Teddy Roosevelt was no conservative

Teddy Roosevelt was no conservative

There are 8 comments on the The York Daily Record story from Nov 24, 2009, titled Teddy Roosevelt was no conservative. In it, The York Daily Record reports that:

In his recently published lame attempt to rebut Harry Brown's brilliant comparison of liberals and conservatives, letter writer Paul Murray of York Township has his credibility totally shot to blazes when he laughably calls Theodore Roosevelt a conservative great.

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JeffreyABrown

United States

#1 Nov 24, 2009
Some of what Mr. Fishel had to say was purely his own opinion and some of it was blather, but he's dead right when he says that Teddy Roosevelt considered himself a "progressive". The conservatives of his own era hated him, and TR hated them right back.
Bro1856

Cockeysville, MD

#2 Nov 25, 2009
I'm curious as to Mr. Fishel's views on the "greatness" of other progressives of the same time. From Margaret Sanger's enthusiastic support for forced abortions of minorities and eugenics to Pres Hoover's Progressive views on handling (and mishandling) the Great Depression to the Progressive FDR who saddled us with the greatest ponzi scheme (Social Security) in history. Frank Baum (writer of the Wizard of Oz) was a Progressive who advocated in editorials, the extermination of American Indians as a kindness sine they were going to die out anyway...

I think the vulgarity of progressivism is even worse that the "vulgarity of conservatism".

Of course, this all comes from the cesspool of intolerance and bigotry that is Fishel. I can only assume he's off his lithium again....
JeffreyABrown

United States

#3 Nov 25, 2009
York County abounds with "cesspools of intolerance and bigotry" on both ends of the political spectrum, but I always give Fishel points for embracing positions--no matter how much I disagree with them--that aren't very popular.
Anyway, the letter he responded to called TR a conservative and he at least set the record straight.
Well

New Cumberland, PA

#4 Nov 25, 2009
JeffreyABrown wrote:
York County abounds with "cesspools of intolerance and bigotry" on both ends of the political spectrum, but I always give Fishel points for embracing positions--no matter how much I disagree with them--that aren't very popular.
Anyway, the letter he responded to called TR a conservative and he at least set the record straight.
It may have just been someone originally confusing conservative with conservationist. You know, sort of like how they confuse the usage of leave, left and let...
JeffreyABrown

United States

#5 Nov 25, 2009
Well, TR was certainly a conservationist. No argument there.
On the other hand

AOL

#6 Dec 5, 2009
York County abounds with "cesspools of intolerance and bigotry" on both ends of the political spectrum, but I always give Fishel points for embracing positions--no matter how much I disagree with them--that aren't very popular

The thing about Fishel though is that is a mere contrarian. I'd bet anything that if he lived in San Francisco or New York he'd be to the right of Michael Savage. He just wants to be hated because that is how he views himself - someone worthless and not deserving of love. I feel sorry for him.
JeffreyABrown

United States

#7 Dec 5, 2009
On the other hand wrote:
...The thing about Fishel though is that he is a mere contrarian. I'd bet anything that if he lived in San Francisco or New York he'd be to the right of Michael Savage...
I've never met Fishel, so I can't say if you're wrong or right, but what you've said is certainly plausible. I HAVE met people, over the years, who derived a perverse delight from taking contrarian stances, and you're right: They're pretty sad.
Bro1856

Cockeysville, MD

#8 Dec 7, 2009
On the other hand wrote:
York County abounds with "cesspools of intolerance and bigotry" on both ends of the political spectrum, but I always give Fishel points for embracing positions--no matter how much I disagree with them--that aren't very popular
The thing about Fishel though is that is a mere contrarian. I'd bet anything that if he lived in San Francisco or New York he'd be to the right of Michael Savage. He just wants to be hated because that is how he views himself - someone worthless and not deserving of love. I feel sorry for him.
I don't think he is a mere contrarian. I have read his letters for quite a few years now and he genuinely believes the hatred filled diatribes that spew forth from his mouth.

He's the kind of guy that worships everything to the left of Stalin and refuses to believe that there is anything good about conservatism, the Constitution, and rational thought.

I pity him, but it's only because he is the type of bitter, little man that has nothing good to say and will spend the end of his life as the guy we all left burning bags of poop on the front steps for.

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