Steve King: Global Warming 'More Of A Religion Than A Science'

Aug 7, 2013 Full story: Switched 82

Rep. Steve King dismissed the concern over global warming, labeling it a "religion" and claiming efforts to address climate change are useless.

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Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#67 Aug 11, 2013
Cordwainer Trout wrote:
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Here is Marcott exposed; some say of intentional lies... you know, fellow travelers.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/03/16/mcintyr...
And, to show how easily it's done...
https://sslimgs.xkcd.com/comics/extrapolating...
it saddens me that someon like you reads XKCD....i am sure it saddens the author also...
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#68 Aug 11, 2013
Container trout - read more:

Already in 2013, the Atlantic Basin has seen four named storms. Those numbers will continue to rise in September and October, and increase in frequency.

"This year, we've had two tropical systems that developed in the deep tropics, Dorian and Chantal, which is somewhat unusual early in the season," according to AccuWeather.com Expert Senior Meteorologist Dan Kottlowski.

"Typically through July, on average, we have about two tropical systems. It's not until about August 20 that we end up with four," he said.

This puts the seemingly slow 2013 season slightly ahead of schedule.
Jim

Pasadena, TX

#69 Aug 11, 2013
Steve Case wrote:
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So what do you really think!
What he wrote is the honest truth. The ones who spout all the false science in the name of anthropoglobalclimategenicwarm ingchange are like the granny busy bodies with their hair up in a bun saying, "now Ronny you know you shouldn't bw doing that! " Wanna be members of the NSA so they can be spying on everyone else. Cept they'd be digging in your garbage to see if you had separated your plastics from your glass and paper. Because they have a pathetic need to prove that they are oh so much smarter than thou art. The leaders of the nascent modern day inquisition. With Jimmy H in the role of torquemada and the Book of the Hockey Stick the Holy Bible. They burn with the fire of the righteous. No matter what the reality they always have the Book of Mann at their side...

Since: May 13

Location hidden

#70 Aug 11, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>what caused that more dramatic warming?
The sun. The last half of the 20th century experienced the highest level of solar activity in the 400 years of recorded activity.

http://lasp.colorado.edu/home/sorce/data/tsi-...

We are in cycle 24. Cycle 21 started in 1976.

http://www.solen.info/solar/images/comparison...

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#71 Aug 11, 2013
FF aka Fossil Fuels wrote:
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The sun. The last half of the 20th century experienced the highest level of solar activity in the 400 years of recorded activity.
http://lasp.colorado.edu/home/sorce/data/tsi-...
We are in cycle 24. Cycle 21 started in 1976.
http://www.solen.info/solar/images/comparison...
that was not the 'more dramatic warming' that fool was referring to, so what caused the dramatic warming previous to our times?

and, the sun was in a low cycle, one of the lowest in recent times, actually, when we were racking up some of the hottest years in recorded history.

even the climate change denial sites warn against using this argument, as it holds no weight...

try better sites to parrot from...

Since: May 13

Location hidden

#72 Aug 11, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>that was not the 'more dramatic warming' that fool was referring to, so what caused the dramatic warming previous to our times?
and, the sun was in a low cycle, one of the lowest in recent times, actually, when we were racking up some of the hottest years in recorded history.
even the climate change denial sites warn against using this argument, as it holds no weight...
try better sites to parrot from...
Well it's the sun.

Yes, the sun caused the more dramatic historical warming. When we emerged from the last period of glaciation we did so because in our 100,000 year eccentric cycle, we got as close to the sun as we get. Then about 9000 years ago our earth was in max tilt, obliquity. That warmed up the NH because it was sun facing at the max level that the earth gets. We have been in declining temps since that time. Doesn't mean every year is cooler than the last we've had many cold periods and warm periods in the last 9000 years.

Yes, we have had the warmest decade in the analysis that we are presented. However many studies have been done on the analysis and do support our increased temps but maybe not at the level reported. Nonetheless it has been warmer. And our sun has been in very low activity.

Our sun heats our oceans and the oceans make our climate. There is a lag time between these two variables about 10 years. So the climate you see today is more reflective of the solar activity of 10 years ago.

Add in the increased heat retention from 100 years of a warming sun and you will see residual effects of that increased heat.

Solar activity has multiple impacts to climate. When we have high solar activity the positive phases of the ocean oscillations are enhanced. Since high solar activity went up during the positive phase of the Pacific Decadal Oscillation the impact on ENSO was that the El Ninos were more frequent and more impactful, La Ninas were mitigated.

Both solar activity and the PDO have changed. Solar activity is low and the PDO is in it's negative phase. During this combination La Ninas are more frequent and more impactful and El Ninos are mitigated.

The arctic also has an oscillation and it's positive phase it impacts the mass balance of the glaciers in Europe. As the ENSO impacts North American glaciers.

The sun is more than spots and it's impact is more than what you feel today when you stand in it.

Since: Aug 13

Kailua, HI

#73 Aug 11, 2013
Cordwainer Trout wrote:
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Here is the clip from the link I provided:
"Meanwhile, in a private email to McIntyre, Marcott made a surprising statement. In the paper, they had reported doing an alternate analysis of their proxy data that yielded a much smaller 20th-century uptick, but they said the difference was "probably not robust," which implied that the uptick was insensitive to changes in methodology, and was therefore reliable. But in his email to McIntyre, Marcott said the reconstruction itself is not robust in the 20th century: a very different thing. When this became public, the Marcott team promised to clear matters up with an online FAQ.
It finally appeared over the weekend [http://www.realclimate.org/in dex.php/archives/2013/03/respo nse-by-marcott-et-al/], and contains a remarkable admission: "[The] 20th-century portion of our paleotemperature stack is not statistically robust, cannot be considered representative of global temperature changes, and therefore is not the basis of any of our conclusions.""
It's called changing what you initially said, upon which you based your initial headline grabbing fear mongering assertions.
You also seem to be dishonest, as reading the link I gave you would have allowed you to see this. Or, can't you read? I'm not going to play your troll game.
You are taking Marcotts's statement completely out of context. It is the 11,000 years worth of data that is important. There is no question about the 20th century warming.
Did you bother to look at Marcott's response, or are you simply ignoring data that does not agree with your point of view?
LessHypeMoreFact

Toronto, Canada

#74 Aug 11, 2013
FF aka Fossil Fuels wrote:
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The sun. The last half of the 20th century experienced the highest level of solar activity in the 400 years of recorded activity.
Yes. The 200 year cycle of solar intensity did make a SMALL contribution but it was swamped by the much larger contribution of GHSs.

You innumerate idiots take every molehill and create mountains of it, ignoring the VAST majority of the data.

Since: May 13

Location hidden

#75 Aug 11, 2013
LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
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Yes. The 200 year cycle of solar intensity did make a SMALL contribution but it was swamped by the much larger contribution of GHSs.
You innumerate idiots take every molehill and create mountains of it, ignoring the VAST majority of the data.
Maybe it's not me, who is creating a mountain out of a molehill. Maybe it's not me, who is ignoring the VAST majority of the data. Just maybe it is you who is incorrect in relying on CO2 as the source of climate warming.

Sure was cold here this morning. 63* when the average low is 66* and that was after the sun was up at 8 am. Just maybe the predictions of the cooling period to come are being realized right on time.

We'll see.
LessHypeMoreFact

Toronto, Canada

#77 Aug 11, 2013
FF aka Fossil Fuels wrote:
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Maybe it's not me, who is creating a mountain out of a molehill.
No doubt about it. The numbers tell the story to anyone who will LISTEN (something you reject)
FF aka Fossil Fuels wrote:
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Maybe it's not me, who is creating a mountain out of a molehill.
It is true that you may just be a dittohead spouting the innumerate nonsense from someone else. Denialists get that way from not being able to do the own thinking mostly.
FF aka Fossil Fuels wrote:
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Maybe it's not me, who is ignoring the VAST majority of the data.
We'll see.
Taking a 'wait and see' attitude is pretty indicative that you have not looked at the data (otherwise, there would be no doubt within you and you would not be in denial). The assurance of those who learn the science comes from the fact that they have LOOKED and SEEN what the data tells them.
FF aka Fossil Fuels wrote:
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Just maybe it is you who is incorrect in relying on CO2 as the source of climate warming.
You are welcome to publish a paper with FACTS on your 'theory' but otherwise you are just blowing smoke and passing gas. This isn't about random probability but REALITY.
FF aka Fossil Fuels wrote:
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Just maybe it is you who is incorrect in relying on CO2 as the source of climate warming.
Not just the INCREASE in CO2 but of all the other GHGs, along with aerosol cooling (small and negative) and solar warming (small and positive). The effects of these other factors can be seen in the analysis at times when they were the dominant factor (before GHG accumulations grew large for solar and during the 'killer smogs' of the post war era for aerosols.)
FF aka Fossil Fuels wrote:
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Sure was cold here this morning. 63* when the average low is 66* and that was after the sun was up at 8 am.
Climate is not weather. Weather is semi-chaotic and will be warmer, colder, wetter and drier day to day. But climate states the probabilities of a particular weather event OR extreme NOT the day to day forecast. You betray your ignorance when you make this confusion.
FF aka Fossil Fuels wrote:
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Just maybe the predictions of the cooling period to come are being realized right on time.
If the days are cooler than average for thirty years, you will be vindicates (even a broken clock may be right once a day). But the FACTS are that heat extremes are much more prevalent than normal and the warmest years on record are all in the last decade. I very much doubt this turd you have pulled from you anal orifice.

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#78 Aug 11, 2013
FF aka Fossil Fuels wrote:
We'll see.
No, you won't.

You're an old man and will keep on claiming it's the sun until you die, rather than admit your life philosophy was wrong.

There's no place like home!
There's no place like home!
There's no place like home!

Don't like the world you find yourself in, Dorothy?

Then piss off and leave it to the people who will deal with the reality of it.

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#79 Aug 11, 2013
The Integral wrote:
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Her is Marcott's response to his critics. I do not see anything in his response that indicates that his stunning claim was groundless.
You missed out the link.

Did you know McKitrick (fishface's link) is a "God's in his heaven, so global warming must be false" denier?

http://www.topix.com/forum/news/global-warmin...
Cordwainer Trout

Lebanon, KY

#80 Aug 12, 2013
Fair Game wrote:
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You missed out the link.
Did you know McKitrick (fishface's link) is a "God's in his heaven, so global warming must be false" denier?
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/global-warmin...
The thing for you arrogant twits to do is stop thinking about some people's spiritual orientation and start listening to actual data and your actual experience, instead of computer games that have repeatedly been shown incorrect, or actually falsified.
Cordwainer Trout

Lebanon, KY

#81 Aug 12, 2013
Fair Game wrote:
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No, you won't.
You're an old man and will keep on claiming it's the sun until you die, rather than admit your life philosophy was wrong.
There's no place like home!
There's no place like home!
There's no place like home!
Don't like the world you find yourself in, Dorothy?
Then piss off and leave it to the people who will deal with the reality of it.
We know how shitforbrains people will "deal" with it... you'll keep 1/3 of the world's population without electricity and effectively slaves. Communists have murdered 100 Million people to try implementing their tyranny and delusion; the world can look forward to you loons murdering 2 Billion, even as the deserts bloom from the increased CO2.

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#82 Aug 12, 2013
Cordwainer Trout wrote:
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The thing for you arrogant twits to do is stop thinking about some people's spiritual orientation and start listening to actual data and your actual experience, instead of computer games that have repeatedly been shown incorrect, or actually falsified.
The world's scientific academies say global warming is real, we are responsible, and we need to do something about it.

Based on the evidence.

A few religious nuts disagree.

Based on misrepresentations of the evidence.

Who should we trust?
Truth

Des Moines, IA

#83 Aug 12, 2013
Fair Game wrote:
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The world's scientific academies say global warming is real, we are responsible, and we need to do something about it.
Based on the evidence.
A few religious nuts disagree.
Based on misrepresentations of the evidence.
Who should we trust?
They say it's real. They disagree how much of it is man made.

Since: May 13

Location hidden

#84 Aug 12, 2013
LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
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If the days are cooler than average for thirty years, you will be vindicates (even a broken clock may be right once a day). But the FACTS are that heat extremes are much more prevalent than normal and the warmest years on record are all in the last decade. I very much doubt this turd you have pulled from you anal orifice.
Yep, that's in the works. The 30 years of cooling temps. The anticipated low point is 2030. Cycle 24 is so low that we may have a declining cycle for more than 10 years. That's a lot of low solar activity in our future.

If that happens there's even some on the far side predicting we won't have (see) cycle 25, most expect a low activity cycle. Cycle 26 will begin the turnaround but will be no where near the activity of the cycles of the last half of the 20th century.

We'll see.

Since: May 13

Location hidden

#85 Aug 12, 2013
Cordwainer Trout wrote:
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The thing for you arrogant twits to do is stop thinking about some people's spiritual orientation and start listening to actual data and your actual experience, instead of computer games that have repeatedly been shown incorrect, or actually falsified.
It's all they've got. They can't debate the facts so they must shoot the messenger.
litesong

Monroe, WA

#86 Aug 12, 2013
colddeadfish wrote:
Communists have murdered 100 Million people to try implementing their tyranny and delusion.....
& it was & is conservative re-pubic-lick-uns, who reward chinese communists(ALWAYS SMALL LETTERS), with one-sided trade that poors money into the coffers & pockets of those same chinese communists(ALWAYS SMALL LETTERS), who murdered, tortured & starved to death, their own BROTHERS, SISTERS, CHILDREN, & BABIES.

Yes, the same re-pubic-lick-uns who love chinese communists(ALWAYS SMALL LETTERS), are toxic topix AGW deniers, like "colddeadfish".
litesong

Monroe, WA

#87 Aug 12, 2013
colddeadfish wrote:
Here is how Obama and his Communists are practicing their racism
Nothing but re-pubic-lick-un "colddeadfish" walking with its chinese communist(ALWAYS SMALL LETTERS) friends & proudly displaying its own racist being. It figures if he calls Obama racist, then its own racism will be overlooked. Nothing but what toxic topix AGW denier re-pubic-lick-uns have been doing for years. However, the racists in the re-pubic-lick-un party were so stupid, even with millions of racist americans, that they couldn't keep Obama from getting elected........ twice. "colddeadfish" & other toxic topix AGW denier re-pubic-lick-uns tho, think they are on the right track, so they repeat themselves.

So I'll repeat myself.
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& it was & is conservative re-pubic-lick-uns, who reward chinese communists(ALWAYS SMALL LETTERS), with one-sided trade that pours money into the coffers & pockets of those same chinese communists(ALWAYS SMALL LETTERS), who murdered, tortured & starved to death, their own BROTHERS, SISTERS, CHILDREN, & BABIES.

Yes, the same re-pubic-lick-uns who love chinese communists(ALWAYS SMALL LETTERS), are toxic topix AGW deniers, like "colddeadfish".

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