Roger Luncheon accuses British govt &...

Roger Luncheon accuses British govt & Fraser Wheeler of inciting terrorism in Guyana

There are 10 comments on the Propaganda press story from May 28, 2009, titled Roger Luncheon accuses British govt & Fraser Wheeler of inciting terrorism in Guyana. In it, Propaganda press reports that:

Dr. Luncheon withdraw from Security Sector reform negotiations - cites UK's contravention of initial agreements Georgetown, GINA, May 27, 2009 Head of the Presidential Secretariat of the Office of the President Dr.

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Veronica

Las Palmas De Gran Canaria, Spain

#1 May 29, 2009
My understanding of this article-

Dr. Luncheon feels insulted because England desires to remain in full control of the implementation of this project, implying we are inept at management, another stumbling block is "ownership" of the project.

He also feels there are "ulterior motives". Dr. Luncheon concludes that Wheeler is insincere and inconsistent and is fully aware he would find the documents offensive and unacceptable. In other words Wheeler wants Luncheon off the project.

Wheeler expressed his concerns regarding the delay in implementation of the plan, persons are "quibbling" over administrative details. He finds financial management of the plan should not be an issue especially in this economic climate. He said both he and Jagdeo are frustrated with the delay.

The UK had given its approval of the agreed design for reform. They offered two documents outlining the implementation of this project.

The plan has five main elements (this is my division of the 5)
1) building the operational capacity of the police force
2) strengthening policy-making across the security sector to make it more transparent, effective, and better coordinated,
3) mainstreaming financial management in the security sector into public sector financial management reform
4) creating substantial parliamentary and other oversight of the security sector;
5) building greater public participation and inclusiveness in security sector issues.

Among the short-term priority areas were:(also my division)
1) the establishment of a special firearms support team to execute high-risk operations with regard to terrorism, hijacking, hostage release and negotiations and specialized tactical deployment;
2) developing an anti-crime unit through support for an operational protocol,
3) provide training on technical aspects of anti-crime operations
4) the acquisition of operational equipment and resources among other things;
5) boosting crime intelligence by supporting the capability of the police force with regard to the:
gathering, analysis, interpretation, dissemination and management of strategic and operational crime-related information and
6) developing forensic capacity.
tyron

Georgetown, Guyana

#2 May 29, 2009
Veronica wrote:
My understanding of this article-
Dr. Luncheon feels insulted because England desires to remain in full control of the implementation of this project, implying we are inept at management, another stumbling block is "ownership" of the project.
Bottom line is that they want to be in full control of the project.
tyron

Georgetown, Guyana

#3 May 29, 2009
Veronica wrote:
He also feels there are "ulterior motives". Dr. Luncheon concludes that Wheeler is insincere and inconsistent and is fully aware he would find the documents offensive and unacceptable. In other words Wheeler wants Luncheon off the project.
So in other words they (UK rep.) sat and talk one thing then decided to do another!!
The British proposal abandons the agreements that were negotiated at the inception of these consultations as if to say “to hell with our proposals”…….
tyron

Georgetown, Guyana

#4 May 29, 2009
This is yet another vindication of the “big guys wanting to control the little guys”!!

The caption for this topic is misleading!! Had to be from the propa-rotten-egg press!!
Veronica

Las Palmas De Gran Canaria, Spain

#5 May 29, 2009
tyron wrote:
<quoted text>Bottom line is that they want to be in full control of the project.
My understanding of the article is UK wants total control. I do not know how this was related in the documents Luncheon received and will not say his conclusions are not correct.

What I do say is this: "let them have complete control of the project, its implementation and management." It is possible UK have no belief in our ability to manage this project. It can also be the UK is using this tactic to abandon the entire project without being the guilty party, knowing full well Luncheon will not miss the insults and will react emotionally.

If Luncheon will look at it from another angle, and say to himself: "okay, we are unfit to implement and manage the project, fine, go ahead knock yourself out you have my blessings. At least I have one less task to worry about."

What exactly is the priority here, having your goals realized or managing the project.

In another article that I scanned through on Stabroek news. Luncheon declares our sovereignty is at stake. I did not do an in depth read so don't know exactly what "ownership" of the project implies. Does it means that our security forces will fall under UK governance?

This is something you can sink your teeth in and give us the lowdown.
Veronica

Las Palmas De Gran Canaria, Spain

#6 May 29, 2009
tyron wrote:
<quoted text>So in other words they (UK rep.) sat and talk one thing then decided to do another!!
The British proposal abandons the agreements that were negotiated at the inception of these consultations as if to say “to hell with our proposals”…….
The UK agreed to the plan issued by Luncheon, then added two documents, which tells a somewhat different story in which the have total control and ownership. The UK are the financiers and the knowledge bearers, but the plan itself is Luncheon and his group's baby.

Are we talking about intellectual property rights or something completely different. Why is "ownership" of the project a stumbling block?

Wheeler suggested due to "quibbling" by some govt. people over administrative details, a delay has accor. He also said the money is hanging here use it or lose it. I think the money is long gone. The UK is in dire straits. They may want to pull out and remain looking like the "nice" guy.

When dealing with these nations one must grow "thick" skins. the coloured man is always accused of being too emotional not business like enough.
tyron

Georgetown, Guyana

#7 Jun 1, 2009
Veronica wrote:
<quoted text>
In another article that I scanned through on Stabroek news. Luncheon declares our sovereignty is at stake. I did not do an in depth read so don't know exactly what "ownership" of the project implies. Does it means that our security forces will fall under UK governance?
The entire program will fall under the UK governance and guidance.
Veronica

Madrid, Spain

#8 Jun 1, 2009
tyron wrote:
<quoted text>The entire program will fall under the UK governance and guidance.
So, why is this considered an insult and how can this effect our sovereignty?
tyron

Georgetown, Guyana

#9 Jun 1, 2009
Veronica wrote:
<quoted text>So, why is this considered an insult and how can this effect our sovereignty?
Considered an insult since that makes us look as though we can’t manage it effectively.
In regards to our sovereignty that is thinking a bit ahead of how far it might lead up to.
Veronica

Madrid, Spain

#10 Jun 1, 2009
tyron wrote:
<quoted text>Considered an insult since that makes us look as though we can’t manage it effectively.
In regards to our sovereignty that is thinking a bit ahead of how far it might lead up to.
Do you know how many times governments employ project management/ consultants offices to manage a project. And do you know these organizations costs an arm and a leg. In this instance the reaction is over the top, men are too sensitive. Let them do the job, take a view in the back and watch your eyes out. If it goes good complement yourself on a good decision, if it goes bad, you can point a finger at the other guy.

The thinking ahead bit is difficult.

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