house arrest at Fort Benning.[wiki]
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I found that article interesting and the braindeads who marked it clueless wouldn't even understand the implications behind it.
Everything said about Darwin is true and as governments never do anything without an ulterior motive, I guess we'll find out sooner or later what Obama and Gillard have cooked up between them. China could even be right.
Somebody on TV tonight said that, "Australians as a whole are very grumpy at the moment" - what an understatement that is! We're downright pissed off and there's an undercurrent of unrest going on that you'd have to be dead not to feel or know about. Big trouble in the Little House of Mirrors coming up in the future I reckon.
Darwin's got a shortage of women in ratio to the men (due in part to many refugee males being released into the community over the last few years) so will be interesting to see what adding a few thousand Yanks to the mix will do.
It is quite shocking to read that US troops are responsible for 30% of crimes in Okinawa.
10,000 troops in a community of 1.5 mil yet committed 30% of the crimes.
US is actually cutting back on the number of marines.
One of the reason they are posted to Darwin is because the Okinawan hated them and have been campaigning for their removal for decades.
Now the Americans have successfully sold the "China threat" myth to the Australians to justify the transfer of troops from Japan to Aus.
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Right, because My Lai is so typical of how US soldiers behave. Seriously? Not even you are insane enough to believe that.

Also, I'd love to see your source for that BS Okinawa crime figure. I bet you can't produce a credible one.

As for the bonehead professor who somehow thinks that "school retention rates for Indigenous kids" should be a factor considered in the decision to site a military base, that's the funniest thing I've read all day.

Here's the truth, "Myth Buster": It's because of American troops that morons like you have the freedom to post your ridiculous rants on the Internet. The people American troops are fighting wouldn't waste any time killing you if you so much as opened your big mouth once to them. Or even if you didn't.

Keep that in mind the next time you decide to align yourself with people who have nothing but contempt for human life.
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Right, because My Lai is so typical of how US soldiers behave. Seriously? Not even you are insane enough to believe that.

Also, I'd love to see your source for that BS Okinawa crime figure. I bet you can't produce a credible one.

As for the bonehead professor who somehow thinks that "school retention rates for Indigenous kids" should be a factor considered in the decision to site a military base, that's the funniest thing I've read all day.

Here's the truth, "Myth Buster": It's because of American troops that morons like you have the freedom to post your ridiculous rants on the Internet. The people American troops are fighting wouldn't waste any time killing you if you so much as opened your big mouth once to them. Or even if you didn't.

Keep that in mind the next time you decide to align yourself with people who have nothing but contempt for human life.
Myth Buster is a communist Chinese who visits this forum regularly mainly to post anti-US points of view and pro-Chinese propaganda.

Normal Australians don't care much for his rhetoric.
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It is quite shocking to read that US troops are responsible for 30% of crimes in Okinawa.
10,000 troops in a community of 1.5 mil yet committed 30% of the crimes.
US is actually cutting back on the number of marines.
One of the reason they are posted to Darwin is because the Okinawan hated them and have been campaigning for their removal for decades.
Now the Americans have successfully sold the "China threat" myth to the Australians to justify the transfer of troops from Japan to Aus.
U should change your name to a s s crack buster.
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Right, because My Lai is so typical of how US soldiers behave. Seriously? Not even you are insane enough to believe that.
Also, I'd love to see your source for that BS Okinawa crime figure. I bet you can't produce a credible one.
As for the bonehead professor who somehow thinks that "school retention rates for Indigenous kids" should be a factor considered in the decision to site a military base, that's the funniest thing I've read all day.
Here's the truth, "Myth Buster": It's because of American troops that morons like you have the freedom to post your ridiculous rants on the Internet. The people American troops are fighting wouldn't waste any time killing you if you so much as opened your big mouth once to them. Or even if you didn't.
Keep that in mind the next time you decide to align yourself with people who have nothing but contempt for human life.
1)On US troops Crime rate in Okinawa, the article was written by Assistant Professor Robin Tennant-Wood, Faculty of Business and Government, University of Canberra. U shd ask him.
However it has been widely reported that US recruited large number of people with crime record into their military due to shortage of recruits.
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WASHINGTON — The Army over the past year again increased the number of its recruits who have prior criminal records by granting them special exceptions.

In the fiscal year ended Sept. 30, 18 percent of recruits needed waivers for problems with the law — up from 15 percent the previous year, Maj. Gen. Thomas Bostick, commander of the U.S. Army Recruiting Command, told a Pentagon news conference.
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2) My Lai massacre is being repeated in Iraq and Afghanistan.
My point was US troops are above the local laws and when they commit crimes they are often let off the hook lightly. The captain in My Lai was put on house arrest for 3 years.

3) I m not a moron.

4) U claim credit for Americans troops in Vietnam, but they lost the war. When Vietnam invaded Cambodia, USA was too scare to intervene. It was China that punished Vietnam and stopped their march to Bangkok. The joke at that time was only the traffic in Bangkok could Vietnam.
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Myth Buster is a communist Chinese who visits this forum regularly mainly to post anti-US points of view and pro-Chinese propaganda.
Normal Australians don't care much for his rhetoric.
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