Public works spending may revive WNC ...

Public works spending may revive WNC again

There are 29 comments on the Asheville Citizen-Times story from Jan 25, 2009, titled Public works spending may revive WNC again. In it, Asheville Citizen-Times reports that:

Clarke Morrison * [email protected] * published January 25, 2009 12:15 am President Barack Obama's plan to revive the economy with sweeping public works projects will find familiar ground in Western ...

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Bpr

Maxton, NC

#1 Jan 25, 2009
There is zero evidence that the new deal got us out of the GD. The GD did not end until 1945-1946. It is generally accepted by most economists that WW2 was the reason it ended. Only an avid Obama supporter would write such a biased article. In the future the writer should cite objective sources, I would not call a new deal supporter objective.
Newcommer

Princeton Junction, NJ

#2 Jan 25, 2009
Now thats a switch from the land of the sky, road building. Dont you know the envrionmentalist will lay down in front of the bulldozers. The old "New Deal" extended the recession into a depression that lasted much longer that it should.
Jackson Girl

Dillon, SC

#3 Jan 25, 2009
Every time I drive under the Blue Ridge Parkway bridge at Balsam Gap I am reminded of all Franklin Delano Roosevelt did to improve these mountains and put people back to work. We must use bold thinking to do the same thing again with President Obama's leadership.
Badger

United States

#4 Jan 25, 2009
How about fixing the water mains around A'ville instead of building more roads? And how about having Amtrak come through here instead of encouraging more gridlock on the roads?
Ronald Frobnitz

Dillon, SC

#5 Jan 25, 2009
Right on, Jax Girl. Look at that beautiful picture of the bridge at Buck Creek Gap on page one of this morning's paper. It is a reminder of how we can make good things happen again.
nctxnc

Inman, SC

#6 Jan 25, 2009
Badger wrote:
How about fixing the water mains around A'ville instead of building more roads? And how about having Amtrak come through here instead of encouraging more gridlock on the roads?
I agree about fixing the water mains. As for Amtrak, they won't come to a small town like Asheville, not enough riders.
hauntedheadnc

Greer, SC

#7 Jan 25, 2009
nctxnc wrote:
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I agree about fixing the water mains. As for Amtrak, they won't come to a small town like Asheville, not enough riders.
Asheville is the number one most-requested destination that Amtrak doesn't serve.
ashevillenatives on

Canton, NC

#8 Jan 25, 2009
The public works projects as proposed by President Obama take several years to plan and most of these types of projects have to overcome public resistance.

The two Asheville projects that are "shovel ready" are to finish the existing project at Pack Square/Place and the parking deck just off Patton Avenue.

The project on Pack Square is a questionable project due to the lack of performance to date and the demonstrated lack of leadership since its inception.

Recently Chairman Gantt made a published statement to the Asheville Citizen Times that the parking deck should not go forward but rather the money would be better used to keep all county employees employed. This is a good project and will support tourism, one of our remaining major industries.

No one is discussing the overriding question of who will do the work. Has anyone looked at the aging nature of the population in Buncombe, Henderson and Haywood counties? According to published demographics these are three of the "oldest" average aged counties in NC.

Will we employ an army of illegal aliens who wire transfer their paychecks to their relatives out of the country to complete the work on these projects?

Questions need to be answered up front not later when these project are mired in disaster requiring more and more funding to work them through to completion.

Since: Feb 07

Asheville, NC

#9 Jan 25, 2009
The government cannot create jobs.
http://timpeck.blogspot.com/2009/01/make-work...

Since: Feb 07

Asheville, NC

#10 Jan 25, 2009
American Recovery and Reinvestment Act
http://appropriations.house.gov/pdf/RecoveryR...

Here are just some of the examples of what Obama considers "economic stimulus":

-$3.836 billion for rural water and waste grant and loan programs

-$6.2 billion to help low-income families reduce their energy costs by weatherizing their homes and make our country more energy efficient

-$400 million to help state and local governments purchase efficient alternative fuel vehicles to reduce fuel costs and carbon emissions

-$6 billion for broadband and wireless services in underserved areas

-$650 million to continue the coupon program to enable American households to convert from analog television transmission to digital transmission

-$400 million to replace the 30 year old Social Security Administration's National Computer Center to meet growing needs for processing retirement and disability claims and records storage

-$3.1 billion for infrastructure projects on federal lands including improvements to visitor facilities, road and trail restoration, preservation of buildings of cultural and historic importance, rehabilitation of abandoned mines and oil fields, and environmental cleanup projects

-$400 million for ready-to-go habitat restoration projects

-$850 million for hazardous fuels removal and other efforts to prevent wildfires on public lands

-$1 billion for 21st century classrooms, including computer and science labs and teacher technology training

-$66 million for formula grants to states to provide services to homeless children including meals and transportation when high unemployment and home foreclosures have created an influx of homeless kids

-$2 billion to provide child care services for an additional 300,000 children in low-income families while their parents go to work

-$30.3 billion to extend health insurance coverage to the unemployed, extending the period of COBRA coverage for older and tenured workers beyond the 18 months provided under current law

-$500 million to rehabilitate and improve energy efficiency at some of the over 42,000 housing units maintained by Native American housing programs

-$1 billion to help low-income families pay for home heating and cooling at a time of rising energy costs
Granny

United States

#11 Jan 25, 2009
If we have learned anything from the past, it must be that throwing money into projects with no planning solves nothing, especially good paying jobs with benefits. People want to work, but I don't think anyone, especially young men, wants to go to a camp of 200 men and dig ditches, cut trees, etc. It's a different world today. Why not lend this money to companies to build plants to produce, farmers to grow food, etc. A project, by its' very name, is transient. And what can young women do?
Just the facts Mmam

Auburn, AL

#12 Jan 25, 2009
Our national parks need money, for maintenance and expansion.

We need a medical school in WNC to create more doctors, dentist, pharmacist, nurses and medical technicians. A Biotech and Genomic college is the future, this industry will create thousands of new jobs. More doctors equals more competition and lower prices.

We need more alternative energy projects in WNC. Like wind and solar, to lower our energy spending and dependance on middle east oil. Natural gas or other alternative fuel for city & school buses would save money and clean the air. Biofuels are a bad idea, they pollute the air and use up too much land that should go towards food production not fuel production. Battery powered vehicles are also a bad idea, they require very expensive batteries and batteries are a big source of pollution during manufacturing and disposal.

We need an alternative energy college in WNC to train people for these new energy jobs.

We don't need more sidewalks and government buildings, and other garbage like that. Sewer lines and roads improvements have their own funding.

Get serious people, spend wisely, invest in long term projects that will keep on giving. The Blue Ridge Parkway, Great Smoky mountain Park, Dams, are a few good examples of projects that has been a good investment.
Ronald Frobnitz

Dillon, SC

#13 Jan 25, 2009
Just the facts Mmam wrote:
Our national parks need money, for maintenance and expansion.
We need a medical school in WNC to create more doctors, dentist, pharmacist, nurses and medical technicians. A Biotech and Genomic college is the future, this industry will create thousands of new jobs. More doctors equals more competition and lower prices.
We need more alternative energy projects in WNC. Like wind and solar, to lower our energy spending and dependance on middle east oil. Natural gas or other alternative fuel for city & school buses would save money and clean the air. Biofuels are a bad idea, they pollute the air and use up too much land that should go towards food production not fuel production. Battery powered vehicles are also a bad idea, they require very expensive batteries and batteries are a big source of pollution during manufacturing and disposal.
We need an alternative energy college in WNC to train people for these new energy jobs.
We don't need more sidewalks and government buildings, and other garbage like that. Sewer lines and roads improvements have their own funding.
Get serious people, spend wisely, invest in long term projects that will keep on giving. The Blue Ridge Parkway, Great Smoky mountain Park, Dams, are a few good examples of projects that has been a good investment.
You have made several good points here.
Kaibab

Columbus, NC

#14 Jan 25, 2009
The government can create direction for moving us towards job creation with the proper stimulus. In reviewing the proposed economic stimulus package, there are tens of billions of dollars in proposed spending that have little to offer for return on investment on taxpayer dollars. There is very little green and clean renewable automobile energy technology in the next decade that will produce a better business case than our current practices. The answer lies in our ability to manipulate our current supplies to greater efficiencies until we can convert to proven green energy.

In 2 months, BMW start selling a new generation diesel engines ($25,500) with a combined consumption figure of 64.2mpg and a CO2 emissions figure of 118g/km. The BMW 116d even trumps the current 2008 World Green Car of the Year, the BMW 118d. The 1,995cc powerplant with its 260Nm of torque from 1,750rpm ensures it is capable of a top speed of 125mph. Both models go on sale in the UK, but will not be sold in the US.

THE NEW GENERATION DIESELS BEAT OUT EVERY GREEN VEHICLE ON THE ROAD AND EVEN POLLUTE LESS THAN ANY HYBRID IN PRODUCTION!

What if we...
Use part of the stimulus package for a short term increased tax rebate for consumers to buy one of these new generation diesel green cars. Give tax breaks to US auto plants to convert made in this country engine lines to new diesel engines. Foreign manufacturers would be encouraged to start-up engines lines in the states. Tax breaks for energy producers to convert refineries to low sulfur diesel fuel. This will drive down the price of diesel so that we are not paying more for diesel than gas like the rest of the world.

First impact, Hugo Chavez goes bankrupt and OPEC starts reeling! The Mercedes Benz CEO has stated that if this country had 40% of our cars on the new diesel engines, we would save $700 billion a year in money paid to OPEC. This plan will put tax paying citizens to work in good middle class jobs who will in turn buy houses, save energy, severely reduce the energy strangle hold from foreign nations... and this country starts its uphill climb out of this fiasco that we are in.

It is a huge return on investment of taxpayer dollars compared to…
$825 billion divided by 4 million Obama new jobs =$206250 taxpayer per new job. The diesel engine plan as part of the stimulus package would yield a high rate of return, can create over a million middle class jobs, create energy security for our country, reduces our foreign trade debt, and undermines our enemy regimes.

WNC has closed plants right now that could convert to mfg these engines!

“Have chainsaw, will travel ”

Since: Nov 08

Marion, NC

#15 Jan 25, 2009
Bpr wrote:
There is zero evidence that the new deal got us out of the GD. The GD did not end until 1945-1946. It is generally accepted by most economists that WW2 was the reason it ended. Only an avid Obama supporter would write such a biased article. In the future the writer should cite objective sources, I would not call a new deal supporter objective.
Not true, just another re-bub-lican lie.Those grapes are so, so, sour. Pitch in do your part to get America back on track and stop whining and lying.

Since: Feb 07

Asheville, NC

#16 Jan 25, 2009
Bpr wrote:
It is generally accepted by most economists that WW2 was the reason it ended.
Quite correct. It was the rolling back of some failures of the interventionist New Deal -- some of which were ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court -- and the re-employment of returning overseas troops that re-energized the economy.

The government caused, worsened and prolonged the Great Depression. This is exactly where we are headed once again.
alekas

Wilkesboro, NC

#17 Jan 25, 2009
what a huge pantload of left wing ridiculousness. Public works spending NEVER leads to prosperity; it just leads to bigger govt. Prosperity and job creation come from the private sector, and the best means of fostering that is tax cuts, whether that is corporate tax rates, individual rates, or cap gains rates.

The contention that The New Deal ended the Depression is flat wrong. It prolonged the Depression and those involved in the spending knew it.

As it is, the stimulus package includes things like computers for teachers, which will stimulate nothing. It is allowing for states that have mismanaged their finances to belly up to the federal trough so that they can dig a little deeper. Only in govt is the concept of fiscal discipline a non-starter.

and no, Skip, that WW2 ended the Depression rather than FDRs spending orgy is not a Repub lie, it is cold hard reality. Look at unemployment rates and see how long after the spree began that they stayed above 15 or 20%. And most of us already pitch in through what is deducted from our checks, through the checks we write quarterly, and from spending we do with vendors and in hte community.
Granny

Jonas Ridge, NC

#19 Jan 25, 2009
Wonderful, Mr./Ms. Kaibab!!! Wish you were hundreds-strong in D.C. I don't believe those nice people up there are thinking straight. Whenever I see a boarded up plant, I think how great it would be to see our area (and country) booming again.

Since: Feb 08

Greer, SC

#20 Jan 25, 2009
Skip Roth wrote:
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Not true, just another re-bub-lican lie.Those grapes are so, so, sour. Pitch in do your part to get America back on track and stop whining and lying.
Republican lie ??????

http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php...
Jackson County

United States

#21 Jan 25, 2009
Jackson Girl wrote:
Every time I drive under the Blue Ridge Parkway bridge at Balsam Gap I am reminded of all Franklin Delano Roosevelt did to improve these mountains and put people back to work. We must use bold thinking to do the same thing again with President Obama's leadership.
You are right - we seem to think a lot alike and live in the same neck of the woods. The article mentions the National Youth Administration - my mother worked with this program in Watauga County - it helped her enormously.

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