Missing classical

Missing classical

There are 10 comments on the Chicago Tribune story from Aug 26, 2008, titled Missing classical. In it, Chicago Tribune reports that:

So where is Mozart, Beethoven or Vivaldi in the lists of music on the iPods of famous people? I'd hope at least our two presidential candidates might listen to classical music sometime.

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“Death to humans!”

Since: Jul 08

A long way from here...

#2 Aug 26, 2008
Mark Jeffries wrote:
As if Americans--Barack Obama in particular--should be supporting Dead White Male European Culture music endorsed by Adolf Hitler and Josef Stalin instead of music based in the American experience.
If you are a Boomer or younger and you hate rock, soul, blues and jazz, why are you a prematurely senile traitor to your generation?
There is plenty of "classical" music based on the "American" experience. While the letter didn't mention any of those composers (Copland, Ives, Adams, Carter) they are certainly out there and deserve mention. Some of those "dead white male Europeans" spent time here, and wrote music based on their experience (Dvorak and Stravinsky come to mind).

Were there some composers that were heralded by evil people? Yes, Hitler was fond of Wagner. The Soviets had their favorites. That doesn't detract from the fact that they wrote INCREDIBLE music.

In addition, Classical music provided (and still does) provide the roots upon which most modern music is built. An appreciation and elementary understanding of classical music can deepen one's appreciation of today's music.

Classical music and popular music (rock, soul, blues, jazz, etc.) are not mutually exclusive. Many of us enjoy and appreciate both. Perhaps our candidates DO enjoy it, but felt the need to include more "popular" selections in order to seem like they are "in touch" with "the people." If that is the case, I'm even more depressed than if they don't have classical music on their iPods at all.

“Death to humans!”

Since: Jul 08

A long way from here...

#3 Aug 26, 2008
Sorry for all the quotation marks. That looks pretty dumb, doesn't it?

Since: Jul 08

United States

#4 Aug 26, 2008
Misplaced Texan wrote:
Sorry for all the quotation marks. That looks pretty dumb, doesn't it?
Not at all. You made several valid, sane points.

Personally I would have liked to have seen at least a mention in the listings of George Gershwin or Duke Ellington, two of the greatest American composers ever.

“Death to humans!”

Since: Jul 08

A long way from here...

#5 Aug 26, 2008
Bibliophilist wrote:
<quoted text>
Not at all. You made several valid, sane points.
Personally I would have liked to have seen at least a mention in the listings of George Gershwin or Duke Ellington, two of the greatest American composers ever.
I thought about Gershwin, having his feet both in classical and jazz. While Ellington was a BRILLIANT composer, I didn't include him as his music was largely out of the realm of classical music.

I use quotes around the word classical sometimes to denote the generic form of it from the specific period between the baroque and romantic eras.

Now I sound like a total dweeb.
Barry

Schaumburg, IL

#6 Aug 26, 2008
Haven't heard that stereotype from MJ in a while. Are you related to Leonard Jeffries,the Afro-centric author? While a lot of our music was brought here from diverse parts of Europe it transformed over the years. Who thinks about the evolution of music anyway? So what if our country music is descended from English,Irish,Scots and Welsh folk music? I'm an American,if it works I'll use it.
Leon

Edwardsburg, MI

#7 Aug 26, 2008
Mark Jeffries wrote:
As if Americans--Barack Obama in particular--should be supporting Dead White Male European Culture music endorsed by Adolf Hitler and Josef Stalin instead of music based in the American experience.
If you are a Boomer or younger and you hate rock, soul, blues and jazz, why are you a prematurely senile traitor to your generation?
Comparing the love of classical music to totalitarian cultures of Hitler and Stalin is like saying the following:

Married couples are inherently totalitarian because Hitler had married.

Anti-smoking activists are inherently totalitarian because Hitler frowned on smoking and did not smoke himself.

Dog lovers are inherently totalitarian because Hitler kept dogs and was frequently seen with them.

I forgot to mention that I am a classical music lover who plans to vote for Obama.
MrG

United States

#8 Aug 27, 2008
Most people I know DON'T put classical music on their iPods. I know I don't, and I have an extensive classical CD collection.

The 'iPod experience'--which typically involves extensive background noise and other distracting activities (like running, working out, etc.)--doesn't really lend itself well to listening to the subtleties of classical music.

Not to mention, accurately track tagging classical pieces so they show up correctly on iTunes--Is the "artist" the composer? The conductor? The soloist?--is a real bear.

I love classical compositions, as I'm sure both presidential candidates do. They're just not all that appropriate for the iPod.
Barry

Schaumburg, IL

#9 Sep 6, 2008
Traitor to one's generation? Goes right along with traitor to one's gender or race,the usual "progressive" nonsense of identity politics. I really don't care what anybody has on their playlist,the very fact that they have any music is good enoughfor me.

Since: May 08

United States

#10 Sep 9, 2008
Mark Jeffries wrote:
As if Americans--Barack Obama in particular--should be supporting Dead White Male European Culture music endorsed by Adolf Hitler and Josef Stalin instead of music based in the American experience.
If you are a Boomer or younger and you hate rock, soul, blues and jazz, why are you a prematurely senile traitor to your generation?
My dad had a great classical collection and I grew up on that. Never listened to "radio music" until after college. Willem Breuker, Bjork and Elliott Carter are on my iPod. There's no typical American way to grow up.

“Bene Gesserit”

Since: Oct 07

Lincoln Park

#11 Sep 9, 2008
no matter which way you look at their list... They just wanted to project that they are hip and that the general masses can relate to them. Putting classical music on their list would not impress me.

I would be impressed if they had Public Enemy, Rage Against the Machine, Ramones, Pantera or even Weird Al Yankovich.

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