Blackhawks are more fun to watch than Bulls

It took only about 40 years to come back around, but it's official. I enjoy watching hockey more than basketball. Full Story
Tony Bologna

Aurora, IL

#21 Jan 5, 2009
The Bulls management and John Paxson has mismanaged the Bulls into the ground. They overvalued Luol Deng so much so that they wouldn't include him in deals for Pau Gasol or Kobe Bryant... oops. Deng has not turned into the superstar they thought he would. While he is a solid NBA starter, he is no superstar. Basically giving away Tyson Chandler... oops. Opting for Tyrus Thomas over LaMarcus Aldridge... oops.

Tallon, McDonough, and Wirtz are the anti-Paxson and Reinsdorf. The Blackhawks know how to use top draft picks, e.g. Toews and Kane. They acquired Patrick Sharp for a bag of Cheetos. They also have the youngest team in the league. Only the two goalies (Khabibulin and Huet) and Craig Adams are in their 30's, everyone else is 29 or younger--many of them in their early 20's.

Two teams going in different directions...
Nada Surf

B M Goldwater A F Range, AZ

#22 Jan 5, 2009
John wrote:
How you keep a job writing about sports is amazing. You never write anything worth reading. I don't know why I even clicked this piece of garbage. Until Jordan joined the Bulls they were nothing in this town. The Bulls are back where they belong.
You must not go back too far...
The Bulls had plenty of exciting moments during the Sloan/Van Lier/Love/Walker years and a few more during the Gilmore/Theus eras.
The NHL became the worst hockey product of any form of hockey and interest in pro hockey in Chicago sunk like the stock market of 2007-08.
Currently, getting a root canal would be more fun than watching the Un-Watcha-Bulls.
Nada Surf

B M Goldwater A F Range, AZ

#23 Jan 5, 2009
Mike wrote:
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Sorry, the Bulls will never own this town again.
Ive been to both sports at the UC and there is no comparison from a basketball game to a hockey game. At a hockey game the crowd is focused on the action. Everyone stays in their seats during play to actually watch the game. At a basketball game there are so many distractions during a game that its almost impossible to watch.
Hockey was never dead in this town, just lulled to sleep by the monotone voice of Pully.
Gimme a break.
Take it from a guy who grew up going to games to see the Hulls, Mikita, Esposito, Martin and, later, Savard, hockey died in Chicago as it did just about everywhere. And the NHL had nobody but itself to blame.
Nada Surf

B M Goldwater A F Range, AZ

#24 Jan 5, 2009
Steve wrote:
True. From '85 to '96 (beginning Jordan, ending Roenick), both teams were top of the world. I don't know how far back your history goes, Brian from Naperville, but you clearly forgot or have no idea how much a draw the Hawks were in the 60s, 70s, and 80s. They were on WGN like they sometimes are now, and Bobby Hull had hair.
I was debating hockey vs. hoops with a friend, and can anyone explain why basketballers can't go for an hour? Why only 48? Maybe if they extended the game, you'd a) get the slouch players in shape and b) return a semblance of fundamentals and efficiency. Of course, with commercials and timeouts, you'd actually be extending each game by an hour, one of the reasons why the end of a close hockey game is eminently more thrilling than anything b-ball or football can manage.
You're going backward...
An NBA game shouldn't be increased to 60 minutes.
It should be reduced to 10 minutes since the players just screw around for 38 minutes because they know they can get hot and catch up from any deficit because of the ridiculous 3-point shot.
Have four different games of 10-minutes each for the fans and have them rotate around the cities.
Nada Surf

B M Goldwater A F Range, AZ

#25 Jan 5, 2009
Section 317 wrote:
The Bulls never compared to the Hawks in the mid '60s. This is especially evident if you consider the Bulls didn't exist as a franchise until 1967.
I don't recall the Bulls receiving a lot of attention in the early '70s. The Blackhawks heartbreaking Stanley Cup loss in '71 overshadowed the sports scene. I'm not quite old enough to remember, but the Hawks (so I'm told) were the toughest ticket in town back in the '60s.
Michael Jordan did for the Bulls what Bobby Hull did for the Blackhawks. Each of them brought their respective teams from the nether regions of consciousness to the forefront of the local sports scene. The Hawks lived for years off of their resident superstars (Hull/Mikita/Espo than Savard/Larmer/Wilson, etc then Roenick/Belfour and then nothing) until they began their fade in the late '90s.
The Bulls are currently living off of residual interest from the Jordan era. I would guess they need to get some star players and some seasons where they can mount a serious charge for the NBA title (if not win it) to keep their fan base from dwindling. If the Bulls can't accomplish those things over the next decade - they'll begin to become more and more of an afterthought around here.
Here's an indication of how big hockey in Chicago was in the late 60s and early 70s.
Since the home games were sold out and NO TEAM across the league was allowed to show home games on TV, several Chicagoland movie theatres were able to show the home games and charge admission. It was kinda like being at the game watching on the big screens and the theatres were packed.
I'm 50, and I'll bet many Chicago sports fans would agree with me--the late 60s-early-70s Hawks and the NHL in general was the most exciting of all Chicago teams/sports from 1967 on up to the current day...
That includes the '85 Bears, the Jordan-Era Bulls and the White Sox Series run.
Nada Surf

B M Goldwater A F Range, AZ

#26 Jan 5, 2009
Kevin wrote:
NO ONE compared to the Blackhawks from 1967 until 1973-74. LEAST of all the neophyte Bulls. The Stadium was sold out every night (16,667 plus those in the rafters) without benefit of home TV AND with the radio games starting at the end of the 1st period. I remember going to get Bobby Hull's autograph at Korvette's in Oak Lawn, standing in a line that snaked back to 87th Street for 2 hours, and getting in to see Bobby signing away with a smile and probably covering the 200 people in line behind me. There was not a single Sox player who could draw like that on the South Side.
Reinsdorf likes to think he built a 6 time champion when really he lucked into Michael Jordan. Take him away and they would not have won a single championship. Their TV ads tell it all: they don't sell the game or the team, they have people talking about bringing business associates and having a great time - no doubt eating the free grub and drinking the free suds on this salesman.
I wonder if it really sticks in Reinsdorf's craw that his Bulls and Joking Noah are being overtaken in laps by the Hawks, with an ex Cub at the helm?
Outstanding post!
I got Bobby Hull's and Stan Mikita's autograph at the same time at Black's Drug Store that was on Sacramento and Montrose. The line extended at least five blocks. The owner had several Hawk players there throughout the seasons. I remember the nicest of them all was Doug Jarrett...
Both Hull and Mikita were bigger than Banks, Santo, Williams, Melton and Carlos May. Dick Allen then created quite a stir but never would have been as big a draw in racist Chicago as Hull and Mikita.
Nada Surf

B M Goldwater A F Range, AZ

#27 Jan 5, 2009
Tom wrote:
If it wasn't for Bill Wirtz and Michael Jordan the Hawks would have always been the dominant winter sports team.
You could have a point.
One of the dumbest things the stupid NHL did was to separate the original six teams: Chicago, Detroit, Boston, New York (Rangers), Toronto and Montreal. They should have kept them all in one division and the next six (Philly, Pitt, LA, Oak, Minn and St.Louis) in another division.
Nada Surf

B M Goldwater A F Range, AZ

#28 Jan 5, 2009
rflash1 wrote:
The Bulls? Nobody ever rooted for the Bulls. For a time people came to the Stadium to see some guy named Michael Jordon, but there has never been any interest in the Bulls in this city. Now, the Hawks, this is a franchise loaded with Chicago Sport icons: Bobby Hull, Stan Makita, Tony Esposito, Dennis Savard, and many others. The old Stadium used to pack them in every night. EVERY NIGHT. And don't call MJ a Chicago icon. He's an NBA icon. He does not belong to Chicago. Chicago is all the icons already noted from the Hawks as well as guys like Billy Williams and Ernie Banks, Minnie Minoso, Dick Butkus, Coach Ditka, Gayle Sayers and Walter Payton. Dang, half the 85 Bears still hang out in Chicago. Who's more Chicago, Dan Hampton or MJ? Chicago is a working class town, and hockey, like football is sport that requires work. Ever since the 80s, basketball has been about the prima-donnas. Nobody cares about the Bulls. Heck, MJ ran out town the few Chicago guys the Bulls had, guys like Craig Hodges and Horace Grant, guys who would go out to the local playgrounds and shoot hoops with the neighborhood kids. The Hawks are Budwiser and Schlitz and Hamms in a pub. The Bulls are Dom Perignon in a skybox where the only thing anyone notices is highlight-reel dunk.
You're right when you say the Hawks became the Budweiser, Schlitz and Hamms in a pub. Those are the three worst beers and the Hawks were always one of the three worst teams.
boss tweed mummert

Westchester, IL

#29 Jan 6, 2009
Section 317 wrote:
The Bulls never compared to the Hawks in the mid '60s. This is especially evident if you consider the Bulls didn't exist as a franchise until 1967.
I don't recall the Bulls receiving a lot of attention in the early '70s. The Blackhawks heartbreaking Stanley Cup loss in '71 overshadowed the sports scene. I'm not quite old enough to remember, but the Hawks (so I'm told) were the toughest ticket in town back in the '60s.
Michael Jordan did for the Bulls what Bobby Hull did for the Blackhawks. Each of them brought their respective teams from the nether regions of consciousness to the forefront of the local sports scene. The Hawks lived for years off of their resident superstars (Hull/Mikita/Espo than Savard/Larmer/Wilson, etc then Roenick/Belfour and then nothing) until they began their fade in the late '90s.
The Bulls are currently living off of residual interest from the Jordan era. I would guess they need to get some star players and some seasons where they can mount a serious charge for the NBA title (if not win it) to keep their fan base from dwindling. If the Bulls can't accomplish those things over the next decade - they'll begin to become more and more of an afterthought around here.
agreed to a point. blackhawks started to lose fans when bobby hull justifiably left the blackhawks in 72 for the winnepeg jets in the newly formed world hockey league. of course, like the bears, the blackhawks were cheap then. bobby hull was the star who packed the fans in for those 6 new expansion teams in 67-71, and deserved the big bucks, but wirtz wouldn't pay him his due. blackhawks made it to cup finals in 73, but lost to montreal again. fans dropped off after that, but came back in the 80's during the sevard-secord era. the chicago bulls did have a very nice run from 1969 - 1975. they won over 50 games for 5 years in a row coached by dick motta, falling short in the 1975 semifinals, to the golden state warriors. bob love flushed his jersey down the toilet, messing up the old big barns plumbing big time. the bulls drew well during that period. miss sneaking beers in, easy back then, especially with wintercoats. those days are gone forever, with the society we live in now.
Section 317

Chicago, IL

#30 Jan 6, 2009
boss tweed mummert wrote:
<quoted text>agreed to a point. blackhawks started to lose fans when bobby hull justifiably left the blackhawks in 72 for the winnepeg jets in the newly formed world hockey league. of course, like the bears, the blackhawks were cheap then. bobby hull was the star who packed the fans in for those 6 new expansion teams in 67-71, and deserved the big bucks, but wirtz wouldn't pay him his due. blackhawks made it to cup finals in 73, but lost to montreal again. fans dropped off after that, but came back in the 80's during the sevard-secord era. the chicago bulls did have a very nice run from 1969 - 1975. they won over 50 games for 5 years in a row coached by dick motta, falling short in the 1975 semifinals, to the golden state warriors. bob love flushed his jersey down the toilet, messing up the old big barns plumbing big time. the bulls drew well during that period. miss sneaking beers in, easy back then, especially with wintercoats. those days are gone forever, with the society we live in now.
Thanks for the early '70s Bulls record. I honestly didn't follow them back then, but based on your recap, I'd say they were a bit better than the Hawks by '75 - though I recall both teams tanking by the late '70s (the Hawks dive of this era can be attributed in part to the WHA).

Yes, its tough to sneak beers in these days, but I got a little secret: You can sneak a half pint in your jacket pocket as long as its not visible. I do it now and then at the UC, however, I'm extremely discreet in my usage, and I bring my empty with me when I leave each and every time. So - leave no evidence - and the secret of getting away with something is never to overdue it :) BTW - I take the L to and from games so no one need worry about driving....
Nada Surf

B M Goldwater A F Range, AZ

#31 Jan 6, 2009
boss tweed mummert wrote:
<quoted text>agreed to a point. blackhawks started to lose fans when bobby hull justifiably left the blackhawks in 72 for the winnepeg jets in the newly formed world hockey league. of course, like the bears, the blackhawks were cheap then. bobby hull was the star who packed the fans in for those 6 new expansion teams in 67-71, and deserved the big bucks, but wirtz wouldn't pay him his due. blackhawks made it to cup finals in 73, but lost to montreal again. fans dropped off after that, but came back in the 80's during the sevard-secord era. the chicago bulls did have a very nice run from 1969 - 1975. they won over 50 games for 5 years in a row coached by dick motta, falling short in the 1975 semifinals, to the golden state warriors. bob love flushed his jersey down the toilet, messing up the old big barns plumbing big time. the bulls drew well during that period. miss sneaking beers in, easy back then, especially with wintercoats. those days are gone forever, with the society we live in now.
Ahh, yes...the Bacardi 151 rum with the cheap cokes. I remember it well.
I didn't understand the Love/toilet thing though. Did he really do that?
Nada Surf

B M Goldwater A F Range, AZ

#32 Jan 6, 2009
Section 317 wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks for the early '70s Bulls record. I honestly didn't follow them back then, but based on your recap, I'd say they were a bit better than the Hawks by '75 - though I recall both teams tanking by the late '70s (the Hawks dive of this era can be attributed in part to the WHA).
Yes, its tough to sneak beers in these days, but I got a little secret: You can sneak a half pint in your jacket pocket as long as its not visible. I do it now and then at the UC, however, I'm extremely discreet in my usage, and I bring my empty with me when I leave each and every time. So - leave no evidence - and the secret of getting away with something is never to overdue it :) BTW - I take the L to and from games so no one need worry about driving....
Well, ya just blew that idea!
I'm sure this will be mentioned to security now.
Ya meant well, though.
boss tweed mummert

Westchester, IL

#33 Jan 6, 2009
Nada Surf wrote:
<quoted text>Ahh, yes...the Bacardi 151 rum with the cheap cokes. I remember it well.
I didn't understand the Love/toilet thing though. Did he really do that?
butterbean was shipped out of town to bill russel's seattle supersonics. russell had always been a big fan of love's. he was nba's all defensive team duing that period. butter would get his 20-25, and hold the likes of rick barry to 12-15, day in day out. should be in the basketball hall of fame. didn't get his chance until he was nearly 30. also had to overcome stuttering issues, which cost him thousands in endorsements. does work now, as an advocate to help people with stuttering problems. unsuccessful candidate for alderman in chicago, a few years ago. sad, because love would have made a good alderman. problem there he wasn't "made" by the power-ups. problem with the bulls; like the bears with qb issues; is the bulls besides cartwright, have never had a good center. if gilmore would have been with the bulls during that motta era, sloan, van lier, walker, and love would have had a ring or 2. gilmore came when love was leaving, and only played with van lier a couple seasons. almost beat the 76-77 portland trail blazers in a 2 out of 3. love's jersey in the toilet, can't remember if i read or heard through dahl, brandmeier, or boars&bernstein. could be an urban legend like hull-o'bradevich fight, vince evans-revie sorey fight, and harry carey-mrs busch affair.
Nada Surf

B M Goldwater A F Range, AZ

#34 Jan 6, 2009
boss tweed mummert wrote:
<quoted text>butterbean was shipped out of town to bill russel's seattle supersonics. russell had always been a big fan of love's. he was nba's all defensive team duing that period. butter would get his 20-25, and hold the likes of rick barry to 12-15, day in day out. should be in the basketball hall of fame. didn't get his chance until he was nearly 30. also had to overcome stuttering issues, which cost him thousands in endorsements. does work now, as an advocate to help people with stuttering problems. unsuccessful candidate for alderman in chicago, a few years ago. sad, because love would have made a good alderman. problem there he wasn't "made" by the power-ups. problem with the bulls; like the bears with qb issues; is the bulls besides cartwright, have never had a good center. if gilmore would have been with the bulls during that motta era, sloan, van lier, walker, and love would have had a ring or 2. gilmore came when love was leaving, and only played with van lier a couple seasons. almost beat the 76-77 portland trail blazers in a 2 out of 3. love's jersey in the toilet, can't remember if i read or heard through dahl, brandmeier, or boars&bernstein. could be an urban legend like hull-o'bradevich fight, vince evans-revie sorey fight, and harry carey-mrs busch affair.
Bobby Hull fought Ed O'Bradovich?. Who won?
boss tweed mummert

Westchester, IL

#35 Jan 6, 2009
Nada Surf wrote:
<quoted text>Bobby Hull fought Ed O'Bradovich?. Who won?
according to the ongoing urban legend, hull, 1 punch, at ditka's old bowling alley, which is still a bowling alley, the willowbrook bowl, willowbrook, il. a big blackhawk buddy of mine, says he asked hull about this a few years ago at one of those charitable golf outings, over drinks afterwards. and hull said no, total bs. he also said hull had a huge grin when asked, laughing all the time and saying there was no truth to the story, but bobby did admit hearing about this story numerous times. so who knows, i doubt google. there was always a lot of notoriety involved with ditka's bowl. sometime in that 1962-65 period, one of the quarterbacks from the university of illinois was killed at ditka's bowl. i can't remember any of the details or the outcome. i believe the qb's name was fred custardo, and the 2 bear players detained were bill george, and joe marconi. as i recall, it was one of those things, that was very hushed up. my guess, a fight broke out, accidental death, and out of court settlements. really loved sports back then as a teenager. those guys didn't make much money back then, and hardly any pension money. that's why ditka jumped on that disability cause for those old nfl players. all the athletes of today should pray to the god, of curt flood.
Definitions

Chicago, IL

#36 Jan 7, 2009
NHL Hockey = Team Sport
NBA Basketball = Gangland Activity
Nada Surf

B M Goldwater A F Range, AZ

#37 Jan 7, 2009
Definitions wrote:
NHL Hockey = Team Sport
NBA Basketball = Gangland Activity
Definitions=Racist.
Nada Surf

B M Goldwater A F Range, AZ

#38 Jan 7, 2009
boss tweed mummert wrote:
<quoted text>according to the ongoing urban legend, hull, 1 punch, at ditka's old bowling alley, which is still a bowling alley, the willowbrook bowl, willowbrook, il. a big blackhawk buddy of mine, says he asked hull about this a few years ago at one of those charitable golf outings, over drinks afterwards. and hull said no, total bs. he also said hull had a huge grin when asked, laughing all the time and saying there was no truth to the story, but bobby did admit hearing about this story numerous times. so who knows, i doubt google. there was always a lot of notoriety involved with ditka's bowl. sometime in that 1962-65 period, one of the quarterbacks from the university of illinois was killed at ditka's bowl. i can't remember any of the details or the outcome. i believe the qb's name was fred custardo, and the 2 bear players detained were bill george, and joe marconi. as i recall, it was one of those things, that was very hushed up. my guess, a fight broke out, accidental death, and out of court settlements. really loved sports back then as a teenager. those guys didn't make much money back then, and hardly any pension money. that's why ditka jumped on that disability cause for those old nfl players. all the athletes of today should pray to the god, of curt flood.
Whew! Good thing that death wasn't overblown! The Bears would have sucked.
Steve

Lake Villa, IL

#39 Jan 7, 2009
Nada Surf wrote:
<quoted text>Definitions=Racist.
No kidding. There are exponentially more multi-player skirmishes in the NHL and MLB than the NBA. You wanna talk about gang mentality, read about life in Canadian juniors.
The R

Richton Park, IL

#40 Jan 7, 2009
Steve wrote:
<quoted text>
No kidding. There are exponentially more multi-player skirmishes in the NHL and MLB than the NBA. You wanna talk about gang mentality, read about life in Canadian juniors.
Yeah, Patrick Roy would be a good source.

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