Suits slap Supercenter

Suits slap Supercenter

There are 49 comments on the San Bernardino County Sun story from Jul 31, 2008, titled Suits slap Supercenter. In it, San Bernardino County Sun reports that:

Two environmental groups have filed lawsuits against this town and Wal-Mart Stores Inc., challenging a planned Wal-Mart Supercenter.

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MadHatter50

United States

#1 Aug 1, 2008
Wal-Mart Super Centers would strongly benefit the people with lower food prices. Unions just do not want union free stores in California. The unions do not care to allow the people to lower thier food budgets. Wal-Mart does what our goverment has failed to do, keep prices low. California has become dysfunctional and the war agaisnt super centers using environmental laws is a false tactic. Too may people are the real cause of environmental damage!
Concerned

Indio, CA

#2 Aug 1, 2008
Food4less and stater brothers have affordable food. I hope the Supercenter doesn't get built, it's not worth the destruction and Walmart is a terrible corporation, get the facts.

Too many people are the cause of environmental damage? Well yeah, because they want to build lots of stores and wal-mart supercenters! Because they think the trade off is worth it when it isn't. Food prices are raising REGARDLESS and if people want cheap food they can move to another state (we all know California is very expensive) into a city that already has a Supercenter. It's not impossible for them to make this move, better than staying here and encouraging the destruction of an endangered desert.

The Supercenter will only hurt Yucca Valley and Joshua Tree Village.
Cactus Wren

AOL

#3 Aug 3, 2008
The Morongo Basin is a rare delicate ancient old growth forrest. When it is cleared, 1000's of years of ecological wonder is destroyed permanently.

You who think we NEED this stupid store NEED to look at the bigger picture. The one that is here when you are dead and gone and our children inherit.

Will you choose to leave them a legacy of awesome beauty and biological diversity?

OR A FREAKING GHETTO!
Ariel

Indio, CA

#4 Aug 3, 2008
Exactly! People need to get their heads out of their butts and examine the situation as it is. This isn't just any old desert, it is an endangered forest and it has suffered enough.
pro-growth

Cathedral City, CA

#5 Aug 7, 2008
MadHatter50 What these anti-growth people are saying is nothing but hypocrisy. “They” can live here and argue that they do not have any whatsoever influence upon as to why there has been growth here. “To many people are the cause of environmental damage.” Concerned has no effect upon the total population of YV. Now concerned wants controlled birth count from every family because they’re to many people. “They” never ever need to shop, go to the hospital, purchase gas, get their auto repaired, get legal advice, etc here now do they. This is the exact reason why merchants have their businesses here, to better service YV residents. Businesses wouldn’t be here if people weren’t here. As for them if they want to keep YV from growing move to Amboy. There’s too plenty of open empty desert between here and Lucern. No stores, lights, bars, roads, hospitals, schools, barber shops, gas stations, and especially people.
Ariel

Indio, CA

#6 Aug 7, 2008
Pro-growth your argument is irrational. I shop in places that have been here for MANY MANY years and I have never lived in a brand new house, no where close. All the houses I have ever lived in have been old. I would never live in one of those communities where every single house is the exact same as my neighbors. Yucca Valley does NOT need this. If you would actually look at the whole picture and realize it will only hurt us in the long wrong you'd might change your point of view but its pretty obvious you don't give a damn about the environment, your own health or anything that really matters. You don't care that stores that have been here for 15+ years will close because of this fancy new Supercenter, or that people will lose jobs. It's not going to fix the economy, it's going to damage the economy of Yucca Valley and Joshua Tree and it will waste our resources, add to pollution, and destroy old growth forest that has been around for hundreds of years.

I care deeply about the land, I always have an always will. I put the environment of this fragile desert above my own "comforts" and would never approve of something destructive for my own gain. I can't change what has already been built, and even if I tried the plants would not grow back. But I can do what I can to prevent further damage to this endangered environment for the good of our futures. I will never understand greed like yours.

If you had a soul I wouldn't doubt you'd sell it for a large enough profit. There is more to life then you, there is more to life than money, and there is more to life than greed.

Wal-mart ONLY CARES ABOUT WAL-MART if you payed attention to anything you'd realize this. They don't care how many stores close down, how many people at those businesses lose their jobs, the negative impact on the environment, or anything like that. It is a corporation ran by greed and corruption.

I am not going to say "CLOSE ALL THE WAL-MARTS" but I know they shouldn't be here building a Supercenter, if anything they should renovate the current Wal-mart, and yes they have room to do so. Any one with eyes could see.

Excuse me for loving something precious and rare :) something that can not be replaced. Once this desert is gone, it is gone. Human's should have no right to cause the extinction of plants and wildlife. But you are too insensitive and greedy to care about any of that.
Ariel

Indio, CA

#7 Aug 7, 2008
And another thing, these people can always move. I know a lot of people who are moving, and that's good. It's good to explore all there is out there and to expand one's view of the world. The desert doesn't need to be destroyed anymore and shouldn't be. We have everything we need and nothing else is needed. What will you approve of next? Would you be fine with them developing in the National Park?

If you despise nature so much go live in a big, filthy city. The majority of the residents here are here because we enjoy it being a *small* town with little crime, little pollution, little traffic, and beauty. I can't stand to see the beauty of nature destroyed, especially over something that is not needed just so people can have "cheaper" groceries. The price of everything is going up, the strain on the environment is increasing, and your Supercenter wont fix any of our problems. Educate yourself.
Ariel

Indio, CA

#8 Aug 7, 2008
I can't stop thinking about it. I can never understand the "people" who put money and personal profit above everyone and everything else. You are trying to argue that it will help Yucca Valley but it truly wont. Causing other stores to lose business and close down isn't going to help. Wasting our precious resources isn't going to help. Dimming the sky (people from all over come here to see the stars and the National Park) isn't going to do anything positive for Joshua Tree Village *or* Yucca Valley.

We have 4 super markets, that is plenty of places to shop for food. We have 3 health food stores (one in Yucca and two tiny ones in Joshua Tree), we have fast food places, a Starbuck's, gyms, cafes, an Applebees, etc. We have everything we need to live our lives here. We do not need this Wal-mart Supercenter, we didn't even need that Home Depot. It's not too hard to go down to Palm Desert or just go to Barr Lumber. But thats logic speaking, you don't operate by logic, only by greed. And it is distressing. Watching the world die all around us because people think they need to keep building. No destruction is ever enough for you! I cherish and respect the land and its wildlife and it pains me to know that people with corrupted hearts win and the ones who truly care usually lose. Money shouldn't speak so loudly.
Anti-Destruction

Indio, CA

#9 Aug 8, 2008
I bet Pro-Growth wouldn't care if LA got to have their dump by our National Park, either.
poiuytresa

Indio, CA

#10 Aug 9, 2008
We are talking about a 230.000 Square foot Walmart..big Deal! Walmart has nothing to do with Gangs and the National park. im so sick of hearing this bullshit form you people! its Already aproved and there is nothing any one can do about it! i lawsuit aint going to do shit to Walmart! Im so Sick of being a Small Town anyways! i hate only having four or five fastfood places to choose from! how about we get a Sonic or a In n out here! i actully Heard there might be a Wendys right next to Home Depot! are we going to Complain about that to? you Guys Should be proud of Our town and its Growth!
Mike Newcastle

Redlands, CA

#11 Aug 9, 2008
I say good for Walmart! Git her done!!
Mike Newcastle

Redlands, CA

#12 Aug 9, 2008
Get the Casino built too!!
Anti-Destruction

Indio, CA

#13 Aug 9, 2008
You live in Redlands? How can you stand it? It's so vile. And that Wal-mart is mostly for the people who are going to be moving up here, including gangs. We already have some gangs and with more people we will start getting gang violence.

You should move out if you are sick of it. I loved it as it was 14 years ago, it doesn't need anymore. Really, if you don't like it you should move. I am not sure if you noticied but these Joshua Trees only grow in a few places in the entire world and Yucca Valley is one of the few places.

Go move to Banning, they just built a Supercenter and you will never run out of places to fatten yourself up :)
Ariel

Indio, CA

#14 Aug 9, 2008
It will affect the National Park and it will affect the economy of Joshua Tree Village, as well as Yucca Valley. And not in a good way. It will make other store's lose business, it will make people get laid off and lose their jobs, it will pollute our sky and destroy the natural beauty of our desert wilderness. If these are not things you care about then why are you still here? I know a lot of people who are sick of the desert and instead of trying to conform it to their ideals they are leaving and moving to places that fit their ideals.
The desert plant and wildlife are ENDANGERED is that so hard for you to understand? Those Joshua Trees they will be cutting down are hundreds of years old. That is very old! You probably wont live that long.
And that Casino wants to be built by a school, what is wrong with you? Oh wait I know, you are trying to troll us to see if we get our panties all up in a bunch. I bet you support LA's landfill plans too, progress right? And I bet you'd support the government being able to take anyone's land and build whatever they want it on it, ya?
Why would anyone stay where they aren't miserable if they don't have to? Why don't you all just move to Oregon or some other cheaper, greener state? Or move to the big city, instead of insisting on the destruction of endangered plant and wildlife
Ariel

Indio, CA

#15 Aug 9, 2008
P.s. I bet you all voted for Bush :)
Ariel

Indio, CA

#16 Aug 9, 2008
Yesterday on my way back from Riverside I saw a billboard encouraging people to move to Yucca Valley. It enraged me, to say the least. Yucca Valley has obviously been corrupted by greed.
Yucca Valley doesn't want to better itself, it wants to make a hefty profit off the destruction of endangered species.

It's repulsive in those areas. Just streets and streets of stores, so very ugly. And that's what you want Yucca to be? Why not move down there where it's already a done deal (and they don't have endangered species in the way of their developing) Their "wilderness" is just a bunch of ugly, dead weeds. I am sure it was beautiful there once though.

Ever though of moving to Palm Springs? Or Cathedral City?
Unda

Indio, CA

#17 Aug 9, 2008
If this Supercenter is built I hope it will be the last thing they decide to build. I hope they don't build anymore of those hideous housing communities where all the houses look the same..
pro-growth

Cathedral City, CA

#18 Aug 9, 2008
poiuytresa Mike Newcastle I'm with you! These anti-growth pin heads just don't get it. "Wal-mart is mostly for pepole who are going to move up here." As if they didn't add to the population of YV. What they are saying is the vehicle they use has zero effect on pollution or traffic here in YV. We need growth and Amboy is calling them
Ariel

Indio, CA

#19 Aug 9, 2008
Pro-growth I have probably lived up here longer than you have. I am totally against people who move up here just to complain it's too small, I am against people who have always lived here who complain about that too. It's not like this is just any other place. It is full of ENDANGERED species that can *not* live anywhere else. I do not support new growth, but I can not do a damn thing about what has already been destroyed. I don't even drive, I carpool, and I don't go out all the time either. My idea of fun is just going to the movies or going hiking in the National Park which is becoming more endangered thanks to allt he growth in Yucca Valley.

We do not need growth, one day I hope you will realize what a selfish fool you are. I'd like all generations of people to be able to visit the desert and enjoy it's rare beauty, but at this rate it wont happen. It's sad how you are trying to make me feel guilty. I am a responsible person and I am not going to stay in a place I hate and complain about how it doesn't suit my selfish needs. I am here because I truly love the desert and I am not going to leave and give up on it. I am going to stay and fight as much development as I can because it's the right thing to do.

You should move if you don't like it here. I think you get off on destruction and misery. You seem like a sadist. It's not even going to help the economy! It's not going to help with jobs, it's going to affect us negatively and you can't seem to grasp this.
Ariel

Indio, CA

#20 Aug 9, 2008
You'd probably have all the giant Red wood tree's cut down in the name of your "growth" and progress.

You'd support the destruction of all of our National Parks in the name of your progress, too. You don't care about anything but money and destruction, and yourself. How do you live with yourself?

You don't care if the supercenter causes long time pollution of our air and sky, wastes our water and resources, forces other businesses to close, and people to lose their jobs. Do you not understand that?

All of LA's pollution is slowly floating up here and it's already caused damage. You know all that stupid dead grass you see? The gases from the pollution enable it to grow and then it dies causing a big ol' fire hazard. Before this grass was introduced by ignorant people 100's or years ago the desert wildfires didn't burn so uncontrollably, the native vegetation grew far enough apart so that the fires did not spread.

More growth will bring more pollution. We will have dirty air that will pollute our bodies and an ugly town that will weaken our spirit. Humanity flourishes with nature.

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