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Beatles versus the Stones: Who 's better?

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ononothimagin

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#205 Sep 8, 2012
Poppa Jivebones wrote:
<quoted text>Interesting I never knew that about Come Together.I had no idea John got the idea from a Chuck Berry song. John was brilliant at words and lyrics.
You know the line, "I'd rather see you dead little girl than see you with another man" in "Run For Your Life" by John Lennon was lifted from a song done by Elvis Presley, "Baby, Let's Play House," don't you?

This happens all the time. Truly groundbreaking bands that strike off in unexplored territories with completely original music seldom become popular. They're considered too weird for the average listener and like great art, aren't recognized for their accomplishments until years later.

Take the classic Rolling Stone albums I just mentioned. Your average Michael Jackson fan might be persuaded to give them a listen and would probably conclude that they suck. That's because they've become accustomed to a certain sound production and anything less sounds crude and primitive. It doesn't matter if the songs are better, it just doesn't "move" them the same.

Did you know that "Red House" was left off the original pressing of "Are You Experienced" by Jimi Hendrix? The executives at his record label were concerned it would be too "Bluesy" for young, "hip" listeners. Now it's one of his greatest hits.

ononothimagin

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#206 Sep 8, 2012
Had the Beatles come out with "Strawberry Fields Forever or Helter Skelter" in the beginning, they would have been easily forgotten. Never mind that they're great songs, people just wouldn't be prepared for them. The Beatles started out with catchy, short, radio friendly songs at first. Their less orthodox songs were considered "groovy" later in their career cuz the public grew up with them.

ononothimagin

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#207 Sep 8, 2012
Had Michael Jackson came out with the message heavy, "Heal the World" songs he ended up writing late in his career in the beginning, it's likely he wouldn't have as many fans either. He started out recording catchy dance songs like, "Wanna Be Startin' Something."

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#208 Sep 8, 2012
ononothimagin wrote:
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Agreed. Even though Keef was deeply addicted to heroin during the recording of "Exile On Main Street," he found a musical comrade in their newest member, Mick Taylor. The guitar interplay between these two is awesome.
Mick Taylor has never been given due credit for his contributions to the Rolling Stones. It's true they were already superstars by the time they fired Brian Jones and hired Taylor but Taylor was with them throughout several of their best albums. When Taylor quit, they brought Ron Wood on board and put out a few more good records,(Like "Some Girls) but they weren't as phenomenal as they were with Taylor.
You should hear the live soundboard bootleg, "Leed Guitars, TV Stars"

Talk about the greatest rock n roll band that ever lived. Wow.

The recording was 20 bit remastered but never officially released.

It certainly blew my mind.

It is mostly live at Leeds University on 3-13-71 with bonus tracks.

"Dead Flowers"
"Stray Cat Blues"
"Love In Vain"
"Midnight Rambler"
"B*tch"
"Introductions"
"Honky Tonk Woman"
"Satisfaction"
"Little Queenie"
"Brown Sugar"
"Street Fighting Man"
"Let It Rock"

Bonus tracks:

"I Got The Blues" (bbc tv, 1971)
"B*tch" (bbc tv, 1971)
"Dead Flowers" (studio outtake)

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#209 Sep 8, 2012
ononothimagin wrote:
With the exception of "It's Only Rock-n-Roll and Goat's Head Soup") which had a few great songs on them but it was clear the Stones best days were behind them, if you listen to the classic "Taylor" albums,(Beggar's Banquet, Let It Bleed, Sticky Fingers and Exile On Main Street," it's positively haunting how good they were.
We can only hope some band will be that good someday again.
I think Guns N Roses came close to it in the eighties.

Guns N Roses were the last really great rock n roll band.

I liked "Goats Head Soup" but it was straight down hill after that.

The Rolling Stones turned into a backing band for Mick Jagger.

The Disco shit and the garbage that came after was pure crap.

The Stones never quite recaptured their former greatness.

ononothimagin

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#210 Sep 8, 2012
octo wrote:
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You should hear the live soundboard bootleg, "Leed Guitars, TV Stars"
Talk about the greatest rock n roll band that ever lived. Wow.
The recording was 20 bit remastered but never officially released.
It certainly blew my mind.
It is mostly live at Leeds University on 3-13-71 with bonus tracks.
"Dead Flowers"
"Stray Cat Blues"
"Love In Vain"
"Midnight Rambler"
"B*tch"
"Introductions"
"Honky Tonk Woman"
"Satisfaction"
"Little Queenie"
"Brown Sugar"
"Street Fighting Man"
"Let It Rock"
Bonus tracks:
"I Got The Blues" (bbc tv, 1971)
"B*tch" (bbc tv, 1971)
"Dead Flowers" (studio outtake)
Isn't that taken from the same concerts as "Get Your Ya-Ya's Out?"

I hadn't heard the studio version of "Midnight Rambler" for a long time. When I was a teenager, I bought "Hot Rocks," which had the live version of that song that appeared on "Get Your Ya-Ya's Out." About 10 years later, I bought "Let It Bleed" and heard the studio version for the first time. I'm torn between which one I love the most now. I love the live version because it was my introduction to it but Mick Taylor's slide guitar on the studio version is not to be missed. I love how Charlie's drums locks in on the rhythm as it speeds up and slows down too. Awesome.

ononothimagin

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#211 Sep 8, 2012
My favorite song on "Beggar's Banquet" is "Street Fighting Man." The lyrics are worth the price of admission but the song is almost terrifying in it intensity. The intro grabs you by the throat. That tinny guitar that sounds like it's being recorded through a cheap amplifier and Charlie comes in on the off-beat. At the end, a unknown instrument wails. I'm not sure what it is, maybe a sitar, as a piano in the distance plunks away. You almost have to sit down afterward.

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#212 Sep 8, 2012
ononothimagin wrote:
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Isn't that taken from the same concerts as "Get Your Ya-Ya's Out?"
I hadn't heard the studio version of "Midnight Rambler" for a long time. When I was a teenager, I bought "Hot Rocks," which had the live version of that song that appeared on "Get Your Ya-Ya's Out." About 10 years later, I bought "Let It Bleed" and heard the studio version for the first time. I'm torn between which one I love the most now. I love the live version because it was my introduction to it but Mick Taylor's slide guitar on the studio version is not to be missed. I love how Charlie's drums locks in on the rhythm as it speeds up and slows down too. Awesome.
"Get Yer Ya-Ya's Out" was recorded at MSG in November, 1969.

Somehow, MSG failed to capture them at their best.

The same thing happened with Elvis and Led Zeppelin at the garden.

I'm not sure why that is.

"Leed Guitars, TV Stars" is an amazing performance.

It is like the audience bootleg, "Liver Than You'll Ever Be"

Only "Leeds" is an outstanding quality soundboard.

I've collected a lot of Beatle and Stones imports in late 90's.

The little independent record stores are no longer in business.

Charlie Watts is still an excellent drummer.

ononothimagin

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#213 Sep 8, 2012
octo wrote:
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"Get Yer Ya-Ya's Out" was recorded at MSG in November, 1969.
Somehow, MSG failed to capture them at their best.
The same thing happened with Elvis and Led Zeppelin at the garden.
I'm not sure why that is.
"Leed Guitars, TV Stars" is an amazing performance.
It is like the audience bootleg, "Liver Than You'll Ever Be"
Only "Leeds" is an outstanding quality soundboard.
I've collected a lot of Beatle and Stones imports in late 90's.
The little independent record stores are no longer in business.
Charlie Watts is still an excellent drummer.
You're right, it is different. I just listened to "Street Fighting Man" at the Leeds concert you're talking about. I notice Charlie is playing it on the downbeat there. I'll have to check out the rest of it.

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#214 Sep 8, 2012
ononothimagin wrote:
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You're right, it is different. I just listened to "Street Fighting Man" at the Leeds concert you're talking about. I notice Charlie is playing it on the downbeat there. I'll have to check out the rest of it.
Wow, it is on You Tube.

It is got to be one of the best recorded live concerts ever taped.

But nothing has ever beaten Jerry Lee Lewis "Live At The Star Club"

It was recorded 4-5-64 and must've been a high grade German board.

The sound was unbelievable and Jerry Lee never lets up...

It is regarded as the best live recording ever made.

I actually found it as a used CD released on the Rhino label.

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#215 Sep 9, 2012
Bubba wrote:
<quoted text>Very cool link. It just goes tom prove what you said in you earlier post The Beatles were the best and the Stones were ok but could never top the Beatles. Not any group could do what the Beatles did in 7 years and have the impact they had. Thanks for sharing the link with us and it surely belongs on this Beatle forum.
I have to say The Beatles and The Stones were both great... but perhaps for different reasons, really.

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