Veterans group sues county for closin...

Veterans group sues county for closing Santa Cruz Vets Hall

There are 19 comments on the Santa Cruz Sentinel story from Apr 9, 2010, titled Veterans group sues county for closing Santa Cruz Vets Hall. In it, Santa Cruz Sentinel reports that:

A Santa Cruz veterans group Thursday filed suit against the county, alleging the emergency closure of the Veterans Memorial Building by county officials in January was unwarranted and demanding the facility be reopened.

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HereWeGoAgain

Fairfax, VA

#1 Apr 9, 2010
Most veterans took far greater risks while becoming veterans than any of these wimps in Santa Cruz will ever consider taking. Open the hall and fire the wimp that closed it.
unAmerican

San Jose, CA

#4 Apr 9, 2010
Didn't the Vets Hall building survive the 89 earthquake years ago.. and now it's, "suddenly structurally unfit" -?

The old Holy Cross Catholic highschool facility is falling apart and yet remains open to promote 'emergency rescue services' for local families.

Wait, WHOSE family?

Seems it gets a little anti American in these parts..

* Uriah Heap assigned to direct memorial while prohibiting public from using rest rooms despite funds available at the RDA,

* soldiers are called "baby killers" from local bars,

* interference against other development at the Arana Gulch over a tar plant rights (cultural fetish for rabbits and guinnea pigs - tar plant being a favored delicacy among these parasites - George Washington would know)

* lots of emphasis on ugly penguines downtown as public art,

Yet, what can our Vets really expect under a town name like "Santa Cruz" - with what can be compared against, "religious freedom."

And, what on earth did County Board Supervisor Stone possibly do for this country while serving under the Navy?

“Freedom and Responsibility”

Since: Apr 10

Glenwood, CA

#5 Apr 9, 2010
HereWeGoAgain wrote:
Most veterans took far greater risks while becoming veterans than any of these wimps in Santa Cruz will ever consider taking. Open the hall and fire the wimp that closed it.
Of course! Our vets were courageous in the defense of our country. It makes sense to send 'em into a building that engineers have found to be in need of repair.
Ray in Santa Cruz

San Ramon, CA

#6 Apr 9, 2010
I am a Veteran and decades ago chose not to associate with the whining clowns who hang out at the Veterans Memorial Building. Maybe things have changed, but I see they are still a bunch or whiners and losers.

These ingrates are given subsidize facilities and when the building has problems, they are moved to other county offices, and they still complain.

What a bunch of jerks.
OldFreeDiver

San Mateo, CA

#8 Apr 9, 2010
You may see the video of the Tim McCormick press release by following the link below. If it does not play when you click the link, just copy and past it into your IE browser search line.
http://blip.tv/file/3460537

Voices from the village show on the vet hall
http://blip.tv/file/3321876
OldFreeDiver

San Mateo, CA

#9 Apr 9, 2010
Ray in Santa Cruz wrote:
I am a Veteran and decades ago chose not to associate with the whining clowns who hang out at the Veterans Memorial Building. Maybe things have changed, but I see they are still a bunch or whiners and losers.
These ingrates are given subsidize facilities and when the building has problems, they are moved to other county offices, and they still complain.
What a bunch of jerks.
Sorry to hear you were not able to connect with any of the veterans organizations. Most meet monthly and have limited participation. What I miss about the vet hall most is the walk-in medical clinic Wednesdays, County Veterans Services Office help and bus/van services to Palo Alto and San Jose where I get medical help. I do participate in holiday meals (I donate more than eat.) and other veterans ceremonies and services. Not every returning veteran copes well and having a place to go to talk to older veterans who may be able to help is a positive thing. I regret that I was not on West Cliff drive last year to intercede when the young army veteran killed himself at my most sacred place in SantA Cruz. There will be a time when you will want to talk, or meet your Waterloo. We are all human afterall.
Steve

San Francisco, CA

#10 Apr 9, 2010
What? Who in this day and age is calling army personnel "baby killers"? I think somebody is stuck in a time warp. This was a term slung around in the late 60's.
Ellis

Santa Cruz, CA

#11 Apr 9, 2010
The county wants the building for one of its crony nonprofits. They don't give a hoot about our veterans. This is typical behavior from county officials. After 20-30 years of this, isn't it time for a change.
Sigh

Los Angeles, CA

#12 Apr 9, 2010
It is amazing how irresponsible and badgering the Veteran groups around here are towards the county government. I wish they were in Fresno or Orange County trying to deal with their local governments instead, just to see how good they have it.

Fact is, the county can't just ignore it when they are told by building inspectors that the facility has to closed and it will take over a million dollars in repairs before it can be opened to the public again.

If those reports turn out to be unfounded, or it is possible to find a temporary solution, or the money becomes available to fix it. I'm sure the county will be happy to open the building up again, to *everyone* who uses it.

But starting a lawsuit over this, is just being frivolous, self righteous, and frankly, making it harder for Veterans in this area to get the things they want moving forward.
SC TAXPAYER

Hollister, CA

#13 Apr 9, 2010
This is the problem with states,counties and cities getting involved in Veteran affairs on ANY level. Veteran affairs are the responsibility of the federal government and no taxpayer dollars should ever be spent at the local or state level. We love our veterans but please, don't set up local programs that should be handled by the feds. Now how much money will be wasted defending a lawsuit brought by this group over a decrepit building that the county will likely be forced to renovate? One dollar is too much.
sixkilo

United States

#14 Apr 9, 2010
location location location. The politics of place. 58 high priced condominiums planned to go up across the street from the Veterans Memorial Bldg. Hmmmm.
lynda c

Milpitas, CA

#15 Apr 9, 2010
the county took our building and didn't care if it was being used for the betterment of our veterans.when the county first became the owner of our building it looked down their noses at the homeless vets who came to our building.as far as i'm concerned the county can go take a hike and give us our building back!!!where are our new veterans going to go for the help they need?
Ellis

Santa Cruz, CA

#16 Apr 9, 2010
lynda c wrote:
the county took our building and didn't care if it was being used for the betterment of our veterans.when the county first became the owner of our building it looked down their noses at the homeless vets who came to our building.as far as i'm concerned the county can go take a hike and give us our building back!!!where are our new veterans going to go for the help they need?
County officials do not see veterans as a "cool" issue - like green building, or coho salmon, or ecology inaction or one of the other phony environmental nonprofits who exist purely for political purposes. It's a scam and a sham and we should vote these imbeciles out of office.
Ex-worker

Chicago, IL

#17 Apr 9, 2010
I worked at the Vets Hall for 1 1/2 years,for the nonprofit that runs the place.This all really seems like a power place between the nonprofit and the vets groups.For years,the Vets Hall has been opened mainly for use as an event hall,for classes and concerts,with limiteed use by the vets.The main reason for this is that the bills for maintenance and utilities cost more than the funding given by the government.However,they are mandated by law to keep the hall open for vets.This means they have to get funding from other sources,hence the rentals for classes and concerts.This causes all kinds of conflicts.
I believe that each group is viewing this as an opportunity to remove each other from the situation.As much as I hope that the vets retain the hall at the end of all this,they will still have the problem of limited funding. And as much as I believe they should have the building,I also believe it should be safe,and I think that still needs to be determined.
Ex-worker

Chicago, IL

#18 Apr 9, 2010
I ment to say "power play"
Diane Rejman

Palo Alto, CA

#19 Apr 9, 2010
I posted this yesterday. I wonder why it got deleted!

I know Paul Cox, the Civil Engineer that the veterans called in to evaluate the building's structure. He doesn't believe the building needs to be closed. He has been doing this for a very long time. I trust his knowledge and think his recommendations should be followed. He lives in Oakland, and has nothing at stake in this discussion.

There are many many activities and events that take place in this building. It would be stupid to close it unless it is absolutely necessary.

The Veterans groups are not a bunch of whiners. There seems to be a prejudiced ignorance showing up in some of these posts. Who do you think coordinates the HUGE holiday meals that feed hundreds or thousands of people every year. But its not only veterans groups who use this building. There are all kinds of classes held here. And it has one of the most accessable auditoriums available for use by the general public.

And then there the fact that EVERY SINGLE BUILDING in an earthquake zone "could" collapse during an earthquake. I don't see anybody suggesting closing the entire state because of this possibility.

I do believe the closing has more to do with money and greed than any concern for any person. This is certainly a choice piece of real estate that somebody could make a lot of money on.

I hope the county comes to its senses, listens to a knowledgeable Civil Engineer, and keeps this asset to our community open.
Ben Newman

Santa Rosa, CA

#20 Apr 9, 2010
I am willing to step up in helping maintain and sort out all the problems with our Vets Hall and keep this landmark involved in our community. Being a Licenced Contractor, Local born and raised, I know what is involved to maintain this building, all we need is a structured way of recycled materiials ect and donations. At a time of need with all our problems oversea's and the returning Vetts to our community we need this building and the support from the VA and the very skilled vett's to get involved. Once it's gone it will never be the same. Everyone out there who might have the slightest inclination to help, get onboard and help float this sinking ship!!
HereWeGoAgain

Fairfax, VA

#21 Apr 10, 2010
Big_Mike wrote:
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Of course! Our vets were courageous in the defense of our country. It makes sense to send 'em into a building that engineers have found to be in need of repair.
The county engineers have been a joke for years. Of all the places they have closed, I have yet to see one fall down, this even includes Love Creek, where many buildings were still standing the last time I hiked the area. How can a building be safe one day, and unsafe the next. The Condo's on West Cliff are another example. Maybe they need a more reasonable approach, rather than their heavy handed "SHUT IT DOWN IF WE DON'T LIKE IT" approach. Red tags were flying all over the place after the 89 earthquake, yet, I never saw a damaged building fall down, although there were a few I wouldn't want to take a chance on, there were many more that were more of a TKO. We need to get a whole new planning department and building inspection managers.
Historic Building

Palo Alto, CA

#22 Apr 25, 2010
Nobody has pointed out that this building is on the National Register of Historic Places.

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