Stoffa says prison space is key -- th...

Stoffa says prison space is key -- themorningcall.com

There are 16 comments on the The Morning Call story from Oct 12, 2007, titled Stoffa says prison space is key -- themorningcall.com. In it, The Morning Call reports that:

Northampton County Executive John Stoffa told a local civic group Thursday morning that the county's cramped prison remains his chief worry heading into next year.

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kid from bt

Allentown, PA

#1 Oct 12, 2007
its about time they put these tenants to work outside on the roads picking up garbage like in nj...... rather than supply recreational vehicles like a country club. lehigh county is just as bad!!
most of themlived sharing small apartments with a dozen others anyway.

“Racism is un-American”

Since: Dec 06

America

#2 Oct 12, 2007
We don't need more prisons we need fewer personal behavior excuses for putting people in prison in the first place. We can't keep locking people up and disenfranchising them from society for unpopular behaviors and because some people don't like other people.

SEE: October 4, 2007 U.S. Congress Joint Economic Committee hearings titled "Mass Incarceration in the United States: At What Cost?"
http://www.jec.senate.gov/hearings.htm#100407

Our society is criminalizing so many of our young people that the pool of potential military recruits is being dangerously depleted.

We are criminalizing so many people that they amount to a threat to our economy, our society and national security.

According to the newly released New York City Police Department report, "Radicalization in the West: The Homegrown Threat" by Mitchell D. Silber and Arvin Bhatt Senior Intelligence Analysts NYPD Intelligence Division, prisons are "A Radicalizing Cauldron".

"Prisons can play a critical role in both triggering and reinforcing the radicalization process. The prison’s isolated environment, ability to create a “captive audience” atmosphere, its absence of day-to-day distractions, and its large population of disaffected young men, makes it an excellent breeding ground for radicalization."

How do we reconcile America's world record prison population, that is putting thousands of socially disconnected people back onto our streets every day, with the assertions of the New York Police Department terrorism experts?

The United States Conference of Mayors are elected public executives representing the social interests of a vast majority of urban America. After citing a litany of social and economic ills that they attribute directly to the drug war the mayors resolved:

"NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED that the United States Conference of Mayors believes the war on drugs has failed and calls for a New Bottom Line in U.S. drug policy, a public health approach that concentrates more fully on reducing the negative consequences associated with drug abuse, while ensuring that our policies do not exacerbate these problems or create new social problems of their own; establishes quantifiable, short- and long-term objectives for drug policy; saves taxpayer money; and holds state and federal agencies accountable..." http://aleftindependent.blogspot.com/2007/08/...
SmokersAre Losers

AOL

#3 Oct 12, 2007
Don't be expecting ME to pay for bigger, better conditions in LOSERVILLE!!

Let 'em sleep on top of each other!!
lv toilet

Easton, PA

#4 Oct 12, 2007
I don't need to take any criminal justice classes, thanks to aahpat! must be the leading authority on this crap.

just perge the whole prison, and start over.
disgusted

Reading, PA

#5 Oct 12, 2007
I don't agree with spending millions more on prisons. The "residents" have it too good already. Prison is supposed to be "punishment" for undesired behavior...crime. It is not supposed to be a reward, where a criminal gets three square meals a day, recreational facilities, basketball courts, weight training, TV, library services, etc. These "perks" are better than what they had in their outside lives. They don't see prison as a negative consequence of their actions and that's the problem.

Prison, or the chance of going to prison, if a criminal gets caught, is supposed to be a detrrent to crime. It is not a detrrent in its cuurent state.

I would eliminate all the civil liberties that are now afforded inmates in our jails and make it a place that would-be criminals would fear, thus making them think twice about committing a crime.
sickening

Bethlehem, PA

#7 Oct 12, 2007
let them escape - bullets are cheaper then prisons
Hitcollector

United States

#8 Oct 12, 2007
Look at it like this. You can pony up the money to build a new and bigger prison now, or like what happend in Lehigh County. The inmates can sue in federal court because of overcrowding and the federal government can order you build a brand new prison. Only cost the taxpayers 52 million dollars. Like it's a deal. Plus it is already full and they need to expand again.

For those of you who think prisons are not the answer....you're fools. Once someone goes to prison, they're coming back. Why you ask? Cause who in their right mind would hire a convict for a job anything above fry cook, and even that's pushing it. So either pay up to build a new prison now or get sued in federal court and build a newer and bigger and more costly one later.

Oh for those who believe it's a wonderful place to live in prison the food is great, friends, tv, etc. You're idiots. I work inside and see. Don't get me wrong scum is scum. But if you think I or I bet you for that matter would call a scoop of rice, two pieces of bread, 1 piece of warm old balogna a hot meal worth eating then you are really out of your mind. The tv you speak of like your tax dollars pay for inmate tv. Remember the antenae that you put up on the roof of your house. There's your tv. Stop watching TV shows about jails it's not at all like prison break.

Be prepared, build a new prison now. Don't wait until a federal courts puts that burden on taxpayers.

“Racism is un-American”

Since: Dec 06

America

#9 Oct 12, 2007
Republican Congressman and presidential candidate Ron Paul of Texas drew cheers last week from a mostly Black Public Broadcasting Service hosted debate audience when he asserted:

"We don't have to have more courts and more prisons. We need to repeal the whole war on drugs. It isn't working." He concluded: "That is one way you could have equal justice under the law."
http://aleftindependent.blogspot.com/2007/09/...

"Over seventy percent of all crime is drug-related." House Government Reform Committee Chairman Dan Burton, R-IN, December 12, 2002

San Francisco mayor Gavin Newsom last week essentially reiterated and reaffirmed the resolution this past summer of the United States Conference of Mayors when he told reporters: "If you want to get serious, if you want to reduce crime by 70% in this country overnight, end this war on drugs," he told reporters at City Hall on Thursday. "You want to get serious, seriously serious about crime and violence end this war on drugs." video: http://cbs5.com/video/... @kpix.dayport.com CBS 5 / KCBS Oct. 5,2007

San Francisco's 28-year Sheriff Mike Hennessey concurred: "No, the war on drugs is not working. The war on drugs is not working because we are relying on law enforcement instead of on treatment," Hennessey said.

Law Enforcement Against Prohibition
http://www.leap.cc/cms/index.php

2007 U.N. World Drug Report:
"..drug trafficking remains the single most profitable sector of transnational criminality".

The annual Northampton county retail consumer demand for illicit intoxicant drugs is worth between $ 129,794,076 -$ 213,818,604. The lower estimate is a 2005 U.N. market estimate. The upper estimate a more recent expert opinion.

Lehigh county $ 151,675,740 -$ 246,289,296.

The state of Pennsylvania $ 5,968,592,244 -$ 9,131,415,814
http://aleftindependent.blogspot.com/2007/08/...
Rusty Shakleford

Bethlehem, PA

#10 Oct 12, 2007
America's prisons are nothing but colossal failures. Why aren't taxpayers freaking over this? Over 60% of people who enter our "correctional" facilities are doing so for the second time. That means the correction failed the first time. Meanwhile, that state asks me for more monney so that it can continue to ignore the root of the problem and instead store more of it over and over and over again.
Rusty Shakleford

Bethlehem, PA

#11 Oct 12, 2007
aahpat: you are correct. Good on you for posting what is most likely going to produce many "you're an idiot" responses. What's the old adage? Sometimes the truth hurts. In this case the truth is that the war on drugs is a gigantic failure, unless you work in corrections or law enforcement, then it's huge success because it's guaranteed money.

“Racism is un-American”

Since: Dec 06

America

#12 Oct 12, 2007
Thanks for the support. There are more of us around all the time and we need to let the politicians know how we fee if we want the world to improve. I don't mind the cat callers. It takes a village. Even the village idiot.

Most people who go to prison the first time are not criminals. Prison is their higher education in crime.

The problem is that we use prisons in America to lock up to many people we don't like rather than restricting prison only for people who threaten us. We don't like people who have the unpopular disease of drug addiction. And their opportunistic suppliers. Suppliers who would not have a market except that the government prohibits legitimate regulated and licensed of commerce from controlling the distribution.

The only reason that so many children are involved with drugs by the time their high school grads is because the morals and ethics of addict drug dealers and gangsters are the only morals and ethics imposed on the distribution of drugs. Put responsible members of the community in control and children would have far less access to drugs in their formative years.

Glen Hanson, acting director of the National Institute on Drug Abuse, a federal agency, said...

Since access to beer and cigarettes is restricted at the retail stage, Hanson said, youths have significant hurdles to obtaining them."

As far as marijuana is concerned, there is not any control there," he said. "If you want it, you can get it. That is not good news." http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v02/n1551/a10.... 21 Aug 2002, Boston Globe

Kids are expected to 'just say no' but that is not physically realistic according to the National Institutes on Drug Abuse.

"WASHINGTON - Call it the science of peer pressure. When teenagers fail to just say no to drugs, Dr. Nora Volkow blames their brains, not their willpower — they lack links between some crucial brain regions that won't fully form until they're adults.

Age matters a lot when it comes to drug abuse. It's an evolving view of addiction that Volkow brings as head of the government's National Institute on Drug Abuse." http://msnbc.msn.com/id/12136839/ MSNBC/AP

The worst drug abuse, the genetically impaired incurable addiction, can be medically handled much cheaper and more effectively than by using a punitive moralistic zero tolerance prohibition.
Windmills NEVER

Sharon Hill, PA

#13 Oct 12, 2007
I will fight windmills with every fiber of my being - just like Walter Cronkite, Carly Simon and the Kenneddy's are doing in Massachusetts. NO windmills here until the stars of the phony left allow them in their backyards! Why doesn't Al Gore use windmills to pay for his mansion that consumes my equivalent energy use each week? Because he knows he's peddling books for profit and couldn't tell a warm front from a cold front if his neglected drug addict son hit him over the head with one. Hypocrisy.
Clintons Inhaler

Sharon Hill, PA

#14 Oct 12, 2007
Way to be aahpat.

The drug war is a phony public works project that has increased addiction and the crime required to support it.

Lots of so-called anti-drug phonies are addicted to currently legal crutches because they claim to be nervous or depressed or whatever. Many of these Paxil, Xanax addicts are the ones passing laws against the drugs they don't like or use. It's the height of hypocrisy.

I know lots of you "legal addicts" are going to respond about how your legal prescription drug habit has "helped" you. Save it for someone who doesn't care that you are weak and addicted.

Currently illegal drugs were once legal in this country. There's no guarantee that your mommy's little helpers (Paxil, Zanax) won't eventually be made illegal as well. Then you'll be a criminal and you'll wish you hadn't been so weak in the first place.

There are many drug addicts. Most are not in jail.

“Racism is un-American”

Since: Dec 06

America

#15 Oct 12, 2007
Clintons Inhaler wrote:
Way to be aahpat.
The drug war is a phony public works project that has increased addiction and the crime required to support it.
Lots of so-called anti-drug phonies are addicted to currently legal crutches because they claim to be nervous or depressed or whatever. Many of these Paxil, Xanax addicts are the ones passing laws against the drugs they don't like or use. It's the height of hypocrisy.
I know lots of you "legal addicts" are going to respond about how your legal prescription drug habit has "helped" you. Save it for someone who doesn't care that you are weak and addicted.
Currently illegal drugs were once legal in this country. There's no guarantee that your mommy's little helpers (Paxil, Zanax) won't eventually be made illegal as well. Then you'll be a criminal and you'll wish you hadn't been so weak in the first place.
There are many drug addicts. Most are not in jail.
All true.

And its not like we don't already accept recreational drugs. Viagra can cause heart problems in the target users. And blindness but it is still prescribed and even paid for by medical plans.

I defy anyone to tell me that a four hour boner is not dangerous. Especially for a sixty or eighty year old lady who is not in the mood.

“Racism is un-American”

Since: Dec 06

America

#16 Oct 12, 2007
Two choices. A. Fill more prison cells at a cost of at least $ 33,000 per bed per year for the state of Pennsylvania. B. Start looking at ways to reduce crime.

Addicts are like individual crime waves in a community. Each committing sometimes hundreds of dollars a day in economic crime leaving ripples of crime victims in their wake. If that crime includes drug dealing then the addict is constantly looking to grow their community in order to succeed in life and stay high.

Getting as many of these people as possible out of the crime dependence economic cycle is the best way to reduce crime. Making high quality rehab available for as many people as possible is something that works quickly and is accepted in the American prohibition system.

Not accepted by the U.S. government but proven very effective at reducing crime, new addiction and diseases related to addiction is to prescribe the addictive substance to the addict. Before the modern drug war Great Britain did this with great success. Many European nations today are returning to this Harm Reduction modal since Switzerland started a long term experiment with it in the early 1990's.

September 4, 2006 - 9:43 PM
Swiss heroin model reporting benefits

"A number of studies have found that Switzerland's heroin-assisted treatment plans help ease the scourge of addiction for users and society."
(SNIP)
"In Switzerland, the medicalisation of heroin use has helped change the image of users: from rebels to losers," Nordt said. "In the eyes of the young, they're mostly just sick people, forced to get medical help."

Reduced consequences

The harm reduction policy followed by the Swiss authorities has also been successful in reducing heroin-related deaths, which have fallen by more than half over the course of a decade, and the transmission of Aids.

And there is more good news concerning the fight against crime and prostitution.

"Compared with countries like Britain, where crime is very often linked to substance abuse, this trend has almost disappeared in Switzerland over the last few years," said Nordt.

http://www.swissinfo.org/eng/front/detail/Swi...
Real time

Whitehall, PA

#17 Oct 13, 2007
Stoffa has a knack for making the obvious sound profound.

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