Steve King: Global Warming 'More Of A Religion Than A Science'

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Rep. Steve King dismissed the concern over global warming, labeling it a "religion" and claiming efforts to address climate change are useless.

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Since: Aug 13

Kailua, HI

#44 Aug 9, 2013
Cordwainer Trout wrote:
The September minimum ice extent trend for 1979–2011 declined by 12.0% per decade.[1]
1. National Snow and Ice Data Center
You are trying to use a small data sample (2008 to 2013) and say that it accurately portrays the status of the Arctic ice.
Steve Goddard's motto is ""Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" so I do take his hyperbole seriously.
You have yet to address my question: I Global Warming does not exist, why is the Arctic icecap declining at the rate of 12% per decade?
Cordwainer Trout

Lebanon, KY

#45 Aug 9, 2013
The Integral wrote:
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The September minimum ice extent trend for 1979–2011 declined by 12.0% per decade.[1]
1. National Snow and Ice Data Center
You are trying to use a small data sample (2008 to 2013) and say that it accurately portrays the status of the Arctic ice.
Steve Goddard's motto is ""Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" so I do take his hyperbole seriously.
You have yet to address my question: I Global Warming does not exist, why is the Arctic icecap declining at the rate of 12% per decade?
How many times must you be told that global warming happens before you hear what is being said? This is what I like about you fear mongers, who claim to see things long term, but limit yourselves to a half century... you're such optimists.[sarc] An increase in ice to you is an attack on your very being. An increase in polar bear population is an attack on your desire to keep 1/3 of the world's populations suffering with no electricity by having constant crybaby fits about the sky falling.

You cannot claim AGW, when other provable, more dramatic warming has occurred, when there was no industry.

Since: Mar 11

Minnesota's North Coast

#46 Aug 9, 2013
Cordwainer Trout wrote:
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How many times must you be told that global warming happens before you hear what is being said? This is what I like about you fear mongers, who claim to see things long term, but limit yourselves to a half century... you're such optimists.[sarc] An increase in ice to you is an attack on your very being. An increase in polar bear population is an attack on your desire to keep 1/3 of the world's populations suffering with no electricity by having constant crybaby fits about the sky falling.
You cannot claim AGW, when other provable, more dramatic warming has occurred, when there was no industry.
what caused that more dramatic warming?
Cordwainer Trout

Lebanon, KY

#47 Aug 9, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>what caused that more dramatic warming?
I'm not interested in that long discussion of conjecture. It doesn't really matter. What matters is that arrogant humans with their incredibly refined and powerful methods of impacting their environment, don't start intentionally messing with Mother Nature to affect something well beyond their understanding. They always, Always, ALWAYS screw up...

Al Gore needs shock therapy, not recognition. AGW is religion without God.

Since: Aug 13

Kailua, HI

#48 Aug 9, 2013
Cordwainer Trout wrote:
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How many times must you be told that global warming happens before you hear what is being said? This is what I like about you fear mongers, who claim to see things long term, but limit yourselves to a half century... you're such optimists.[sarc] An increase in ice to you is an attack on your very being. An increase in polar bear population is an attack on your desire to keep 1/3 of the world's populations suffering with no electricity by having constant crybaby fits about the sky falling.
You cannot claim AGW, when other provable, more dramatic warming has occurred, when there was no industry.
No one is denying that global warming has occurred before. It is the rate of global warming that is the cause of so much concern.

Here's what happened. After the end of the ice age, the planet got warmer. Then, 5,000 years ago, it started to get cooler — but really slowly. In all, it cooled 1.3 degrees Fahrenheit, up until the last century or so. Then it flipped again — global average temperature shot up.

"Temperatures now have gone from that cold period to the warm period in just 100 years," Marcott says.

So it's taken just 100 years for the average temperature to change by 1.3 degrees, when it took 5,000 years to do that before.

http://www.kpbs.org/news/2013/mar/08/current-...

Since: Mar 11

Minnesota's North Coast

#49 Aug 9, 2013
Cordwainer Trout wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm not interested in that long discussion of conjecture. It doesn't really matter. What matters is that arrogant humans with their incredibly refined and powerful methods of impacting their environment, don't start intentionally messing with Mother Nature to affect something well beyond their understanding. They always, Always, ALWAYS screw up...
Al Gore needs shock therapy, not recognition. AGW is religion without God.
nice cop-out...

i thought humans couldn't affect the environment, as in AGW?

you are not a very effective debater, you prove your own points wrong in two simple posts...
Cordwainer Trout

Lebanon, KY

#50 Aug 9, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>nice cop-out...
i thought humans couldn't affect the environment, as in AGW?
you are not a very effective debater, you prove your own points wrong in two simple posts...
No cop out. You're trying to change the subject, your common method of validating your importance here.

AGW theory is based on human activity in general and without intent. My reference to possible human involvement meant at a much more impacting level, like hydrogen bombs blowing holes in the atmosphere to let the heat out... something you'd obviously appreciate, you stupid blowhard.

Since: Mar 11

Minnesota's North Coast

#52 Aug 9, 2013
Cordwainer Trout wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm not interested in that long discussion of conjecture. It doesn't really matter. What matters is that arrogant humans with their incredibly refined and powerful methods of impacting their environment, don't start intentionally messing with Mother Nature to affect something well beyond their understanding. They always, Always, ALWAYS screw up...
Al Gore needs shock therapy, not recognition. AGW is religion without God.
so when was this more dramatic warming you spoke of earlier...?
Cordwainer Trout

Lebanon, KY

#53 Aug 9, 2013
The Integral wrote:
<quoted text>
No one is denying that global warming has occurred before. It is the rate of global warming that is the cause of so much concern.
Here's what happened. After the end of the ice age, the planet got warmer. Then, 5,000 years ago, it started to get cooler — but really slowly. In all, it cooled 1.3 degrees Fahrenheit, up until the last century or so. Then it flipped again — global average temperature shot up.
"Temperatures now have gone from that cold period to the warm period in just 100 years," Marcott says.
So it's taken just 100 years for the average temperature to change by 1.3 degrees, when it took 5,000 years to do that before.
http://www.kpbs.org/news/2013/mar/08/current-...
Why did you leave out the much more recent "Little Ice Age", some of which is still with us and hasn't been totally reversed? You fear mongers simply don't comprehend how fast a new Little Ice Age could set upon you. The rate of global warming seems to have completely stopped for seventeen years, which obliterates everything you people assert concerning CO2.

A low Arctic sea ice extent is not new over the last 100 years. It is normal over the last 11,000 years.
Cordwainer Trout

Lebanon, KY

#55 Aug 9, 2013
The Integral wrote:
<quoted text>
No one is denying that global warming has occurred before. It is the rate of global warming that is the cause of so much concern.
Here's what happened. After the end of the ice age, the planet got warmer. Then, 5,000 years ago, it started to get cooler — but really slowly. In all, it cooled 1.3 degrees Fahrenheit, up until the last century or so. Then it flipped again — global average temperature shot up.
"Temperatures now have gone from that cold period to the warm period in just 100 years," Marcott says.
So it's taken just 100 years for the average temperature to change by 1.3 degrees, when it took 5,000 years to do that before.
http://www.kpbs.org/news/2013/mar/08/current-...
Why did Marcott change the dates?
http://climateaudit.org/2013/03/16/the-marcot...

The long string of comments is very interesting, too.
Cordwainer Trout

Lebanon, KY

#56 Aug 9, 2013
The Integral wrote:
<quoted text>
No one is denying that global warming has occurred before. It is the rate of global warming that is the cause of so much concern.
Here's what happened. After the end of the ice age, the planet got warmer. Then, 5,000 years ago, it started to get cooler — but really slowly. In all, it cooled 1.3 degrees Fahrenheit, up until the last century or so. Then it flipped again — global average temperature shot up.
"Temperatures now have gone from that cold period to the warm period in just 100 years," Marcott says.
So it's taken just 100 years for the average temperature to change by 1.3 degrees, when it took 5,000 years to do that before.
http://www.kpbs.org/news/2013/mar/08/current-...
Suddenly, the name struck me to remembrance. Apparently, you haven't update on the subsequent admittance by Marcott himself, that his stunning claim was groundless.
http://opinion.financialpost.com/2013/04/01/w...

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Since: Feb 08

Oklahoma City, OK

#58 Aug 10, 2013
This is idiocy, of course. Global Warming is proven fact. But, any time Steve King is talking about this, he's not spouting vicious bigotry towards Muslims, so I guess this should be seen as a positive development.

Since: Aug 13

Kailua, HI

#59 Aug 10, 2013
Cordwainer Trout wrote:
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Suddenly, the name struck me to remembrance. Apparently, you haven't update on the subsequent admittance by Marcott himself, that his stunning claim was groundless.
http://opinion.financialpost.com/2013/04/01/w...
Her is Marcott's response to his critics. I do not see anything in his response that indicates that his stunning claim was groundless.

Since: Aug 13

Kailua, HI

#60 Aug 10, 2013
Cordwainer Trout wrote:
I keep looking for actual data and I am not seeing any. I see statements and graphs, but there is nothing to back them up. I do not see any peer reviewed articles. I do see cherry picking. I do see blatant misrepresentations.

Here are some articles based upon peer reviewed publications.

Revisiting the Earth’s sea&#8208;level and energy budgets from 1961 to 2008
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/20...

Global temperature evolution 1979–2010
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/20...

A Big Picture Look at Global Warming
http://www.skepticalscience.com/big-picture-g...

There is no question that AWG is continuing unabated. The Church research is seminal since it illustrates that the vast majority of global warming is being transferred into the ocean. The Foster research indicates that global warming is tracking CO2 levels.

It is impossible to say that Steve Goddard and Climate Depot have the same level of validity as Church and Foster.

I am looking forward to your response.

Since: Mar 11

Minnesota's North Coast

#61 Aug 10, 2013
The Integral wrote:
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I keep looking for actual data and I am not seeing any. I see statements and graphs, but there is nothing to back them up. I do not see any peer reviewed articles. I do see cherry picking. I do see blatant misrepresentations.
Here are some articles based upon peer reviewed publications.
Revisiting the Earth’s sea&#8208;level and energy budgets from 1961 to 2008
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/20...
Global temperature evolution 1979–2010
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/20...
A Big Picture Look at Global Warming
http://www.skepticalscience.com/big-picture-g...
There is no question that AWG is continuing unabated. The Church research is seminal since it illustrates that the vast majority of global warming is being transferred into the ocean. The Foster research indicates that global warming is tracking CO2 levels.
It is impossible to say that Steve Goddard and Climate Depot have the same level of validity as Church and Foster.
I am looking forward to your response.
Trout does not seem able to deal with any facts...
Cordwainer Trout

Lebanon, KY

#62 Aug 11, 2013
The Integral wrote:
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Her is Marcott's response to his critics. I do not see anything in his response that indicates that his stunning claim was groundless.
Here is the clip from the link I provided:

"Meanwhile, in a private email to McIntyre, Marcott made a surprising statement. In the paper, they had reported doing an alternate analysis of their proxy data that yielded a much smaller 20th-century uptick, but they said the difference was "probably not robust," which implied that the uptick was insensitive to changes in methodology, and was therefore reliable. But in his email to McIntyre, Marcott said the reconstruction itself is not robust in the 20th century: a very different thing. When this became public, the Marcott team promised to clear matters up with an online FAQ.

It finally appeared over the weekend [http://www.realclimate.org/in dex.php/archives/2013/03/respo nse-by-marcott-et-al/], and contains a remarkable admission: "[The] 20th-century portion of our paleotemperature stack is not statistically robust, cannot be considered representative of global temperature changes, and therefore is not the basis of any of our conclusions.""

It's called changing what you initially said, upon which you based your initial headline grabbing fear mongering assertions.

You also seem to be dishonest, as reading the link I gave you would have allowed you to see this. Or, can't you read? I'm not going to play your troll game.
Cordwainer Trout

Lebanon, KY

#63 Aug 11, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>Trout does not seem able to deal with any facts...
Here is Marcott exposed; some say of intentional lies... you know, fellow travelers.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/03/16/mcintyr...

And, to show how easily it's done...

https://sslimgs.xkcd.com/comics/extrapolating...
Cordwainer Trout

Lebanon, KY

#64 Aug 11, 2013
The CO2 scam is a thing of the past:

https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2013/08/1...

Yes, and the Actic was supposed to be ice free by now and all the polar bears gone:

https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2013/08/1...
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#65 Aug 11, 2013
Container trout lives on gossip.

Since: Apr 10

Milwaukee, WI USA

#66 Aug 11, 2013
Cordwainer Trout wrote:
Contrarily, I call all that the suicidal stupidity of Leftist arrogance and inclination to tyranny on societal and personal levels. You're all a bunch of liars, cheats and thieves.
So what do you really think!

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