Farah site: Agreement needed for deve...

Farah site: Agreement needed for development

There are 28 comments on the El Paso Times story from Jun 26, 2008, titled Farah site: Agreement needed for development. In it, El Paso Times reports that:

El Paso City Council faces a delicate and complicated situation as it works with local businessman Paul Foster and Regency Properties concerning the demolition of the old Farah building and development of The ...

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OGI

United States

#1 Jun 26, 2008
Why can't Developers pay for demolition out of their own pocket. It seems to me they will make a lot of money on this deal. Tax payers shouldn't help them do anything. No tax breaks! I don't see anyone giving homeowners a break.-OGI
EP Cynic

Glendale, AZ

#2 Jun 26, 2008
Rather than say to the city developers should not get tax breaks because home owners do not, we should be telling the city the both developers and home owners should get tax breaks and the city should have to make do with less money. That way it is fair to everyone.

“Proud Skeptic!”

Since: Feb 08

El Paso

#3 Jun 26, 2008
OGI wrote:
Why can't Developers pay for demolition out of their own pocket. It seems to me they will make a lot of money on this deal. Tax payers shouldn't help them do anything. No tax breaks! I don't see anyone giving homeowners a break.-OGI
Agreed. If they are not going be profitable why would they wish to open a mall there? It's not like there is a shortage of places to shop in El Paso. The location is a poor choice as well. Hawkins and Viscount is already a high traffic area and adding another mall right there would make it almost undrivable at some times. Just a bad idea all around.
efw

El Paso, TX

#4 Jun 26, 2008
Oh goodie lets give away millions in taxpayer revenue for another mall.

Instead of another mall how about an indoor water park. Something that the youth and us old folks can use year round.
SGL50

United States

#5 Jun 26, 2008
efw wrote:
Oh goodie lets give away millions in taxpayer revenue for another mall.
Instead of another mall how about an indoor water park. Something that the youth and us old folks can use year round.
Year round indoor water park? That is dumb!
Yaya

United States

#6 Jun 26, 2008
A theme park would be nice, remember that awhile back a go Six Flags wanted to open a theme park here and our goverment wanted to charge a lot of taxes to the company so they left. We need to attract the turism, we need more fun things to do here.

“Proud Skeptic!”

Since: Feb 08

El Paso

#7 Jun 26, 2008
Yaya wrote:
A theme park would be nice, remember that awhile back a go Six Flags wanted to open a theme park here and our goverment wanted to charge a lot of taxes to the company so they left. We need to attract the turism, we need more fun things to do here.
A real museum of history would be nice. It could incorporate everything from from the dawn of time in this region up through the recent history of El Paso and could combine the various smaller museums that we have here. Make it unique and something people would want to see and it would help draw tourism. Another mall is just another mall and we have plenty of places to shop already.
range_rider

United States

#8 Jun 26, 2008
And we wonder why El Paso is still a one horse town.
Wake Up El Paso wrote:
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A real museum of history would be nice. It could incorporate everything from from the dawn of time in this region up through the recent history of El Paso and could combine the various smaller museums that we have here. Make it unique and something people would want to see and it would help draw tourism. Another mall is just another mall and we have plenty of places to shop already.
Alicia Lopez Ruidoso

El Paso, TX

#9 Jun 26, 2008
SGL50 wrote:
<quoted text>
Year round indoor water park? That is dumb!
they should build that ampitheater here that the dummy proposed for downtown San Jacinto Square.
they could have a garden with 12foot bronze statues of reyes, foster(GOD), john cook, and the mayor of JuareZ !!

“Proud Skeptic!”

Since: Feb 08

El Paso

#10 Jun 27, 2008
range_rider wrote:
And we wonder why El Paso is still a one horse town.
<quoted text>
Well, there is nothing wrong with keeping the small town "feel" of El Paso, but at the same time we can join the rest of the country in the 21st century. I've been to cities with 1/6 our population that have amazing museums. We should be proud of our very diverse history here and should want to show it off in the best way possible. Putting up a statue here and there and the occasional one room museum doesn't really cut it.
Alicia Lopez Ruidoso

El Paso, TX

#11 Jun 27, 2008
they should build that ampitheater here that the dummy proposed for downtown San Jacinto Square. I don't mean "here" where my computer is, i mean here in El Paso, because it wouldn't fit "here" where I'm at, so it would have to be somewhere else in El Paso.

they could have a garden with 12foot bronze statues of reyes, foster(GOD), john cook, and the mayor of JuareZ !! I don't mean statues that have 12 feet because that would be weird, I mean statues that are 12 feet in height.
range_rider

United States

#12 Jun 27, 2008
AND how much property taxes will the ampitheater bring in, WHEN will everyone in this town realize that the property tax split should over 50% business and under 50% private? The tax payers need relief and business is one way to improve that, not amplitheaters and parks, we need to stop running business away and turning this town into a CITY.
Alicia Lopez Ruidoso wrote:
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they should build that ampitheater here that the dummy proposed for downtown San Jacinto Square.
they could have a garden with 12foot bronze statues of reyes, foster(GOD), john cook, and the mayor of JuareZ !!

“Proud Skeptic!”

Since: Feb 08

El Paso

#13 Jun 27, 2008
range_rider wrote:
AND how much property taxes will the ampitheater bring in, WHEN will everyone in this town realize that the property tax split should over 50% business and under 50% private? The tax payers need relief and business is one way to improve that, not amplitheaters and parks, we need to stop running business away and turning this town into a CITY.
<quoted text>
I agree that one of the best ways to increase the tax base in the city is to draw more business, but if we give those same businesses a tax break doesn't that defeat the purpose? If a business has a product or service to offer El Paso that they think they can make a profit on (the ultimate reason for being in business, of course) why should they need any further incentive? There are exceptions when you are trying to attract unique business here, but for another mall?
range_rider

United States

#14 Jun 27, 2008
It is a two edged sword, cities are offering incentives for business to move to their locations, Cities are competing for the business and if the town of El Paso doesn't get into the process they will lose. Remember that once the inital tax rebates or incentives are over then that business will start paying the full property tax, they will be collecting sales tax. Like I said it is a two sided sword. If we had made consessions years back we would be in better shape now. Do you realize the second most visited site in Texas is. The outlet mall in San Marcos. The Mexicans make pilgramages to San Marcos. Why isn't El Paso trying to draw in the BIG dollars here and from Mexico.
Wake Up El Paso wrote:
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I agree that one of the best ways to increase the tax base in the city is to draw more business, but if we give those same businesses a tax break doesn't that defeat the purpose? If a business has a product or service to offer El Paso that they think they can make a profit on (the ultimate reason for being in business, of course) why should they need any further incentive? There are exceptions when you are trying to attract unique business here, but for another mall?
Rich

United States

#15 Jun 27, 2008
No public money should be used in private enterprise. The request for tax breaks before anything can be done is nothing more than economic blackmail.

Rich
Binh Phuoc Bill

El Paso, TX

#16 Jun 27, 2008
Let see, we are what there "range_rider at least 5 hours by road away from you in Tuscon and another what 5 hours to LA ? Most of the scenery between here and you and until at least the outskirts of Rosewood, Berdoo, Redlands looks alot like all that beauty surrounding El Paso.

Now if you go East it is what another 10+ hours to San Antone or add a couple of more hours west and be in DFW. No offense to the folks in Sierra Blanca, Fort Hancock or any of the other communities along the way; but, unless you are a Texan there ain't a hell of alot to look at going that way either.

And conversely speaking if you are travelling I-10 from the East or the West and El Paso is along your way, there ain't much to look at either and even less when you get to El Paso.

The point is like it or not, despite all of our local pride in the history,the fact that we have a Quasi- major albeit a longstanding Football Bowl Game. The second longest in longevity second only to the "Rose Bowl." But ,it is not a BCS attraction nor will it be. The continued existence is premised upon maintaining " Helen of Troy" in its pocket and concurrently a TV contract. That is a once a year affair and guess what with Oil prices being forecasted to be over $ 200 a barrel shortly, that will probably translate directly to less vehicle traffic ( 10 million less drivers by 2010 according to ABC news last night) dramatically higher air fares which also means that less people will be flying and flying less frequently.

El Paso has Hueco Tanks, no Golden Gate Bridge, we don't have Western Playland anymore since it went to New Mexico and we do not have Disney World, we have Cohen Field but not the "House that Ruth built", we have the Rio Grande but no Oceans - just beach front, we have UTEP but it is not UCLA, Georgetown, Stanford or even NMSU. We do have Ft. Bliss and that's the only thing that will drive anything here and in the future. Soldiers learn quite early if they are getting screwed anf the soldiers that are here now know so today.

This scenario limits the offerings somewhat and for the Mexicanos getting them to divert from San Marcos may be problematic anyway other than just having them change their routine. The price of fuel for them is subsidized by their governement, how long are they going to continue to do that in view of the world market? Another slight problem is that it is easier now to drive across the border bridges now in El Paso because of the dwindling traffic purported to be in proportion to the daily homicide rate in Juarez.

There are about 8 zillion other reasons not to do this and they are all related to why should we or allow our corrupt politicos of high futuristic vision screw us again.

I much prefer Alicia's and Rich's to what you pander.
Harold

El Paso, TX

#17 Jun 27, 2008
They should put a mexican restaurant on that lot. lol aye aye

Since: Jun 08

El Paso

#18 Jun 27, 2008
Well said.. And you prove a point about why El Paso will only decline from here on out.. not get better.
Binh Phuoc Bill wrote:
Let see, we are what there "range_rider at least 5 hours by road away from you in Tuscon and another what 5 hours to LA ? Most of the scenery between here and you and until at least the outskirts of Rosewood, Berdoo, Redlands looks alot like all that beauty surrounding El Paso.
Now if you go East it is what another 10+ hours to San Antone or add a couple of more hours west and be in DFW. No offense to the folks in Sierra Blanca, Fort Hancock or any of the other communities along the way; but, unless you are a Texan there ain't a hell of alot to look at going that way either.
And conversely speaking if you are travelling I-10 from the East or the West and El Paso is along your way, there ain't much to look at either and even less when you get to El Paso.
The point is like it or not, despite all of our local pride in the history,the fact that we have a Quasi- major albeit a longstanding Football Bowl Game. The second longest in longevity second only to the "Rose Bowl." But ,it is not a BCS attraction nor will it be. The continued existence is premised upon maintaining " Helen of Troy" in its pocket and concurrently a TV contract. That is a once a year affair and guess what with Oil prices being forecasted to be over $ 200 a barrel shortly, that will probably translate directly to less vehicle traffic ( 10 million less drivers by 2010 according to ABC news last night) dramatically higher air fares which also means that less people will be flying and flying less frequently.
El Paso has Hueco Tanks, no Golden Gate Bridge, we don't have Western Playland anymore since it went to New Mexico and we do not have Disney World, we have Cohen Field but not the "House that Ruth built", we have the Rio Grande but no Oceans - just beach front, we have UTEP but it is not UCLA, Georgetown, Stanford or even NMSU. We do have Ft. Bliss and that's the only thing that will drive anything here and in the future. Soldiers learn quite early if they are getting screwed anf the soldiers that are here now know so today.
This scenario limits the offerings somewhat and for the Mexicanos getting them to divert from San Marcos may be problematic anyway other than just having them change their routine. The price of fuel for them is subsidized by their governement, how long are they going to continue to do that in view of the world market? Another slight problem is that it is easier now to drive across the border bridges now in El Paso because of the dwindling traffic purported to be in proportion to the daily homicide rate in Juarez.
There are about 8 zillion other reasons not to do this and they are all related to why should we or allow our corrupt politicos of high futuristic vision screw us again.
I much prefer Alicia's and Rich's to what you pander.
Binh Phuoc Bill

El Paso, TX

#19 Jun 27, 2008
Alicia Lopez Ruidoso wrote:
they should build that ampitheater here that the dummy proposed for downtown San Jacinto Square. I don't mean "here" where my computer is, i mean here in El Paso, because it wouldn't fit "here" where I'm at, so it would have to be somewhere else in El Paso.
they could have a garden with 12foot bronze statues of reyes, foster(GOD), john cook, and the mayor of JuareZ !! I don't mean statues that have 12 feet because that would be weird, I mean statues that are 12 feet in height.
Alicia, I got to rereading what you had said in this post and you know what, they are weird anyway so 12 feet, probably all left feet would fit them just fine.
range_rider

United States

#20 Jun 27, 2008
And your point is, OH by the way I am an El Pasoan Not sure where that Tucson AZ came from, maybe has something to do with the server I am hooked up to, so you are not telling me anything I don't already know. Who gets the property taxes from the new outlet mall in Canutillo? Not El Paso we would not give them a tax break. Why is the new Toyota plant in San Antonio, because we are not business friendly. Why, Why, Why, I could go on for ever just like you do. Tell me where I can find the new County Coliseum? OH that is right for the last 30 years we have been afraid to build it because SOMEONE might make some money. Where is the Aquatic center, oh that one that was going to bring in the swim meets from around the country. Where is the baseball sport plex? Oh that field of weeds, that is on the East side, How many teams have come into El Paso so they could have their tournament here. SHOULD I GO ON, I HAVE LIVED HERE, I AM A PROUD EL PASOAN, I AM PISSED THAT WE ARE STILL A SMALL TOWN WITH SMALL TOWN IDEAS. El Paso has so much to offer, just like Mexico, they also have so much to offer but they are a third world country. Mexico and El Paso could be so much if it wasn't for people that have no forsight.

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