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when will the media pick up on distortion of history

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Mithridates

Athens, Greece

#2 May 14, 2010
Just some years ago the politicians in Fyrom stated they where slavs and unrelated to the ancient macedonian region that is within Greece. The extremist government in Fyrom has not changed the derivative of the Identity of its citizens to "ancient Macedonians". You may quastion what is the purpose of that and what kind of government is running Fyrom today?

Zarko Trajanovski, columnist for the daily Dnevnik, argues that the government is conducting self-defeating, Bucephalic politics of brainwashing. Until yesterday we slept as Macedonian Slavs, today we wake up as ancient Macedonians...who knows how we will wake up tomorrow...

President Branko Crvenkovski, arch-enemy of VMRO leader and prime minister Nikola Gruevski, has also condemned the governments identity politics.
By using cheap populism, media manipulation, and abusing the patriotic feelings of the citizens, the current government has been conducting a systematic action, not for preservation or affirmation, but for re-defining our national code and identity, said President Crvenkovski in a recent debate.

Ljubomir Frckoski, presidential nominee of the opposition party, the Social Democratic Union of Macedonia (SDSM), has accused the government of looking towards Pella (the birthplace of Alexander the Great) instead of towards Brussels.
According to Frckoski, the government's agenda to force the de-Slovenisation of Macedonians will not succeed

"We are Slavs who came to this area in the sixth century (AD)... we are not descendants of the ancient Macedonians."

Kiro Gligorov,(first democraticaly elected president of FYROM, referring to the citizens of his country), Foreign Information Service Daily Report, Eastern Europe, February 26, 1992

"The idea that Alexander the Great was something that belonged to our history was in the minds of some extremist political groups"

Denko Maleski, first Minister of foreign affairs of FYROM (1991 to 1993) and ambassador to the United Nations from 1993 to 1997, in an interview to Greek TV channel Mega, November 2006

"We are not related to the northern Greeks who produced leaders like Philip and Alexander the Great. We are Slavs and our language is closely related to Bulgarian. There is some confusion about our identity."

Gyordan Veselinov,(Referring to the citizens of FYROM) Ottawa Citizen, February 24, 1999

"We do not claim to be descendants of Alexander the Great ...; Greece is Macedonia's second largest trading partner, and its number one investor. Instead of opting for war, we have chosen the mediation of the United Nations, with talks on the ambassadorial level under Mr. Vance and Mr. Nemitz... we are Slavs and we speak a Slav language."

Ljubica Achevska, FYROM Ambassador to the US, reply to a question about the ethnic origin of the people of FYROM, January 22, 1999

"We are Bulgarians, more Bulgarians than the Bulgarians in Bulgaria themselves."

Krste Misirkov, "On Macedonian Matters", Macedonian Review Editions ,(Sofia 1903)

"We belong to the same Slav people."

Slobodan Casule,(born 1945), Foreign Minister of FYROM, to the Foreign Minister of Bulgaria Solomon Pasi, in an interview to "Utrinski Vesnik" of Skopje on December 29,2001.
SOULrighton

Collierville, TN

#3 May 14, 2010
Mithridates wrote:
Just some years ago the politicians in Fyrom stated they where slavs and unrelated to the ancient macedonian region that is within Greece. The extremist government in Fyrom has not changed the derivative of the Identity of its citizens to "ancient Macedonians". You may quastion what is the purpose of that and what kind of government is running Fyrom today?
Zarko Trajanovski, columnist for the daily Dnevnik, argues that the government is conducting self-defeating, Bucephalic politics of brainwashing. Until yesterday we slept as Macedonian Slavs, today we wake up as ancient Macedonians...who knows how we will wake up tomorrow...
President Branko Crvenkovski, arch-enemy of VMRO leader and prime minister Nikola Gruevski, has also condemned the governments identity politics.
By using cheap populism, media manipulation, and abusing the patriotic feelings of the citizens, the current government has been conducting a systematic action, not for preservation or affirmation, but for re-defining our national code and identity, said President Crvenkovski in a recent debate.
Ljubomir Frckoski, presidential nominee of the opposition party, the Social Democratic Union of Macedonia (SDSM), has accused the government of looking towards Pella (the birthplace of Alexander the Great) instead of towards Brussels.
According to Frckoski, the government's agenda to force the de-Slovenisation of Macedonians will not succeed
"We are Slavs who came to this area in the sixth century (AD)... we are not descendants of the ancient Macedonians."
Kiro Gligorov,(first democraticaly elected president of FYROM, referring to the citizens of his country), Foreign Information Service Daily Report, Eastern Europe, February 26, 1992
"The idea that Alexander the Great was something that belonged to our history was in the minds of some extremist political groups"
Denko Maleski, first Minister of foreign affairs of FYROM (1991 to 1993) and ambassador to the United Nations from 1993 to 1997, in an interview to Greek TV channel Mega, November 2006
"We are not related to the northern Greeks who produced leaders like Philip and Alexander the Great. We are Slavs and our language is closely related to Bulgarian. There is some confusion about our identity."
Gyordan Veselinov,(Referring to the citizens of FYROM) Ottawa Citizen, February 24, 1999
"We do not claim to be descendants of Alexander the Great ...; Greece is Macedonia's second largest trading partner, and its number one investor. Instead of opting for war, we have chosen the mediation of the United Nations, with talks on the ambassadorial level under Mr. Vance and Mr. Nemitz... we are Slavs and we speak a Slav language."
Ljubica Achevska, FYROM Ambassador to the US, reply to a question about the ethnic origin of the people of FYROM, January 22, 1999
"We are Bulgarians, more Bulgarians than the Bulgarians in Bulgaria themselves."
Krste Misirkov, "On Macedonian Matters", Macedonian Review Editions ,(Sofia 1903)
"We belong to the same Slav people."
Slobodan Casule,(born 1945), Foreign Minister of FYROM, to the Foreign Minister of Bulgaria Solomon Pasi, in an interview to "Utrinski Vesnik" of Skopje on December 29,2001.
WELL informing post for truth.......there is soul out there........
Trajce

Chatswood, Australia

#4 May 14, 2010
Yes there is a distortion of history and we the real Macedonians are keen to sift through the historical information with Greece to get to the truth, but Greece does not want to! WHY?
Trajce

Chatswood, Australia

#5 May 14, 2010
And why not independently DNA test King Philip of Macedonia’s corps to see genetically what he was, but the Greek government says No, why does the Greek government refuse to do this, does it have something to hide ?!

Such a simple solution!
Trajce

Chatswood, Australia

#6 May 14, 2010
Greece has no credability left, its a country fool of liers!!!
TRAJCEdna

Collierville, TN

#7 May 14, 2010
Trajce wrote:
And why not independently DNA test King Philip of Macedonia’s corps to see genetically what he was, but the Greek government says No, why does the Greek government refuse to do this, does it have something to hide ?!
Such a simple solution!
YO SHOULD GO CHECK YOUR DNA TO SEE IF IT MATCHES YOUR SLAV ANCESTORS FROM THE NORTH WHO INVADED GREECES MACEDONIA AND FORCED CONVERTED GREEKS TO SLAVS and if it dont match the slav invadors from the north then unfortunately you one of them greeks who lost their greekidentity from forced conversions and became slavs........but dont worry many greeks managed to get back their GREEK identities from slavs and turks and still around to keep their macedonia GREEK..........

“ MAKEDONIA - HELLAS ”

Since: Mar 09

EDESSA PELLAS

#8 May 14, 2010
Trajce wrote:
And why not independently DNA test King Philip of Macedonia’s corps to see genetically what he was, but the Greek government says No, why does the Greek government refuse to do this, does it have something to hide ?!
Such a simple solution!
You are so homo ignoramus!!!
King Philippos' corpse??? Are you so idiot or just ignorant???
Ancient Macedonians used to burn their royan deads, and what is left after burning??? Ashes... Can you make a dna test to ashes???
You think Trajce with the real macedonian name (Was there any name Trajce in any macedonian tomb??? NOOOO)that any serious person can take this post in serious????
Makedonia was and will stay Greece for ever!
Megas Alexandos

Glenmore Park, Australia

#9 May 14, 2010
Trajce wrote:
And why not independently DNA test King Philip of Macedonia’s corps to see genetically what he was, but the Greek government says No, why does the Greek government refuse to do this, does it have something to hide ?!
Such a simple solution!
Just so you know, all bones exumed in Greece are tested and studied by many independent universities around the world. If there was the slighted question of thr origins of the said bones, it would be front page news.
Your problem isn't just that you are Macedonia nothing, it's more that you are very late, Bulgarian lead and Ottoman backed RRIVALS IN EUROPE! By brave for a split second and ask yourself,'is there any other country in europe who has no produced even one outstanding humanbeing since your creation in 1945?
Megas Alexandos

Glenmore Park, Australia

#10 May 14, 2010
Trajce wrote:
Yes there is a distortion of history and we the real Macedonians are keen to sift through the historical information with Greece to get to the truth, but Greece does not want to! WHY?
Every country in the world studies greek history. you can aswell but you will discover the truth and then what will you do?
The Lie Detector

Melbourne, Australia

#11 May 14, 2010
Megas Alexandos wrote:
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Every country in the world studies greek history. you can aswell but you will discover the truth and then what will you do?
WE HAVE NOTHING TO FEAR!!!!!!!!!!even the ancient greek historians said you are fakes....read on low life...

As Parmenides asserts, nothing comes out of nothing; everything has its beginning, its origin, its cause. Like all things, like all peoples, the ancient Greeks have their origins. These are largely Egyptian, it is clear; Herodotus notes that the Greek debt to Egypt is such common knowledge that he need not speak of it himself: "How it happened that Egyptians came to the Peloponnese, and what they did to make themselves kings in that part of Greece, has been chronicled by other writers; I will add nothing, therefore...." (Histories VI:55) Even acknowledging this sizable influence, Herodotus would have agreed with Hurwit that all the Greeks borrowed or stole became Greek WE HAVE NOTHING TO FEAR!!!!!!!!!!even the ancient greek historians said you are fakes....read on low life...
Scott

Melbourne, Australia

#12 May 14, 2010
The Lie Detector wrote:
<quoted text>WE HAVE NOTHING TO FEAR!!!!!!!!!!even the ancient greek historians said you are fakes....read on low life...
As Parmenides asserts, nothing comes out of nothing; everything has its beginning, its origin, its cause. Like all things, like all peoples, the ancient Greeks have their origins. These are largely Egyptian, it is clear; Herodotus notes that the Greek debt to Egypt is such common knowledge that he need not speak of it himself: "How it happened that Egyptians came to the Peloponnese, and what they did to make themselves kings in that part of Greece, has been chronicled by other writers; I will add nothing, therefore...." (Histories VI:55) Even acknowledging this sizable influence, Herodotus would have agreed with Hurwit that all the Greeks borrowed or stole became Greek WE HAVE NOTHING TO FEAR!!!!!!!!!!even the ancient greek historians said you are fakes....read on low life...
still makes you a slav....mmm Republic of Northern Macedonia????

is it music to your ears yet????
The Lie Detector

Melbourne, Australia

#13 May 14, 2010
Scott wrote:
<quoted text>
still makes you a slav....mmm Republic of Northern Macedonia????
is it music to your ears yet????
not quite, just remember you have lost this game that you started.....

OUR PASSPORTS ARE ACCEPTED AT EVERY PORT ....FORM THE REPUBLIC OF MACEDONIA...you on the other hand are not even proud of your rejected german and european spat at passport...GAYREEEEK....sad bu true...
Scott

Melbourne, Australia

#14 May 14, 2010
The Lie Detector wrote:
<quoted text>not quite, just remember you have lost this game that you started.....
OUR PASSPORTS ARE ACCEPTED AT EVERY PORT ....FORM THE REPUBLIC OF MACEDONIA...you on the other hand are not even proud of your rejected german and european spat at passport...GAYREEEEK....sad bu true...
http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe/05/1...
CANADEZOS

Toronto, Canada

#15 May 15, 2010
Trajce wrote:
And why not independently DNA test King Philip of Macedonia’s corps to see genetically what he was, but the Greek government says No, why does the Greek government refuse to do this, does it have something to hide ?!
Such a simple solution!
YUGOSLAVIAN RIDICULE=>REGARDLES WHAT'S TODAYS GREEK POULATION!IF THEY ARE CHINESE!OR TURKS!=>IT DOES NOT CHANGE THE OVERWELMING HISTORICAL FACT THAT THE ANCIENT MACEDONIANS WERE HELLENES!AND THAT YOU ARE BULGARIAN SLAVS!MACEDONIAN NOTHING!THE MACEDONIANS HELLENIC IDENTITY CAN NOT BE SLAVISIZED TO FULLFILL TITOS COMMIE DREAM!AT THE EXPENSE OF HELLENIC SOIL!MACEDONIAS HELLENIC IDENTITY WILL REMAIN HELLENIC 4EVER!BECAUSE IT IS WRITTEN ON STONE&NO YUGOSLAVIAN COMMUNIST SCUM WILL EVER ERASE IT!
Peter

Peterborough, Canada

#16 May 15, 2010
Hey Canadezos - keep up the good work - Zhto H Ellada !!!

Where does that Serial Propagandist "Risto" find all the time to write all his BS articles?

Nobody denies that he is a Makedonski of Bulgarian Heritage but not a Macedonian...

Is he a Prof at some University or something?
He is not, just a Oconnor drive propagandist that makes the Nazi Propaganda machine look like boy scouts...

Think about ths...

All the University Profs from all over the world
have stated that Alexander the Great is a Greek Macedonian King.
www.macedonia-evidence.org

Risto the disgruntled Greek and Gandeto whose real name is Griszlovski and others all say no.

Keep the eternal struggle of Hellenism alive Canadezos...good work...
Kentavros

Canterbury, Australia

#18 May 15, 2010
Trajce wrote:
Yes there is a distortion of history and we the real Macedonians are keen to sift through the historical information with Greece to get to the truth, but Greece does not want to! WHY?
Here is some historical information for ignorant brainwashed victims like you:
The Manchester Guardian (1901-1959); Jan 15, 1903;
THE MACEDONIAN* QUESTION.
To the Editor of the Manchester Guardian.
Sir,—I thank you sincerely for the appreciative com¬ments in your leading article of the 9th inst. Will you permit me to state that my main object in speaking out on this question was not to propound a policy, but to emphasise facts—facts which, though abundantly testified to by the correspondents of our leading news¬papers as well as by the representatives of Reuters and other agencies in the Near East, are habitually ignored by the champions of the so-railed Macedonian “nation”‘? Such a nation does not exist, save in the manifestoes of the Macedonian Committee. What does exist in Macedonia is a Slavonic population in the north, a mixture of Slavs and Greeks in the middle, pure Greeks in the south, and Mahometans sprinkled everywhere. Moreover, the Slavs of Northern aud Central Macedonia are homo¬geneous neither in blood nor in sentiment. They are partly Bulgarian and partly Servian, but they them¬selves do not always know which is which. In the days before 1885 it was Russians policy to call them all Bulgarians; after the breach between the Principality and the Empire it became Russia’s policy to call them all Servians. Lastly, there is also a comparatively smail proportion of Wallachs in the province, who however, are indissolubly hound up with the Greeks and for all political purposes are to be regarded as Greeks.
Now this holch-polch is labelled a “nation” by the apostles of the Bulgarian idea, who wish to absorb the rival races and, under the cover of the misleading name “Macedonian,- really to create &#9633; Bulgarian State destined sooner or later to join the Principality. This is the long and the short of the Macedonian question as a purely political problem and apart from administrative misrule and all tho concomitant evils—separable from a land governed by the ” Unspeakable ” I neither defend nor denounce programmes, policies, solutions, and the rest of the nostrums which go to make up the bulky volume of Macedonian political pharmacopoeia. I simply desire to establish historic truth, a thing which in these matters is exposed to at least as grave a peril as the “Macedonian nation” itself.
G. F. Abbott
Emmanuel College, Cambridge, January 12.
Olympos

Park Ridge, IL

#19 May 15, 2010
Kentavros wrote:
<quoted text>
Here is some historical information for ignorant brainwashed victims like you:
The Manchester Guardian (1901-1959); Jan 15, 1903;
THE MACEDONIAN* QUESTION.
To the Editor of the Manchester Guardian.
Sir,—I thank you sincerely for the appreciative com¬ments in your leading article of the 9th inst. Will you permit me to state that my main object in speaking out on this question was not to propound a policy, but to emphasise facts—facts which, though abundantly testified to by the correspondents of our leading news¬papers as well as by the representatives of Reuters and other agencies in the Near East, are habitually ignored by the champions of the so-railed Macedonian “nation”‘? Such a nation does not exist, save in the manifestoes of the Macedonian Committee. What does exist in Macedonia is a Slavonic population in the north, a mixture of Slavs and Greeks in the middle, pure Greeks in the south, and Mahometans sprinkled everywhere. Moreover, the Slavs of Northern aud Central Macedonia are homo¬geneous neither in blood nor in sentiment. They are partly Bulgarian and partly Servian, but they them¬selves do not always know which is which. In the days before 1885 it was Russians policy to call them all Bulgarians; after the breach between the Principality and the Empire it became Russia’s policy to call them all Servians. Lastly, there is also a comparatively smail proportion of Wallachs in the province, who however, are indissolubly hound up with the Greeks and for all political purposes are to be regarded as Greeks.
Now this holch-polch is labelled a “nation” by the apostles of the Bulgarian idea, who wish to absorb the rival races and, under the cover of the misleading name “Macedonian,- really to create &#9633; Bulgarian State destined sooner or later to join the Principality. This is the long and the short of the Macedonian question as a purely political problem and apart from administrative misrule and all tho concomitant evils—separable from a land governed by the ” Unspeakable ” I neither defend nor denounce programmes, policies, solutions, and the rest of the nostrums which go to make up the bulky volume of Macedonian political pharmacopoeia. I simply desire to establish historic truth, a thing which in these matters is exposed to at least as grave a peril as the “Macedonian nation” itself.
G. F. Abbott
Emmanuel College, Cambridge, January 12.
This is excellent!! However, keep in mind that our copyDonian neighbors don't want to be bothered with historical facts. Their polluted brains can't process them. Sad, but true!
Al Bundy

Bidwill, Australia

#20 May 15, 2010
Dont bother asking logical questions, it might get you killed!

Greeks dont like logical arguments, or the truth, just want to hide genocide of the Macedonians!!!

And they dont do a good job of that as well, napalm at mt gramos??? Love how they finally admit to that, at the same time forget their bullsh*t about returning of children refugees, remember those posts???
Trajce wrote:
Yes there is a distortion of history and we the real Macedonians are keen to sift through the historical information with Greece to get to the truth, but Greece does not want to! WHY?

“ MAKEDONIA - HELLAS ”

Since: Mar 09

EDESSA PELLAS

#21 May 15, 2010
Al Bundy wrote:
Dont bother asking logical questions, it might get you killed!
Greeks dont like logical arguments, or the truth, just want to hide genocide of the Macedonians!!!
And they dont do a good job of that as well, napalm at mt gramos??? Love how they finally admit to that, at the same time forget their bullsh*t about returning of children refugees, remember those posts???
<quoted text>
Your nick shows how advanced culture you have... Greece in 1947-1949 didn't have any airplanes that could throw napalms. Until 1944 Greece was ocuppied by the nazi Germany. RAF was helping the greek national army against the communist guerillas. And thank God, national army won.....
Al Bundy

Bidwill, Australia

#22 May 15, 2010
As your favorite son Kiro Gligorov once said, if there is a Northern Macedonia, there must be a Southern Macedonia
Scott wrote:
<quoted text>
still makes you a slav....mmm Republic of Northern Macedonia????
is it music to your ears yet????

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