High-end shopping mall again proposed...

High-end shopping mall again proposed for Farah site

There are 72 comments on the El Paso Times story from May 28, 2008, titled High-end shopping mall again proposed for Farah site. In it, El Paso Times reports that:

If El Paso City Council members and county commissioners approve a $12 million incentive plan, the old Farah building and gutted Howard Johnson Hotel sites could soon become a fountain-filled high-end shopping ...

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here we go again

United States

#1 May 29, 2008
Why is it that our "businesspeople" cannot make their profit the old fashioned way: EARNING IT!

As an El Pasoan I am now paying for the water and sewer infrastructure that should be payed for by land and home developers; now Mr. Foster and his partners want me to start paying for part of their business venture expenses.

Piling up more traffic on the Hawikins - I10 section of town is not healthy for the rest of us. As it is right now, traffic gets piled up to get off and on the freeway at that intersection; Am I and the other El Pasoans going to be asked to pay more in the future to build additional road capacity for this project? A second floor on I-10?; a toll-road off and on ramp at Hawkins?

Come on guys, get real. Mr Foster if you want us to pay you back for your "philanthropy" at the Medical School, why don't you say so.
Rich

El Paso, TX

#2 May 29, 2008
"Miller said his proposal could create 2,500 jobs and inject $43.3 million in pay into the local economy."

"He also said the additional tax revenue -- both property and sales taxes -- could add $1.2 million a year into the county and $2.3 million into the city."

Show us the figures used to arrive at these numbers. I'm tired of inflated estimates used to receive tax dollars for private business. If this business venture is profitable to the tune of injecting $43 million into the local economy then they do not need my tax dollars.

No public money should be used for private business.

Rich
El Paso Rez

El Paso, TX

#3 May 29, 2008
I seriously doubt that these business people really look into the traffic situations especially at the Hawkins off ramp both east and west ramps. There is enough congestion in the and adding more business in the area will really be bad traffic wise. I'm all for businesses in town but to ask the citizen to pay for business taxes is ridiculous. Then, the taxpayer will have to pay for the studies that the city will do explore other traffic routes and possibilities.
I know the city is growing but there is plenty of other options to put this shopping mall. Existing roads connect the far east of the city to the far west through the loop. Why not look into the possibilities of expanding the Northeast area. There is lots of land available and plenty of traffic with all the residential areas cropping up. Just a thought.
A Better Way

United States

#4 May 29, 2008
As an ex El Paso resident now living in Arizona, I can say that there is a better way. Arizona allows for the large tax breaks to allow new business in as well however; they place very strict requirements on the developers to contribiute to the surrounding infrastructure as part of thier projects. This includes traffic control, street improvements and landscaping. El Paso should adopt this tactic to start making these needed commercial additions a good long time investment for everyone.
Patrick_Carrillo

Orlando, FL

#5 May 29, 2008
I know it is easy to discount my views on the fact that I am currently living out of town, but this ex-pat has seen what other cities have to offer; I for one, hope this actually goes through. I have often entertained friends and family at out door malls, and high end shopping centers here in Orlando

“Out in the West Texas”

Since: Mar 08

town of El Paso

#6 May 29, 2008
[QUOTE who="RichI'm tired of inflated estimates used to receive tax dollars for private business. If this business venture is profitable to the tune of injecting $43 million into the local economy then they do not need my tax dollars.
No public money should be used for private business.
Rich[/QUOTE]

My thoughts exactly. If this venture poses such a great potential for profit, then the private sector should commit to it without burdening taxpayers.
Dopey

Houston, TX

#7 May 29, 2008
Why should the tax payers have to pay for anything at all?
Who helps the local Mom/Pop start up a business?
Let the Florida owners pay for the demo themselves, shall we buy them plane tickets so they can come negotiate the deal too?

Foster has done great things for the city but I don't think the taxpayers should help sell a project to investors who will make money and run.
Dopey

Houston, TX

#8 May 29, 2008
el paso doesn't need 2,500 more minimum wage jobs.
thanks.
scotty

United States

#9 May 29, 2008
Who would go there? The Juarez drug cartel?
Shouldn't our tax money go to things like - a real Insights museum or street lights in a few more places?
El Vato

El Paso, TX

#10 May 29, 2008
scotty wrote:
Who would go there? The Juarez drug cartel?
Shouldn't our tax money go to things like - a real Insights museum or street lights in a few more places?
Got that one right. These fat uneducated hogs would all show up in their Doolie Dodge Ram p/u trucks blasting their cheap rancheras with their fake blond-hair streaked wives in bug-eyed sunglasses and snotty loud-mouthed teenage kids and buy the crap we don't want with the big wad of money they carry around. Thanks but this is one kid who will not shop with these disgusting morons. What a way to launder money, huh?
jumanji

United States

#11 May 29, 2008
El Vato wrote:
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Got that one right. These fat uneducated hogs would all show up in their Doolie Dodge Ram p/u trucks blasting their cheap rancheras with their fake blond-hair streaked wives in bug-eyed sunglasses and snotty loud-mouthed teenage kids and buy the crap we don't want with the big wad of money they carry around. Thanks but this is one kid who will not shop with these disgusting morons. What a way to launder money, huh?
Glad to see you're getting on the prejudice bandwagon early and beating the rush! ;-)
El Vato

El Paso, TX

#12 May 29, 2008
jumanji wrote:
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Glad to see you're getting on the prejudice bandwagon early and beating the rush! ;-)
It's obvious you haven't been around these fat slobs. It's not prejudice, it's the truth!
Just A Person

El Paso, TX

#13 May 29, 2008
El Paso Rez wrote:
I know the city is growing but there is plenty of other options to put this shopping mall. Existing roads connect the far east of the city to the far west through the loop. Why not look into the possibilities of expanding the Northeast area. There is lots of land available and plenty of traffic with all the residential areas cropping up. Just a thought.
I agree I would love to see the Northeast built up. With so many new houses being built in that area I think it would be wonderful to have some nice shopping options in that area other than Albertson's, Walmart, and Lowes. Instead people in the northeast are having to drive to the east side or the west side to go shopping making them spend more money on gas when they could be using that money to buy more retail items. Just my thoughts.
what then

El Paso, TX

#14 May 29, 2008
then all of you ask what should be done with it then. hospital ? what ? farrah is gone and all those jobs to mexico and china, what should be done with it then.
what then

El Paso, TX

#15 May 29, 2008
how about lets make it a great big taco tote with an ice skating rink !
scotty

United States

#16 May 29, 2008
El Vato wrote:
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It's obvious you haven't been around these fat slobs. It's not prejudice, it's the truth!
El Vato speaks the truth about the Narcos -not about Mexicans. I've seen his scenario over and over. These
are the people that nearly run you off the road in Juarez on a daily basis.
icepick

United States

#17 May 29, 2008
Other cities have more cosmopolitan areas because they allow tax incentives for developers, provided there is truly going to be a return on the investment. According to the proposal, if these are new retailers to the area, much of the revenue they generate could be that which is already spent by El Paso-area consumers, but in Dallas, Scottsdale, or on the Internet as opposed to here at home.

Again according to the proposal, if this is "new" revenue generated, then any sales taxes collected are over and above what is presently collected without a new mall. There is nothing truly "out of pocket" for the El Paso taxpayer IF the proposal is what actually goes through. They're looking to receive half of what the city and county's take of sales taxes on their sales is - that amounts to .5% and .25% of the amount of the sales that they generate. I find it hard to believe that would be an unbearable burden, as the revenue won't be there at all if the new development is squashed.

And yes, El Paso could use 2500 minimum-wage jobs - aside from the fact that most upscale retail jobs pay notably more than minimum wage.

Both El Pasoans and visitors to the city are quick to point out the lack of redeeming "big city" retailers and upscale facilities. Here's the opportunity - with the FBI taping everyone's phones in the county and city offices, perhaps a developer can actually get something accomplished in this town without facing a line of buffoons in the public trust holding their hands out for a donation to expedite the process.

That's the real reason we don't have a riverwalk, a downtown we can be proud of, or a real sports arena with a decent team - too many elected officials trying to line their pockets or steer every deal to their brother-in-law's construction company. El Paso has so much potential - but it is its own worst enemy.

El Paso has historically been short-sighted in terms of what is possible economically and developmentally. I hope that a better attitude will prevail and allow some of the finer things to come to this city.

“Measure, Measure, Cut”

Since: Nov 07

El Paso ,TX

#18 May 29, 2008
Just A Person wrote:
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I agree I would love to see the Northeast built up. With so many new houses being built in that area I think it would be wonderful to have some nice shopping options in that area other than Albertson's, Walmart, and Lowes. Instead people in the northeast are having to drive to the east side or the west side to go shopping making them spend more money on gas when they could be using that money to buy more retail items. Just my thoughts.
Gas is a retail item!
Vampiro Fronterizo

United States

#19 May 29, 2008
El Vato wrote:
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Got that one right. These fat uneducated hogs would all show up in their Doolie Dodge Ram p/u trucks blasting their cheap rancheras with their fake blond-hair streaked wives in bug-eyed sunglasses and snotty loud-mouthed teenage kids and buy the crap we don't want with the big wad of money they carry around. Thanks but this is one kid who will not shop with these disgusting morons. What a way to launder money, huh?
i agree with all of el paso being taxed to death to educate and deliver these $kum bags kids at thomason, who in ep can shop here, just the rich juarenios and then they will run to the manifiestos to get their taxes back, go to juarez and resell them d a mm i tt we cant win
jaz

El Paso, TX

#20 May 29, 2008
has the city gone mental???? the traffic in that area is the pits it will get worse if that shopping center is built...I think they have a stick up there butts...what are they thinking

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