Sled ban OK'd

Sled ban OK'd

There are 44 comments on the Evening Sun story from Jan 20, 2010, titled Sled ban OK'd. In it, Evening Sun reports that:

The snow might come, but the sledders better not. In a 3-2-vote Tuesday night, the West Manheim Township supervisors voted to ban sledding on the hills that surround the Baltimore Pike municipal building that formerly was home to West Manheim Elementary School.

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layed back

Carlisle, PA

#1 Jan 21, 2010
excuse me--- what is the difference in liability if someone gets injured at the park instead of the township building??????????
sue happy

State College, PA

#2 Jan 21, 2010
It's a real shame that everyone has to make decisions based on who might sue you. I really beleive the world was a little better place back when I was growing up and sueing someone was not the first thought in everyones mind.

Looking out for your neighbor, respecting other peoples property, and if accidents happened, then someone stood up and took accountabilty for there actions and repaired what was broken. Lordy do I miss those days.
Private Property

Carlisle, PA

#3 Jan 21, 2010
layed back wrote:
excuse me--- what is the difference in liability if someone gets injured at the park instead of the township building??????????
The WHOLE point is the kids are going onto private property and getting injured. The hills out there won't back to private property.
Pokey

United States

#4 Jan 21, 2010
How about skiing or walking on our own public owned land? Or God forbid snowmobiling! I think the kids need more exercise, now they have another excuse to stay home and play video games. If a property owner does not want trespassers, then there are other ways to handle that without a ban. Next there will be a permit sold to help pay for the potential lawsuit that may happen. For what, the three times a year we have snow to enjoy? I wold like to see everyone arrested after the next big snow and clog up the court system and see what other bans we can implement without thinking of a compromise that would work for all.
Darly

United States

#5 Jan 21, 2010
Hmm, looks like the Grinch and his friends have moved to West Manheim Township.
scott

Carlisle, PA

#6 Jan 21, 2010
All we hear is that kids today are obese and don't want to do anything other than sit in front of a computer or television, and there may be some truth to that in a very large part due to adults. Everyone is so worried about possible injuries. Well guess what, scratches and bruises are part of growing up. Adults are to blame for making it next to impossible for kids to be able to do anything other than sit in front of the computer. This is just one more example of common sense no longer being so common anymore.
stressed

Hanover, PA

#7 Jan 21, 2010
My property backs up to the hill at the township and I never had a problem with any sledders in the 14 years I've lived here. These issues were never brought up until the Township moved to the school. I think it should be a public vote. Attending the meetings seems to be a waste of time. They NEVER listen to what the residents want. Things must change around here!
answer

Belleville, PA

#8 Jan 21, 2010
layed back wrote:
excuse me--- what is the difference in liability if someone gets injured at the park instead of the township building??????????
Less chance of injury when there are no obstacles in the way. No porches, no pipes, or other materials laying around at the park. I think the supervisors are trying to do what is best for the township. Do you really want to spend thousands of taxpayer dollars in a legal battle because someone got a bloody nose or a broken arm when they hit a fence or a house?
Common Tater

Harrisburg, PA

#9 Jan 21, 2010
Do you suppose if they continued to allow sledding then they must also allow bikes and skaters? What about just hiking? What gives any one group privilege over another? This area is in need of a safe place for kids to be kids without the local government taking away and giving excuses.
scott

Carlisle, PA

#10 Jan 21, 2010
answer wrote:
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Less chance of injury when there are no obstacles in the way. No porches, no pipes, or other materials laying around at the park. I think the supervisors are trying to do what is best for the township. Do you really want to spend thousands of taxpayer dollars in a legal battle because someone got a bloody nose or a broken arm when they hit a fence or a house?
I have an even better idea. Lets wrap everyone in bubble wrap and make it illegal to get out your seat. That way there is even less chance of injury.
not that old

United States

#11 Jan 21, 2010
I guess I sound like an old fogey but I'm glad I grew up when I did...riding your bike all over town without a bike helmet, the jungle gym was on blacktop and if you fell you skinned your knees, you could be outside all day and as long as you were in the neighborhood you were safe, sledding on the hill at Hanover Country Club, ice skating on local ponds, and racing homemade go-karts down the alleys. Sometimes you got hurt but that was just part of being a kid and no one sued anyone, it was just an accident or you were doing something you shouldn't have been doing anyway. Somebody's mom would drop us off in downtown Hanover and we'd shop at Kleffel's and other stores downtown and then walk to the Mall and get pizza at Scotto's.
stressed

Hanover, PA

#12 Jan 21, 2010
scott wrote:
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I have an even better idea. Lets wrap everyone in bubble wrap and make it illegal to get out your seat. That way there is even less chance of injury.
I bet they would make you get a permit for that bubble ...lol
tracy

Philadelphia, PA

#13 Jan 21, 2010
OMG...let's see...no biking, skateboarding, longboarding and now no sledding. Let's just stop kids from actually doing anything out doors and put them back in front of that computer/tv...oh that's right...they are not supposed to do that either. Maybe we should all just stop having kids since the old f-rts that run the community can't remember what they did when they were young!
DooB

Hanover, PA

#14 Jan 21, 2010
How many times a year would you say we get a good snow for sledding in West Manheim?
Lifetime resident

Chillicothe, OH

#15 Jan 21, 2010
not that old wrote:
I guess I sound like an old fogey but I'm glad I grew up when I did...riding your bike all over town without a bike helmet, the jungle gym was on blacktop and if you fell you skinned your knees, you could be outside all day and as long as you were in the neighborhood you were safe, sledding on the hill at Hanover Country Club, ice skating on local ponds, and racing homemade go-karts down the alleys. Sometimes you got hurt but that was just part of being a kid and no one sued anyone, it was just an accident or you were doing something you shouldn't have been doing anyway. Somebody's mom would drop us off in downtown Hanover and we'd shop at Kleffel's and other stores downtown and then walk to the Mall and get pizza at Scotto's.
You just described my childhood and I couldn't agree more.
Heres a thought

United States

#16 Jan 21, 2010
Sounds to me like the posters here are a bunch of worried parents that their kids might be hanging around the house if they can't go sledding. What happened to teaching children to respect and stay off others' property? If you're so worried about obesity, where are you when they are in front of the tv? Asking them to go for a walk, a bike ride, driving them to the park where sledding is allowed? Didn't think so. Now I agree, there isn't much kids can do these days but it's the parents' fault that couldn't teach their kids enough respect towards others and their belongings that have created all these rules and regulations. If parents got back to being parents and kids did activities without defacing property or fighting or disturbing others, I'm willing to bet the rules wouldn't be enforced so strictly. Normally police don't seek out those that aren't causing trouble.
Steve

Moorestown, NJ

#17 Jan 21, 2010
Unfortunately, the municipal park is not within walking distance of many people. Based on the directions listed above, it isn't really close to anyone in the township. There are very few places suitable for sledding in the area. All of the kids who live in the area of the old school now must be transported to the new municipal park, if you can find it. Hope no one moves the hay bales. Seems that we have one or two people who have moved into the area who want to bring the sledding to an end. And because the local officials would rather eliminate the sledding instead of coming up with a compromise, makes you wonder what else this group may just decide to eliminate instead of dealing with it. Just another case of bad decision making on the part of this group of leaders. Our we really being lead in the direction that we want our township to go? Think about it!!!!
Amazed again

Downingtown, PA

#18 Jan 21, 2010
tracy wrote:
OMG...let's see...no biking, skateboarding, longboarding and now no sledding. Let's just stop kids from actually doing anything out doors and put them back in front of that computer/tv...oh that's right...they are not supposed to do that either. Maybe we should all just stop having kids since the old f-rts that run the community can't remember what they did when they were young!
Two issues here. First, the sledders are starting out on public property, but are ending up on private property. While most of the neighbors say this okay, you can be sure the first time a sledder hits an obstacle and is seriously injuried, they will sue the property owner, and the property owner in turn will sue the township because they knew there were issues but still allowed it, and the vicious cycle will begin. It's sad we must be concerned with lawsuits, but as soon as it happens, we'll hear the other side of the arguement that the township KNEW this was a problem, why did they allow it to go on. No one wins this one. Secondly, since when did it become the government's job to take care of our children. First we complain government is in our face too much, now we can't get enough of the government. Oh, that's right - the government is an intruding beast, until it benefits me! As parents, it's our place to entertain our children (and teach them respect), not any level of the government. Let's step up to the plate parents.
No Trespassing

Silver Spring, MD

#19 Jan 21, 2010
I agree with Private Property. How would you all like it if you had to deal with strangers on your property every time it snowed? Not only are the children getting hurt, but they are also damaging things on people's PRIVATE yards when they shouldn't even be there. Why should the neighboring homeowners have to take a second out of their time to fix their septic pipe? The Park is a much safer place for them to go and with no homeowners bordering it, so no problems! Codorus is nearby, too.
justice for all

Baltimore, MD

#20 Jan 21, 2010
not that old wrote:
I guess I sound like an old fogey but I'm glad I grew up when I did...riding your bike all over town without a bike helmet, the jungle gym was on blacktop and if you fell you skinned your knees, you could be outside all day and as long as you were in the neighborhood you were safe, sledding on the hill at Hanover Country Club, ice skating on local ponds, and racing homemade go-karts down the alleys. Sometimes you got hurt but that was just part of being a kid and no one sued anyone, it was just an accident or you were doing something you shouldn't have been doing anyway. Somebody's mom would drop us off in downtown Hanover and we'd shop at Kleffel's and other stores downtown and then walk to the Mall and get pizza at Scotto's.
I agree 100 percent. To have lawyers determine our everyday lives and deny our children of the fun of being young and innocent is destroying our culture. Just keep this in mind when lawyers get bored with their jobs the become politicians.

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