Vallejo considers modifying zoning to allow brewpubs and wine tasting rooms

Jun 6, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Vallejo Times-Herald

Vallejo has taken the first step toward removing roadblocks for entrepreneurs interested in opening downtown brewpubs or wine- and beer-tasting rooms.

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Yeah

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Would love it. Only one catch... I don't think enough people here can afford to go to a wine bar and brew pub. I can and do when I am in other cities.
Downtown Joes is a great brewery / pub / restaurant in Napa. None of the lowlife you meet in Vallejo either..
I think a wine bar and brew pub idea probably has more class than most of the downtown inhabitants. You also may get mugged. Just sayin. I don't even go to China Wok anymore because the area is so skanky.
Why has the city always fought any attempt to make this better?
GEE

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Yeah wrote:
Would love it. Only one catch... I don't think enough people here can afford to go to a wine bar and brew pub. I can and do when I am in other cities.
Downtown Joes is a great brewery / pub / restaurant in Napa. None of the lowlife you meet in Vallejo either..
I think a wine bar and brew pub idea probably has more class than most of the downtown inhabitants. You also may get mugged. Just sayin. I don't even go to China Wok anymore because the area is so skanky.Why has the city always fought any attempt to make this better?
They are trying now. The Planning Comm. meeting was short but to the point, council is next.

I do not know about the affordability spin, but by not living in the down town area and after having done a few rounds of sampling, how irresponsible would it be to get in a vehicle and drive home?

That's were living downtown is of benefit....

I do not frequent our down town very often, but would wager a bet that were more quality entertainment and shopping opportunities available, more people would populate those streets and less of the criminal element would co-mingle and able to roll us.
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Jun 6, 2012
 
Even the most ghetto businesses have a hard time surviving down town. The gross taqueria, the corner store...

I have seen neighborhoods transformed by the opening of a single business young chefs opened Flying Saucer on 22nd and Valencia in SF. At the time it was gang ridden and there were frequent shooting, but that's the only place they could afford. Two years later there were 10 more , now it's a food destination and the low class element was forced out by higher rents.

The city has fought such development here.

The big difference is that SF inhabitants are more affluent and sophisticated and can afford to support local business. There are a lot of people here struggling to get by.

I am not sure enough people here can afford to pay $11 bucks for a glass of wine or $6 bucks for a delicious hand crafted beer.
WTH

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Jun 6, 2012
 
Nobody wants to patronize a business located in a decaying, crime ridden ghetto. Especially at night. Until things change drastically, and people feel safe here, nothing will succeed. We need multiple successful, businesses all over town and plenty of officers to respond to emergencies. Until then you're just drawing a few stragglers in to become victims of a robbery. We need solutions, not pipe dreams.
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WTH wrote:
Nobody wants to patronize a business located in a decaying, crime ridden ghetto. Especially at night. Until things change drastically, and people feel safe here, nothing will succeed. We need multiple successful, businesses all over town and plenty of officers to respond to emergencies. Until then you're just drawing a few stragglers in to become victims of a robbery. We need solutions, not pipe dreams.
That is the point, we need more businesses down town and the city is trying to relax the zoning that will allow them to settle here. Down town is ground zero before we even can hope for other businesses settling throughout our community. The much awaited and hoped for micro brewery on Georgia could not open because of zoning restrictions along with other unknown issues the public may not be privy to.

Nobody will come to the down town for a single brew pub, wine bar or restaurant etc. especially if it does not have an excellent product. The more foot traffic, the safer the area will become. More customers equate to more successful merchants who in turn will keep their establishments and the adjoining streets brightly lit to attract more business. The only disturbances we will see will come from the intoxicated crowd. Hopefully the district will become successful enough to have their own security.

Pipe dream? No, its called a vision.
WTH

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I've been listening to this crap for years. It's NEVER going to happen. Nobody has the courage to do what it would take to clean up this town.
Yeah

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Not as long as people have a mentality like yours of lowered expectations.
uts

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I would go to it. Often. also a nice used and new bookstore would be greatly appreciated.
GEE

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Jun 7, 2012
 
Absolutly, a down sized bookstore would be great!

We need a good mix of stores that are appealing to the general public. Once those are established and actually supported by Vallejo's population, specialty boutiques can come on scene as infill.
Not the other way around!

I do not understand how anyone can not support a vital business district that caters to the every day consumer with goods needed for daily living, like a year round semi open market, etc. and then some fluff stuff. I want them to be able to stand on their own two feet with the actual property owners pulling their own weight.

I am not talking about large corporations with hundreds of employees, those need to settle into spaces surrounding the actual core. The valuable walk able space should be reserved for dining, shopping, entertainment and strolling.

There is money available in Vallejo. To believe that just about everyone is on assistance is simply not true. I am used to carefully budget/ spend my available funds, the only sad thing is I have to go and spend it mostly out of my home town.
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uts wrote:
I would go to it. Often. also a nice used and new bookstore would be greatly appreciated.
why not the library and you don't have to buy the book
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gimmie gimmie gimmie wrote:
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why not the library and you don't have to buy the book
Used books are great! You can buy, sell, trade, or just look and see whats new. The library is great too, and we have a nice one.
WTH

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Yeah wrote:
Not as long as people have a mentality like yours of lowered expectations.
No, actually I have no expectations when it comes to the people who run this city. I've lived here my whole life, and hear this BS every5-10 years. It's laughable. The free market works in both directions and when a decent business opens, it inevitably eventually leaves. Until we get rid of the trash that have taken over the town that is the way it will remain. A lot of us leave town to just go to a grocery store where we don't have to shop with ignorant, rude, loud welfare recipients. That is where the change needs to occur.
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Jun 7, 2012
 
Back to the booze. A good brew pub! Bring it.
GEE

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Jun 7, 2012
 
Highly unlikely that we will see a change in behavior from those that have been acting out for years in ways not tolerated in other communities. Like the saying goes: We own it!

Yes I agree I also leave town when I want a calmer shopping experience with a better selection of goods. Locally, I go to the grocery during off times, early morning or afternoons before school lets out and never ever around the first of the month!
I make the occasional trip during the week to Costco between 10 and 11 to escape the crowds....

When a business does have the gumption to settle in Vallejo the residents have to support it. If it is lousy, the free market will tell sooner than later if they deserve to survive. Consumers are not stupid and will not give their business to someone that does not meet their expectations as mediocrity should not be rewarded, anywhere.

I recall Home Base when I arrived in town. It was a great place with wide isles and a good selection of more upscale merchandise for the DIY crowd. But the support simple was not there to sustain them, they closed.

Despite the many grumblings about Home Depot they seem to do well even with Lowe's down the street. I am concerned about Lowe’s though, I support them because it seems to be a better organized and cleaner store, but I do not see the majority of shoppers flocking to them as they should.

The former linen store located in the present Office Max location was great, very unusual stuff, helpful staff, reasonable. As merchandise availability was reduced (first sign of an impending closure) I saw the writing on the wall, gone within a year of my arrival.

I have to admit that I never have taken a casual stroll along Georgia Street, except when I needed watch repair done at the old Lincoln Loan, ate at the Good Day Cafe, went to the Post Office or needed something from the Farmers Market. By the time I arrived there was already nothing down there that would have persuaded me to make a special trip.
Oh yes, my bank was located on the corner but was later transformed into a police substation with a postage stamped area to do business in.

Vallejo never had a vision nor found it important enough to engage the multitude of new arrivals (housing boom) by maintaining and bringing in new stores to replace those that were lured away to the Mall in Fairfield. Subsequently people got used to the idea that since they already work in other communities they might just as well shop there too.

Now we are dealing with different people. New younger arrivals, the older crowd many of them retired, homes paid off and children grown and gone. We do have income, we are not rich, but there is enough capital available to allow a splurge or two at least once a week. Why can I not spend it here?

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