Witchcraft history: Old ways resurge as Wicca

Apr 21, 2010 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Examiner.com

Witchcraft history goes back to the days of cave painting. Male Shamans donned animal skins and through dance and trance called the animals to the hunt.

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This is nothing new. Christians know that after God created the earth, mankind began to stray from Him and started animal-worship religions like Wicca and Pagans. That's EXACTLY why He sent Jesus Christ down to earth to save mankind from sin. Wiccans and Pagans should repent before it is too late!

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Father forgive me, for I know not what I do.

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Father forgive me, for I know not what I do.
Wicca is only 60 years old.

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Real Morgan Jones wrote:
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Wicca is only 60 years old.
I know I was there.
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The Title of the piece is: "...the Old Ways Resurge as Wicca", NOT that Wicca is the Old Ways. And whether one believes Gardner was initiated into a Coven in the New Forest area prior to establishing his "Craft of the Wica" or not doesn't really diminish the fact that even through a romanticism/nostalgia of the past Wicca was inspired by this, as were other paths such as Neo-Druidism which has various forms from the 17th Century onward.

Wicca being "60 years old" is not really a huge revelation to many students. There was also a time in the World's history that Christianity was only 60 years old. So too for Hinduism, Shintoism, Taoism, Buddhism, Santeria, Islam and Judaism. And guaranteed the early days of these religions will look as alien to you as Wicca does now. Indeed it's difficult to say that the Wicca of tomorrow will look exactly as it does now. Hopefully not as stagnation is the worst part of a progressive spirituality.

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Silent Whispers wrote:
The Title of the piece is: "...the Old Ways Resurge as Wicca", NOT that Wicca is the Old Ways. And whether one believes Gardner was initiated into a Coven in the New Forest area prior to establishing his "Craft of the Wica" or not doesn't really diminish the fact that even through a romanticism/nostalgia of the past Wicca was inspired by this, as were other paths such as Neo-Druidism which has various forms from the 17th Century onward.
Wicca being "60 years old" is not really a huge revelation to many students. There was also a time in the World's history that Christianity was only 60 years old. So too for Hinduism, Shintoism, Taoism, Buddhism, Santeria, Islam and Judaism. And guaranteed the early days of these religions will look as alien to you as Wicca does now. Indeed it's difficult to say that the Wicca of tomorrow will look exactly as it does now. Hopefully not as stagnation is the worst part of a progressive spirituality.
How can you expect anyone to take this seriously? It is all just a bunch of hocus pocus and rhymes.

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Real Morgan Jones wrote:
This is nothing new. Christians know that after God created the earth, mankind began to stray from Him and started animal-worship religions like Wicca and Pagans. That's EXACTLY why He sent Jesus Christ down to earth to save mankind from sin. Wiccans and Pagans should repent before it is too late!
You don't know a whole lot, do you?

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Silent Whispers wrote:
The Title of the piece is: "...the Old Ways Resurge as Wicca", NOT that Wicca is the Old Ways. And whether one believes Gardner was initiated into a Coven in the New Forest area prior to establishing his "Craft of the Wica" or not doesn't really diminish the fact that even through a romanticism/nostalgia of the past Wicca was inspired by this, as were other paths such as Neo-Druidism which has various forms from the 17th Century onward.
Wicca being "60 years old" is not really a huge revelation to many students. There was also a time in the World's history that Christianity was only 60 years old. So too for Hinduism, Shintoism, Taoism, Buddhism, Santeria, Islam and Judaism. And guaranteed the early days of these religions will look as alien to you as Wicca does now. Indeed it's difficult to say that the Wicca of tomorrow will look exactly as it does now. Hopefully not as stagnation is the worst part of a progressive spirituality.
I think ol' Gardner also borrowed heavily from Stregheria.
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Real Morgan Jones wrote:
How can you expect anyone to take this seriously? It is all just a bunch of hocus pocus and rhymes.
Actually have you ever tried rhyming in Irish or Latin for that matter? Its not so easy. Culturally speaking words tend to render how a person sees the world and so if one employs gibberish in ritual then that is what one will manifest but if you chooses to express the world around them in complete and frank honesty with oneself.

If done correctly there is little reason one should feel compelled to have others take it seriously. It should enhance your own life and enable you to be a better functioning member of your own community. Granted some of the louder aspects of the Spirituality tend not to be shinning examples of this but once more if one is called to the Path then you will look beneath the surface.
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I think ol' Gardner also borrowed heavily from Stregheria.
Not sure how you mean to be honest?

Either way what I think is a far more interesting is that he created the system of Wicca from networking so successfully with other groups around him at the time. And this was in the days before the internet and on a Civil Servant's salary. To my mind thats a far stronger piece of the movement's history than "it's the Old Religion".

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Bloody Damn Visigoths wrote:
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I think ol' Gardner also borrowed heavily from Stregheria.
Silent Whispers wrote:
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Not sure how you mean to be honest?
I'm not sure of what that means.

Gardnerian Wicca dates back to the 1940s; Stregheria dates back to about the 1300s. I've seen a lot of Stregheria influence in his books.

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Real Morgan Jones wrote:
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How can you expect anyone to take this seriously? It is all just a bunch of hocus pocus and rhymes.
Pagans, deists and atheists feel the same way about your bible.

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Real Morgan Jones wrote:
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How can you expect anyone to take this seriously? It is all just a bunch of hocus pocus and rhymes.
Oh, poetry is quite a serious matter.

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Silent Whispers wrote:
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Actually have you ever tried rhyming in Irish or Latin for that matter? Its not so easy. Culturally speaking words tend to render how a person sees the world and so if one employs gibberish in ritual then that is what one will manifest but if you chooses to express the world around them in complete and frank honesty with oneself.
If done correctly there is little reason one should feel compelled to have others take it seriously. It should enhance your own life and enable you to be a better functioning member of your own community. Granted some of the louder aspects of the Spirituality tend not to be shinning examples of this but once more if one is called to the Path then you will look beneath the surface.
You have been spoon fed lies by this cult. You read all that gibberish in your 60 year old book about a fairy godmother and her little pixies. Keep waving that magicK wand, and maybe some day you can fly like your fairy godmother queen.

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You have been spoon fed lies by this cult. You read all that gibberish in your 60 year old book about a fairy godmother and her little pixies. Keep waving that magicK wand, and maybe some day you can fly like your fairy godmother queen.
Proof once again that you don't know what the hell you're talking about.
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Real Morgan Jones wrote:
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How can you expect anyone to take this seriously? It is all just a bunch of hocus pocus and rhymes.
And you're taken seriously with your biblical contradictions?

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You have been spoon fed lies by this cult. You read all that gibberish in your 60 year old book about a fairy godmother and her little pixies. Keep waving that magicK wand, and maybe some day you can fly like your fairy godmother queen.
You should do some research on a topic before bad mouthing it. Do you have any idea how ignorant your posts are?
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You should do some research on a topic before bad mouthing it. Do you have any idea how ignorant your posts are?
I agree. I know christians that are respectful. This guy is striking out on his points to heaven. I don't think he will ever be able to catch up.

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You have been spoon fed lies by this cult. You read all that gibberish in your 60 year old book about a fairy godmother and her little pixies. Keep waving that magicK wand, and maybe some day you can fly like your fairy godmother queen.
So when someone reads the Bible it is 'inspired' and when someone reads anything else that resonates with them spiritually they are being brainwashed? How does that work, just exactly, logically?
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You have been spoon fed lies by this cult. You read all that gibberish in your 60 year old book about a fairy godmother and her little pixies. Keep waving that magicK wand, and maybe some day you can fly like your fairy godmother queen.
Actually, I'm not what one may call an "armchair-magician". I practice my spirituality on a daily basis to the point I don't need to rely on books. Indeed I have found that the but college material that explores phenomenon like linguistics, sociology and literature.

Besides fairies should be respected as they have a wand to bash you over the noggin' with if not careful! Which is also a good reason not to bow to them... ;)

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