Steve King: Global Warming 'More Of A...

Steve King: Global Warming 'More Of A Religion Than A Science'

There are 76 comments on the Switched story from Aug 7, 2013, titled Steve King: Global Warming 'More Of A Religion Than A Science'. In it, Switched reports that:

Rep. Steve King dismissed the concern over global warming, labeling it a "religion" and claiming efforts to address climate change are useless.

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Cordwainer Trout

Lexington, KY

#50 Aug 9, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>nice cop-out...
i thought humans couldn't affect the environment, as in AGW?
you are not a very effective debater, you prove your own points wrong in two simple posts...
No cop out. You're trying to change the subject, your common method of validating your importance here.

AGW theory is based on human activity in general and without intent. My reference to possible human involvement meant at a much more impacting level, like hydrogen bombs blowing holes in the atmosphere to let the heat out... something you'd obviously appreciate, you stupid blowhard.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#52 Aug 9, 2013
Cordwainer Trout wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm not interested in that long discussion of conjecture. It doesn't really matter. What matters is that arrogant humans with their incredibly refined and powerful methods of impacting their environment, don't start intentionally messing with Mother Nature to affect something well beyond their understanding. They always, Always, ALWAYS screw up...
Al Gore needs shock therapy, not recognition. AGW is religion without God.
so when was this more dramatic warming you spoke of earlier...?
Cordwainer Trout

Lexington, KY

#53 Aug 9, 2013
The Integral wrote:
<quoted text>
No one is denying that global warming has occurred before. It is the rate of global warming that is the cause of so much concern.
Here's what happened. After the end of the ice age, the planet got warmer. Then, 5,000 years ago, it started to get cooler — but really slowly. In all, it cooled 1.3 degrees Fahrenheit, up until the last century or so. Then it flipped again — global average temperature shot up.
"Temperatures now have gone from that cold period to the warm period in just 100 years," Marcott says.
So it's taken just 100 years for the average temperature to change by 1.3 degrees, when it took 5,000 years to do that before.
http://www.kpbs.org/news/2013/mar/08/current-...
Why did you leave out the much more recent "Little Ice Age", some of which is still with us and hasn't been totally reversed? You fear mongers simply don't comprehend how fast a new Little Ice Age could set upon you. The rate of global warming seems to have completely stopped for seventeen years, which obliterates everything you people assert concerning CO2.

A low Arctic sea ice extent is not new over the last 100 years. It is normal over the last 11,000 years.
Cordwainer Trout

Lexington, KY

#55 Aug 9, 2013
The Integral wrote:
<quoted text>
No one is denying that global warming has occurred before. It is the rate of global warming that is the cause of so much concern.
Here's what happened. After the end of the ice age, the planet got warmer. Then, 5,000 years ago, it started to get cooler — but really slowly. In all, it cooled 1.3 degrees Fahrenheit, up until the last century or so. Then it flipped again — global average temperature shot up.
"Temperatures now have gone from that cold period to the warm period in just 100 years," Marcott says.
So it's taken just 100 years for the average temperature to change by 1.3 degrees, when it took 5,000 years to do that before.
http://www.kpbs.org/news/2013/mar/08/current-...
Why did Marcott change the dates?
http://climateaudit.org/2013/03/16/the-marcot...

The long string of comments is very interesting, too.
Cordwainer Trout

Lexington, KY

#56 Aug 9, 2013
The Integral wrote:
<quoted text>
No one is denying that global warming has occurred before. It is the rate of global warming that is the cause of so much concern.
Here's what happened. After the end of the ice age, the planet got warmer. Then, 5,000 years ago, it started to get cooler — but really slowly. In all, it cooled 1.3 degrees Fahrenheit, up until the last century or so. Then it flipped again — global average temperature shot up.
"Temperatures now have gone from that cold period to the warm period in just 100 years," Marcott says.
So it's taken just 100 years for the average temperature to change by 1.3 degrees, when it took 5,000 years to do that before.
http://www.kpbs.org/news/2013/mar/08/current-...
Suddenly, the name struck me to remembrance. Apparently, you haven't update on the subsequent admittance by Marcott himself, that his stunning claim was groundless.
http://opinion.financialpost.com/2013/04/01/w...

“Romans 13: 8-10”

Since: Feb 08

Oklahoma City, OK

#58 Aug 10, 2013
This is idiocy, of course. Global Warming is proven fact. But, any time Steve King is talking about this, he's not spouting vicious bigotry towards Muslims, so I guess this should be seen as a positive development.

Since: Aug 13

Hilo, HI

#59 Aug 10, 2013
Cordwainer Trout wrote:
<quoted text>
Suddenly, the name struck me to remembrance. Apparently, you haven't update on the subsequent admittance by Marcott himself, that his stunning claim was groundless.
http://opinion.financialpost.com/2013/04/01/w...
Her is Marcott's response to his critics. I do not see anything in his response that indicates that his stunning claim was groundless.

Since: Aug 13

Hilo, HI

#60 Aug 10, 2013
Cordwainer Trout wrote:
I keep looking for actual data and I am not seeing any. I see statements and graphs, but there is nothing to back them up. I do not see any peer reviewed articles. I do see cherry picking. I do see blatant misrepresentations.

Here are some articles based upon peer reviewed publications.

Revisiting the Earth’s sea&#8208;level and energy budgets from 1961 to 2008
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/20...

Global temperature evolution 1979–2010
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/20...

A Big Picture Look at Global Warming
http://www.skepticalscience.com/big-picture-g...

There is no question that AWG is continuing unabated. The Church research is seminal since it illustrates that the vast majority of global warming is being transferred into the ocean. The Foster research indicates that global warming is tracking CO2 levels.

It is impossible to say that Steve Goddard and Climate Depot have the same level of validity as Church and Foster.

I am looking forward to your response.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#61 Aug 10, 2013
The Integral wrote:
<quoted text>
I keep looking for actual data and I am not seeing any. I see statements and graphs, but there is nothing to back them up. I do not see any peer reviewed articles. I do see cherry picking. I do see blatant misrepresentations.
Here are some articles based upon peer reviewed publications.
Revisiting the Earth’s sea&#8208;level and energy budgets from 1961 to 2008
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/20...
Global temperature evolution 1979–2010
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/20...
A Big Picture Look at Global Warming
http://www.skepticalscience.com/big-picture-g...
There is no question that AWG is continuing unabated. The Church research is seminal since it illustrates that the vast majority of global warming is being transferred into the ocean. The Foster research indicates that global warming is tracking CO2 levels.
It is impossible to say that Steve Goddard and Climate Depot have the same level of validity as Church and Foster.
I am looking forward to your response.
Trout does not seem able to deal with any facts...
Cordwainer Trout

Lexington, KY

#62 Aug 11, 2013
The Integral wrote:
<quoted text>
Her is Marcott's response to his critics. I do not see anything in his response that indicates that his stunning claim was groundless.
Here is the clip from the link I provided:

"Meanwhile, in a private email to McIntyre, Marcott made a surprising statement. In the paper, they had reported doing an alternate analysis of their proxy data that yielded a much smaller 20th-century uptick, but they said the difference was "probably not robust," which implied that the uptick was insensitive to changes in methodology, and was therefore reliable. But in his email to McIntyre, Marcott said the reconstruction itself is not robust in the 20th century: a very different thing. When this became public, the Marcott team promised to clear matters up with an online FAQ.

It finally appeared over the weekend [http://www.realclimate.org/in dex.php/archives/2013/03/respo nse-by-marcott-et-al/], and contains a remarkable admission: "[The] 20th-century portion of our paleotemperature stack is not statistically robust, cannot be considered representative of global temperature changes, and therefore is not the basis of any of our conclusions.""

It's called changing what you initially said, upon which you based your initial headline grabbing fear mongering assertions.

You also seem to be dishonest, as reading the link I gave you would have allowed you to see this. Or, can't you read? I'm not going to play your troll game.
Cordwainer Trout

Lexington, KY

#63 Aug 11, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>Trout does not seem able to deal with any facts...
Here is Marcott exposed; some say of intentional lies... you know, fellow travelers.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/03/16/mcintyr...

And, to show how easily it's done...

https://sslimgs.xkcd.com/comics/extrapolating...
Cordwainer Trout

Lexington, KY

#64 Aug 11, 2013
The CO2 scam is a thing of the past:

https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2013/08/1...

Yes, and the Actic was supposed to be ice free by now and all the polar bears gone:

https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2013/08/1...
SpaceBlues

United States

#65 Aug 11, 2013
Container trout lives on gossip.

Since: Apr 10

Milwaukee, WI USA

#66 Aug 11, 2013
Cordwainer Trout wrote:
Contrarily, I call all that the suicidal stupidity of Leftist arrogance and inclination to tyranny on societal and personal levels. You're all a bunch of liars, cheats and thieves.
So what do you really think!

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#67 Aug 11, 2013
Cordwainer Trout wrote:
<quoted text>
Here is Marcott exposed; some say of intentional lies... you know, fellow travelers.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/03/16/mcintyr...
And, to show how easily it's done...
https://sslimgs.xkcd.com/comics/extrapolating...
it saddens me that someon like you reads XKCD....i am sure it saddens the author also...
SpaceBlues

United States

#68 Aug 11, 2013
Container trout - read more:

Already in 2013, the Atlantic Basin has seen four named storms. Those numbers will continue to rise in September and October, and increase in frequency.

"This year, we've had two tropical systems that developed in the deep tropics, Dorian and Chantal, which is somewhat unusual early in the season," according to AccuWeather.com Expert Senior Meteorologist Dan Kottlowski.

"Typically through July, on average, we have about two tropical systems. It's not until about August 20 that we end up with four," he said.

This puts the seemingly slow 2013 season slightly ahead of schedule.
Jim

Katy, TX

#69 Aug 11, 2013
Steve Case wrote:
<quoted text>
So what do you really think!
What he wrote is the honest truth. The ones who spout all the false science in the name of anthropoglobalclimategenicwarm ingchange are like the granny busy bodies with their hair up in a bun saying, "now Ronny you know you shouldn't bw doing that! " Wanna be members of the NSA so they can be spying on everyone else. Cept they'd be digging in your garbage to see if you had separated your plastics from your glass and paper. Because they have a pathetic need to prove that they are oh so much smarter than thou art. The leaders of the nascent modern day inquisition. With Jimmy H in the role of torquemada and the Book of the Hockey Stick the Holy Bible. They burn with the fire of the righteous. No matter what the reality they always have the Book of Mann at their side...

Since: May 13

Location hidden

#70 Aug 11, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>what caused that more dramatic warming?
The sun. The last half of the 20th century experienced the highest level of solar activity in the 400 years of recorded activity.

http://lasp.colorado.edu/home/sorce/data/tsi-...

We are in cycle 24. Cycle 21 started in 1976.

http://www.solen.info/solar/images/comparison...

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#71 Aug 11, 2013
FF aka Fossil Fuels wrote:
<quoted text>
The sun. The last half of the 20th century experienced the highest level of solar activity in the 400 years of recorded activity.
http://lasp.colorado.edu/home/sorce/data/tsi-...
We are in cycle 24. Cycle 21 started in 1976.
http://www.solen.info/solar/images/comparison...
that was not the 'more dramatic warming' that fool was referring to, so what caused the dramatic warming previous to our times?

and, the sun was in a low cycle, one of the lowest in recent times, actually, when we were racking up some of the hottest years in recorded history.

even the climate change denial sites warn against using this argument, as it holds no weight...

try better sites to parrot from...

Since: May 13

Location hidden

#72 Aug 11, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>that was not the 'more dramatic warming' that fool was referring to, so what caused the dramatic warming previous to our times?
and, the sun was in a low cycle, one of the lowest in recent times, actually, when we were racking up some of the hottest years in recorded history.
even the climate change denial sites warn against using this argument, as it holds no weight...
try better sites to parrot from...
Well it's the sun.

Yes, the sun caused the more dramatic historical warming. When we emerged from the last period of glaciation we did so because in our 100,000 year eccentric cycle, we got as close to the sun as we get. Then about 9000 years ago our earth was in max tilt, obliquity. That warmed up the NH because it was sun facing at the max level that the earth gets. We have been in declining temps since that time. Doesn't mean every year is cooler than the last we've had many cold periods and warm periods in the last 9000 years.

Yes, we have had the warmest decade in the analysis that we are presented. However many studies have been done on the analysis and do support our increased temps but maybe not at the level reported. Nonetheless it has been warmer. And our sun has been in very low activity.

Our sun heats our oceans and the oceans make our climate. There is a lag time between these two variables about 10 years. So the climate you see today is more reflective of the solar activity of 10 years ago.

Add in the increased heat retention from 100 years of a warming sun and you will see residual effects of that increased heat.

Solar activity has multiple impacts to climate. When we have high solar activity the positive phases of the ocean oscillations are enhanced. Since high solar activity went up during the positive phase of the Pacific Decadal Oscillation the impact on ENSO was that the El Ninos were more frequent and more impactful, La Ninas were mitigated.

Both solar activity and the PDO have changed. Solar activity is low and the PDO is in it's negative phase. During this combination La Ninas are more frequent and more impactful and El Ninos are mitigated.

The arctic also has an oscillation and it's positive phase it impacts the mass balance of the glaciers in Europe. As the ENSO impacts North American glaciers.

The sun is more than spots and it's impact is more than what you feel today when you stand in it.

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