Lib at Large: Reuniting Grateful Dead...

Lib at Large: Reuniting Grateful Dead members, fans happy about...

There are 13 comments on the Marin Independent Journal story from Feb 12, 2009, titled Lib at Large: Reuniting Grateful Dead members, fans happy about.... In it, Marin Independent Journal reports that:

Bill Kreutzmann, the drummer for the Grateful Dead, is one happy man. He has a new band, a power trio called BK3 that's making its San Francisco debut tonight at the Independent, an intimate nightclub in the ...

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Johnny R

United States

#1 Feb 12, 2009
After I get Obama's tax-saving stimulus of $13 a week, heck, I'll easily be able to save up to afford front row seats anytime, any venue.
Dude

Sausalito, CA

#2 Feb 12, 2009
They cant even do covers of their own songs.
GreatWavesDotOrg

Louisville, CO

#3 Feb 15, 2009
Billy, love your drumming bud. If I could be one drummer, I'd wanna be you in 67-74, incredible some the stuff you pulled off, particularly during the single drummer period. Dick's Pick's 12 is one of my absolute favorites for this reason. You all have your hearts in the right place, but the truth, while inconvenient, is that you really should have gotten educated a bit better, like most voters, about candidates shut out of the debates for the most part, and out of the media, the candidate you should have had 2 shows for was Ron Paul, MD, Dem. Rep. of TX. His recent 'grilling' as it was labeled of Bernake was spot on, its on youtube using that word. I hope you all feel the urgency of the moment, humanity is facing the Great Waves of Change: catastrophic climate change, violent weather, which has greatly affected food production globally and depleted food stocks, also resource depletion (peak oil and natural gas production primarily), growing political and economic instability and the great risk of further competition, conflict, and war that this will likely produce. People must turn to face the growing series of tsunami sized waves that the Great Waves represent, the financial bubble popping was just the initial white caps, unfortunately. We are all facing a situation together that will face us all equally, rich or poor, famous or elite. This is a call for human unity, environmental conservation and even rescue, and greater human cooperation than we've ever seen before. This is a very high stakes situation, how can this be accomplished? This has called a New Message for Humanity into the World, for the greater aspects of human nature must now be brought to bear, and the darker aspects of humanity must now be minimized, contained, and eliminated.
The message produced by this great Calling in the world is a direct response to this perilous situation: GreatWavesOfChangeDotOrg or NewMessageDotOrg/speaks talks about this. check them out, download and consider their messages, they're nonprofit, and consider them, with an open heart and mind, for yourself, and see what response this New Message for Humanity generates within you. It is time to begin again, facing a New World such as this.
Pete Rosato

Denver, CO

#4 Feb 16, 2009
It would be much easier to buy the idea that Bill Kreutzman and The Dead are sympathetic to the fans and even remotely bothered by the "secondary ticket" market, not too mention the "egalitarian" nature of the band if they werent offerring the best seats in the house in various VIP packages, If you have 475 dollars to spend you can buy the "Golden Road to Unlimite Devotion" package or for the penny pinching VIP there is the High Time" package priced at 375 dollars. For the average schmoe there is the modestly priced "Workingman's Dead package coming in at a mere 275 dollars per ticket, but hey it comes with a room and one of the worst seats in the house. I think Weir and the boys have been studying the Scientology method of advancemnet within the church. Come on fans...buy your way to the top...that is how its done these days. A simple idea, employed by Bruce Springsteen for sevearl tours now, is not selling reserved tickest on the floor and offerring stricter ticket limits. Both of these tactics hurt the "secondary market" and increase the actual fan's chance of getting a ticket. BK...walk the walk or complete the sellout!
IndyTodd

Peoria, IL

#5 Feb 16, 2009
"In addition to the new band and the new Dead tour, Kreutzmann has a new girlfriend ..."

Well, that little interesting fact explains why one band member wants higher prices. Bill had a new wife (remember her?... gray hair onstage at many shows 2002-2004...Bill talked about his "new lease on life" with her during interviews at the time...) during the last big run of Dead activity. I'm guessing he's gotten a new divorce settlement sometime in the interim. That would certainly explain why Bill the Drummer is more than happy to raise ticket prices and probably needs a payday.

Beyond that little thing that caught my eye in this article, I find the Dead comparing themselves to the Eagles and other bands of that fame to be a little funny. They seem to conveniently forget Jerry Garcia won't be there. Think the Eagles could get the same money without Don Henley, Stones without Jagger, Who without Townshend, etc? Plus, they are also conveniently forgetting the fact that probably none of these bands they are comparing themselves to rely on fans hitting several shows as the basis of their touring business model. Of course, no mention of the most comparable touring band (Phish) that has decided to go a different direction in the way they treat their fans. It will be interesting to see how demand is for Dead shows at $95 if they continue to tour on a regular basis. This is the first tour in five years and many thoughts swirling that it may be the last chance. Both of those things have some people spending more than they really feel they should on this tour. Will they be able to sustain that if they do 30 or 40 shows a year for the next three or four years? We will see if they do decide to make this a yearly venture.

This article and the Dead mgmnt comments also seem to stretch the truth on how many lower priced tix are available at most venues. Sure, for a shed show like Shoreline they can't scale the lawn the same as other shows so there are significant numbers of cheaper seats but for most of them (Chicago, NYC, Philly, etc.) there are VERY FEW tix that aren't $95. Most (or in the case of some shows all) of these seats are behind the stage. This isn't just the best, premier, etc. seats at $95. It's almost every freakin' seat at many of these venues. The business manager has to be aware of this but is obviously spinning the truth.
Get over it

Sacramento, CA

#6 Feb 25, 2009
It is simple, pay the price or don't. Be it a $4.00 pint of good beer, a $8.00 Margarita, or a $100.00 premium Dead ticket. like it or not prices are going up, especially without corporate sponsorship. Alas I have many stubs from what seems bargain prices, but again back then it was easier for facilities & others to make money - The Dead are nice enough to put themselves out there - they do deserve to make some money, and as usuall I am sure there are a lot of folks surrounding them that could use a little boost. What makes me sad are the "fans" willing to pay the big scalping bucks for some egotistical reasons because they can - they were probably the "yuppie" fans that turned up in the '80's, started the whole $50.00 boutique tye-dye thing.... I could go on on that one, for me the cheap seat will work fine, I know what the band looks like - they got the sound thing down pretty good, I prefer a spot with a little more leg room! In the mean time, Keep Smilin'!!
crizzyfingers

Englishtown, NJ

#7 Feb 26, 2009
This whole thing makes me SICK. What a bunch of pathetic scumbags, just wait till I bring in the tomatoes and start launching them from the cheap seats. Just wait, this Dead tour is going to suck, what a bunch of SELLOUTS. They "keep it real" for 40 years and then the LAST TOUR they kick all their devoted fans right in the balls. Did they need the money? NO. They're acting like they're doing us a favor not having corporate sponsors, when THERE NEVER WAS A CORPORATE SPONSOR AT A PHIL OR DEAD SHOW EVER TO BEGIN WITH. I feel extreme hatred for the band at this point. Billy K is right, Jerry would be rolling in his grave. They're going to suck, just like they did at Penn State, no matter how much they practice. This shit is a joke, I hope more people speak up publicly because the band needs to know what losers they really have turned into. Thanks Bobby. So just because other bands take advantage of the market doesn't mean they have to, especially when its all over. This shit really hurts me as a person. Just remember, Phish would never do this to us, thats why tickets are $49.50 to the Hampton comeback shows, they could EASILY charge $250 a ticket face value. What a bunch of losers, that girl on youtube was beyond right.
Caco

Zionhill, PA

#8 Mar 7, 2009
No, Get over it, It's not that simple. It's greed, and it's got where are right now.
bummed after 28 years

Tarrytown, NY

#9 Apr 18, 2009
While I wouldn't go quite as far as Crizzyfingers, I am still pissed off at Grateful Dead productions and the band.
I think it's pathetic the excuses given by Tim Jorstad. First, stop comparing the Dead to any other band. As a fan I've always known that there was no comparison, and frankly you can't place a value on going to see this music being performed by these people. Just because someone else is exploiting their fans gives GD productions NO reason to do so.
Billy was right, Jerry would be very upset about what is going on. While I hate Ticketmaster (yes, I hate them), I like how Jorstad shifts some of the blame to them. Don't try to sugrar coat the scenario by telling us how lucky we are that ticketmaster didn't get all the tickets to scalp. The bottom line is this: Grateful Dead productions and the band are and have been a party to trying to take advantage of our "not fade away" mentality and squeeze that little extra out of our wallets. Then they try to make it up by playing these three free shows in NYC....they knew they fucked up!
Having worked in "the biz", here's what you do to save a little money....less lights (which cuts down on crew), crew doesn't stay in same hotels as band, band doesn't stay in five star hotels, etc, etc. Save on production costs and pass them on to the fan. In case GD productions wasn't aware, times are hard for a lot of people out there. Make the music first, and make it affordable.
I've been to over a hundred Dead shows, plus spin off groups, bought all the albums (some on vinyl, cassette and CD) plus Dicks Picks, etc., etc. I will never be able to listen to this music again without feeling they finally sold us out. Furthermore, I will never pay to see anything Grateful Dead related again.
Indeed, Jerry would be furious about this.
Skippy

Asheville, NC

#10 Apr 18, 2009
Old Hippies wearing Depends, sounds like a good time to me.
mike

Ventura, CA

#11 May 20, 2009
There are a lot of people out there who seem to think that because they, for some reason, don't want to make money that everybody else feels the same way. What's wrong with them making money? They've worked their asses off for 45 years, have contributed in countless ways to society, and are more than entitled to cash in a bit. They clearly could have made a LOT more money by taking corporate sponsorships, but they didn't.
By the way, lawn tickets for the Shoreline shows were only $35, which is more than reasonable. Seems like that should have been mentioned in the article.
Kelly

San Rafael, CA

#12 Jun 7, 2010
crizzyfingers wrote:
This whole thing makes me SICK. What a bunch of pathetic scumbags, just wait till I bring in the tomatoes and start launching them from the cheap seats. Just wait, this Dead tour is going to suck, what a bunch of SELLOUTS. They "keep it real" for 40 years and then the LAST TOUR they kick all their devoted fans right in the balls. Did they need the money? NO. They're acting like they're doing us a favor not having corporate sponsors, when THERE NEVER WAS A CORPORATE SPONSOR AT A PHIL OR DEAD SHOW EVER TO BEGIN WITH. I feel extreme hatred for the band at this point. Billy K is right, Jerry would be rolling in his grave. They're going to suck, just like they did at Penn State, no matter how much they practice. This shit is a joke, I hope more people speak up publicly because the band needs to know what losers they really have turned into. Thanks Bobby. So just because other bands take advantage of the market doesn't mean they have to, especially when its all over. This shit really hurts me as a person. Just remember, Phish would never do this to us, thats why tickets are $49.50 to the Hampton comeback shows, they could EASILY charge $250 a ticket face value. What a bunch of losers, that girl on youtube was beyond right.

This "kid" should watch who he calls losers since he happens to be the biggest one out there!!! He used one of my best friends for 7 months until he got his selfish situation running again. Not only is this little biotch crazy/crizzy, but he stole money from my friend and refuses to pay her back. Matter of fact, she told me that this selfish prick, who I know as Junior, had his own Mother send her hard earned $$$ and it didn't even begin to cover his debt. Changed his phone # & clearly is a scumbag who preys on those who have true hearts. Don't complain about the cost of shows since your Mom & those you steal from pay your way!! We all look forward to running into you Junior. You have always been a piece of work!! Stealing from women who work hard is where everyone draws the line.
Anonymous

Montgomery, AL

#13 Jun 10, 2010
The Grateful Dead are on the worst bands I've ever had the displeasure of listening to. Just some dumb hippy's with zero talent. Thin Lizzy was a band, these guys are just a bunch of idiots.

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