USPS plans to close Dayton Post Offic...

USPS plans to close Dayton Post Office center, move work to Columbus

There are 104 comments on the Dayton Daily News story from Feb 23, 2012, titled USPS plans to close Dayton Post Office center, move work to Columbus. In it, Dayton Daily News reports that:

After months of uncertainty, the U.S. Postal Service announced today that it will close the processing plant in Dayton and relocate operations to Columbus, which is expected to slow mail delivery and impact more than 400 local jobs.

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Enzyte Bob

Columbus, OH

#1 Feb 23, 2012
Interesting that the work would move to Columbus instead of Cincinnati, which is staying open.
Curious

Bloomington, IN

#2 Feb 24, 2012
That's just great. NOW who's going to handle the regular mail? Not everyone pays their bills online. And they shouldn't HAVE to either. The damned government did this.

First they demand that postal workers deliver to little rural towns and then make it so the postal service can't raise the rates to cover the cost.

We won't even GO into union labor. Mad? You bet! I wonder whose town is next.
Curious

Bloomington, IN

#3 Feb 24, 2012
I also think this is part of a government plot to know what's in your personal bank account by trying to make it so you have no choice but to do transactions online. And maybe one day feel free to access it anytime their little heart's desire.
Go figure. Thanks to the so called "patriot act" they can access your phone calls, email. Just put two and two together.
Biggie BC

Cleveland, OH

#4 Feb 24, 2012
Mansfield mail processing is being sent to Cleveland too. This will be a real problem getting bills paid on time, given the hefty charges most companies levy for late payments.

If you are not paying electronically now, this may just drive you to it.

If you're not savvy enough to pay by computer, or mistrust them, convenience stores may start an electronic bill pay service, at a cost, of course.

The worse the mail service becomes the more people are driven to on line bill pay, then mail volume drops again and the cycle repeats itself.

I frankly don't know what the answer is, but affected communities are going to face a lot of inonvenience, and maybe even economic uncertainty, as companies may not want to locate outside of cities that have their own mail processing.
BenLurkin

Dayton, OH

#5 Feb 24, 2012
Chalk another mass job loss up to the "public service" union and excessive demands.

They still haven't learned they cannot force the public to use their over-priced, or poorly run, incompetent service to support unreasonable wage demands. If th emoney isn't there, it isn't there. It's like school teachers going out on strike for a raise after a levy has already failed.
imaginaryfriend

Sterling Heights, MI

#6 Feb 24, 2012
SHAME on the GOP in congress for the poison pill bill you put in to destroy our public postal system started by Benjamin Franklin. You did this as an anti-worker measure that will backfire on you and destroy you! The GOP demanded that the USPS pay for pensions for workers 75 years in advance to bankrupt them. Remember that the USPS delivers mail and packages EVERYWHERE. Private businesses do not have this capability.
rwb

Lima, OH

#7 Feb 24, 2012
This is a wet dream come true for Republicans, privatizing the postal service.

This has been coming for years.

What do you think will be the effect to the US citizens if (when) it goes this way? Do you really think you will still need your mail box outside your door? Sorry, NOT!

In the history of the USPS since its reorganization it has been a completely Self Funded. They are mandated to be revenue-neutral. In other words they were to break even and not make a profit. Well for many, many years they did make a profit. What happened to these profits? They went into the federal General Fund. In 06 was a major attack against the USPS by the President and Congress ordered USPS to set aside $5.5B dollars of their profits every year to fund several future decades of their retirement funds within 10 years. I don't know of any other corporation or government agency required to do this. Now Congress, of course, can't and won’t give them the roughly 70 billion dollars they owe them. Also, did you know that UPS & FedEx pays USPS to deliver more than 400 million of their ground packages every year in residential areas and on Saturdays. In turn, the USPS contracts with UPS and FedEx for air transportation to take advantage of their comprehensive air networks. USPS is the second largest employer in the US. They employ over 574,000 workers and operates over 218,000 vehicles. The USPS is the operator of the largest vehicle fleet in the world.

Also, finally, I believe there are Constitutional laws about the US postal service. So where are all those Constitutionalists about following the US constitution?

Lastly, if there are financial problems beyond this in the USPS system, maybe, just maybe they need to look at CEO's & VP's. They have 48 VP's making scads of bucks...and for what?

Below is a list of some of the higher USPS CEO wages for 2010.

http://www.postalreporter.com/pces-salary.htm
George Jefferson Hilliard

“Accept No Substitutes”

Since: Oct 11

Millbury, OH

#8 Feb 24, 2012
What a bunch of whiners! The USPS can disappear for all I care. I haven't even seen, much less used, a stamp in seven or eight years. I haven't seen the inside of a post office or bank during that time, either.
Get with the program...the horse and buggy, the transatlantic ocean liner and the rotary phone are dead. Soon the USPS and brick and mortar banks will join them.
George Jefferson Hilliard

“Accept No Substitutes”

Since: Oct 11

Millbury, OH

#9 Feb 24, 2012
rwb wrote:
This is a wet dream come true for Republicans, privatizing the postal service.
This has been coming for years.
What do you think will be the effect to the US citizens if (when) it goes this way? Do you really think you will still need your mail box outside your door? Sorry, NOT!
In the history of the USPS since its reorganization it has been a completely Self Funded. They are mandated to be revenue-neutral. In other words they were to break even and not make a profit. Well for many, many years they did make a profit. What happened to these profits? They went into the federal General Fund. In 06 was a major attack against the USPS by the President and Congress ordered USPS to set aside $5.5B dollars of their profits every year to fund several future decades of their retirement funds within 10 years. I don't know of any other corporation or government agency required to do this. Now Congress, of course, can't and won’t give them the roughly 70 billion dollars they owe them. Also, did you know that UPS & FedEx pays USPS to deliver more than 400 million of their ground packages every year in residential areas and on Saturdays. In turn, the USPS contracts with UPS and FedEx for air transportation to take advantage of their comprehensive air networks. USPS is the second largest employer in the US. They employ over 574,000 workers and operates over 218,000 vehicles. The USPS is the operator of the largest vehicle fleet in the world.
Also, finally, I believe there are Constitutional laws about the US postal service. So where are all those Constitutionalists about following the US constitution?
Lastly, if there are financial problems beyond this in the USPS system, maybe, just maybe they need to look at CEO's & VP's. They have 48 VP's making scads of bucks...and for what?
Below is a list of some of the higher USPS CEO wages for 2010.
http://www.postalreporter.com/pces-salary.htm
Another misread of the Constitution. Here is what it says:
"The Congress shall have Power To establish Post Offices and post Roads."
It doesn't say "required to establish" or "must establish." It says the power is available, not that it has to be used.
Goodbye, USPS.
rwb

Lima, OH

#10 Feb 24, 2012
George Jefferson Hilliard wrote:
What a bunch of whiners! The USPS can disappear for all I care. I haven't even seen, much less used, a stamp in seven or eight years. I haven't seen the inside of a post office or bank during that time, either.
Get with the program...the horse and buggy, the transatlantic ocean liner and the rotary phone are dead. Soon the USPS and brick and mortar banks will join them.
So you receive absolutely NO mail or packages? You mail absolutely NO mail or packages? WOW! that is good for you! So by not ever being in a bank for the last upteen years, you don't use any of their services either? That is a great feat! So 'you' don't need the services or USPS or banks, doesn't mean the need isn't there.
George Jefferson Hilliard

“Accept No Substitutes”

Since: Oct 11

Millbury, OH

#11 Feb 24, 2012
rwb wrote:
<quoted text>
So you receive absolutely NO mail or packages? You mail absolutely NO mail or packages? WOW! that is good for you! So by not ever being in a bank for the last upteen years, you don't use any of their services either? That is a great feat! So 'you' don't need the services or USPS or banks, doesn't mean the need isn't there.
I receive no bills in the mail. I pay nothing through the mail. Of course I use bank services...online, over the phone or through a retailer for credit (like buying a car.) As for packages, UPS and FedEx do a fine job.
rwb

Lima, OH

#12 Feb 24, 2012
39 USC § 101 - Postal policy
(a) The United States Postal Service shall be operated as a basic and fundamental service provided to the people by the Government of the United States, authorized by the Constitution, created by Act of Congress, and supported by the people. The Postal Service shall have as its basic function the obligation to provide postal services to bind the Nation together through the personal, educational, literary, and business correspondence of the people. It shall provide prompt, reliable, and efficient services to patrons in all areas and shall render postal services to all communities. The costs of establishing and maintaining the Postal Service shall not be apportioned to impair the overall value of such service to the people.
(b) The Postal Service shall provide a maximum degree of effective and regular postal services to rural areas, communities, and small towns where post offices are not self-sustaining. No small post office shall be closed solely for operating at a deficit, it being the specific intent of the Congress that effective postal services be insured to residents of both urban and rural communities.
(c) As an employer, the Postal Service shall achieve and maintain compensation for its officers and employees comparable to the rates and types of compensation paid in the private sector of the economy of the United States. It shall place particular emphasis upon opportunities for career advancements of all officers and employees and the achievement of worthwhile and satisfying careers in the service of the United States.
(d) Postal rates shall be established to apportion the costs of all postal operations to all users of the mail on a fair and equitable basis.
(e) In determining all policies for postal services, the Postal Service shall give the highest consideration to the requirement for the most expeditious collection, transportation, and delivery of important letter mail.
(f) In selecting modes of transportation, the Postal Service shall give highest consideration to the prompt and economical delivery of all mail. Modern methods of transporting mail by containerization and programs designed to achieve overnight transportation to the destination of important letter mail to all parts of the Nation shall be a primary goal of postal operations.
(g) In planning and building new postal facilities, the Postal Service shall emphasize the need for facilities and equipment designed to create desirable working conditions for its officers and employees, a maximum degree of convenience for efficient postal services, proper access to existing and future air and surface transportation facilities, and control of costs to the Postal Service.

The post office is controlled by Congress, yet they are not funded by the US government.

Now you do realize, like I stated earlier through an agreement between USPS, FedEx & UPS they each facilitate each others services. UPS & FedEx pays USPS to deliver a large portion of their residential deliveries. Now with me saying this, it does not mean a person can take a UPS or FedEx package to the post office, or call the post office for any info on UPS or FedEx. This is only a mutual agreement of transporting packages primarily. Have you done a price comparison of FedEx, UPS and USPS lately? I mean truly apples to apples comparison?
George Jefferson Hilliard

“Accept No Substitutes”

Since: Oct 11

Millbury, OH

#13 Feb 24, 2012
Then US Code is not the US Constitution.
Also, the private shippers would adjust to a new market paradigm. I doubt if there would be a significant increase in prices or decrease in services...these are two of the most efficient customer service operations on Earth.
BenLurkin

Dayton, OH

#14 Feb 24, 2012
Private enterprize does everything better than public service unions.
I am sick to death of the unions screaming only they can do do the job. It's crap. Unions are the problem.
George Jefferson Hilliard

“Accept No Substitutes”

Since: Oct 11

Millbury, OH

#15 Feb 24, 2012
BenLurkin wrote:
Private enterprize does everything better than public service unions.
I am sick to death of the unions screaming only they can do do the job. It's crap. Unions are the problem.
Spot on.
JbAlcantara

AOL

#16 Feb 24, 2012
Curious wrote:
That's just great. NOW who's going to handle the regular mail? Not everyone pays their bills online. And they shouldn't HAVE to either. The damned government did this.
First they demand that postal workers deliver to little rural towns and then make it so the postal service can't raise the rates to cover the cost.
We won't even GO into union labor. Mad? You bet! I wonder whose town is next.
You, the citizenry, did this. When you hired UPS or FEDEX to deliver your feces you bancrupted the USPS. YOU SHOULD HAVE PURCHASED USPS services! Instead you got brainwashed by FEdex commercials on speed and cheap when USPS does the same and far more reaching that those as*hole delivery companies that now will hike their asking prices (agreed monopoly). Stupid bunhole! You should have embraced the government service and watch impacting unemployment in the heart of the US!
BenLurkin

Dayton, OH

#18 Feb 24, 2012
JbAlcantara wrote:
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You, the citizenry, did this. When you hired UPS or FEDEX to deliver your feces you bancrupted the USPS. YOU SHOULD HAVE PURCHASED USPS services! Instead you got brainwashed by FEdex commercials on speed and cheap when USPS does the same and far more reaching that those as*hole delivery companies that now will hike their asking prices (agreed monopoly). Stupid bunhole! You should have embraced the government service and watch impacting unemployment in the heart of the US!
Oh boohoo. We the public hired UPS and FEDEX because they provided a better product the union bloated post office would not provide. They still do. I will be thrilled to be finished with the post office. The "service" they provide is nearly worthless.
With all of the technological advances the PO's days are numbered anyway.
Bills? On line billing and banking.
Letters? E-mail has already replaced that.
Sale flyers? Good riddance.
Catalogues? Magazines? Can you say Kindle Fire?
In five years the post office and postal workers will be obsolete. You letter carriers had better look at retraining beginning now.
Don't say you weren't warned.
Enzyte Bob

Columbus, OH

#19 Feb 24, 2012
BenLurkin wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh boohoo. We the public hired UPS and FEDEX because they provided a better product the union bloated post office would not provide. They still do. I will be thrilled to be finished with the post office. The "service" they provide is nearly worthless.
With all of the technological advances the PO's days are numbered anyway.
It's easy to bash the government, but our mailman is great. In fact, we used to have one UPS guy who was a real nutcase. I'm serious - the guy had to be mental. The USPS guys have been good.

As residential customers, you may not see this but as a business customer I use USPS all the time. Never had a problem with them, and they're usually cheaper than the rest.
JbAlcantara

AOL

#20 Feb 24, 2012
BenLurkin wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh boohoo. We the public hired UPS and FEDEX because they provided a better product the union bloated post office would not provide. They still do. I will be thrilled to be finished with the post office. The "service" they provide is nearly worthless.
With all of the technological advances the PO's days are numbered anyway.
Bills? On line billing and banking.
Letters? E-mail has already replaced that.
Sale flyers? Good riddance.
Catalogues? Magazines? Can you say Kindle Fire?
In five years the post office and postal workers will be obsolete. You letter carriers had better look at retraining beginning now.
Don't say you weren't warned.
Spewing feces! The USPS provides the same services (on time, live tracking, insurance, and worldwide access)!

Letters, envelopes, boxes and other cargos are more resistance to viruses, spams, identity theft, trojan horses and the other diseases that is nearly killing the citizenry. Heck, large financial companies are always leaking your personal info to the bad guys.

You are pushing commerce and daily communication into a VERY RISKY DOMAIN INFESTED WITH THIEVES, IMPERSONATORS, and emulators that will bancrupt you!

With USPS such garbage never happened to our commerce or communication BUT SHITHOLES LIKE YOU ALWAYS PUSHING CRAP THEY REFUSE TO ACKNOWLEDGE!
Enzyte Bob

Columbus, OH

#21 Feb 24, 2012
JbAlcantara wrote:
<quoted text>
Spewing feces! The USPS provides the same services (on time, live tracking, insurance, and worldwide access)!
Letters, envelopes, boxes and other cargos are more resistance to viruses, spams, identity theft, trojan horses and the other diseases that is nearly killing the citizenry. Heck, large financial companies are always leaking your personal info to the bad guys.
You are pushing commerce and daily communication into a VERY RISKY DOMAIN INFESTED WITH THIEVES, IMPERSONATORS, and emulators that will bancrupt you!
With USPS such garbage never happened to our commerce or communication BUT SHITHOLES LIKE YOU ALWAYS PUSHING CRAP THEY REFUSE TO ACKNOWLEDGE!
The fact that you can send a letter across country for a 44 cents is nothing short of amazing. The fact that you can send a package for a couple of bucks is equally amazing.

Most correspondence doesn't have to be somewhere overnight.

People also don't realize that hand deliver is the only way to send and receive a lot of official correspondence. Summons and other legal documents often have to be sent through certified mail. Having to hand deliver these documents would be costly and far more inefficent.

I agree that email and scanning has replaced mail delivery for many applications. But for all the talk about the Postal Service dying off, mail deliveries are only down 25% since 2006. When the economy picks up, the mail will pick back up again.

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