Developer asks delay on $100M Farah s...

Developer asks delay on $100M Farah site project

There are 44 comments on the El Paso Times story from Apr 14, 2010, titled Developer asks delay on $100M Farah site project. In it, El Paso Times reports that:

A proposed $100 million shopping center at the old Farah factory on the East Side probably will not open next year, as the developer said it would.

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Private

El Paso, TX

#22 Apr 15, 2010
What I meant by its not your money is the money is being spent by Paul Foster to build this upscale shopping mall. You are correct by saying it is your money being spent. All over the United States cities give tax breaks to developers to build developments. Once they get established, they repay the money that was from tax breaks back to the city.
DNAZIG

Austin, TX

#24 Apr 15, 2010
Paul Foster, take a look a the Domain in Austin; maybe you'll learn something. It proves that dining, retail, and entertainment can attract thousands of patrons..
Think about it

El Paso, TX

#25 Apr 15, 2010
we have a couple of good points here, I have to admit that the way the city is growing is a little alarming. Because instead of trying to house the 25K soldiers and help us all commute safely and faster to our workplace we are talking about adding a shopping center next to an existing one. Is true that it would help the economy if we did not had cielo vista, bassett, sundland park or the outlets. Who comes up with this ideas, even when asarco was closed the city or someone wanted to put a mall there too. Why not try to built some sort of music hall, stadium, may be you are not looking for a place to have fun so how about a workplace, office space that could center some big shot company. So we have all kinds ideas, why are we stuck with a mall...think about it. To spent some money we have to earn the money.

The bottom line is we do not need another shopping center. If you think el pasoans complain too much, don't comment back cause get what...you just complain too and that would make you an el pasoan.

Think about it.
Obama bin Biden

El Paso, TX

#26 Apr 15, 2010
Tony wrote:
So tell me how viable is a project that the developers feel they cannot lure enough retail tenants in 8 YEARS time?
They are just backing out in a way to save face..they will demo the property..leave it barren and an eyesore for a few years and then give us some sad story..again.
We should reassess the project and look at other uses for the site and possibly break it up into smaller parcels to allow some development to take place sooner than 8 YEARS.
There's a reason they can't LURE enough retailers in time, did you think of why?

Maybe you missed this part of the story:

Retailers have stepped back due to the uncertainty of the economy," Miller said on Wednesday. "We have certain commitments from certain retailers, but not the critical mass we need to go forward with this project.

So, basically if the economy sucks, and if you haven't noticed yet,.....it does, business doesn't grow and people don't get hired, and more people lose their homes.
We are LUCKY to be in Texas, we haven't been hit that hard like other states.
Real unemployment is above 17% because the government stops counting the people that were laid off and gave up looking for work.

Welcome to the Obamanation!!!!!!!!
LLB

El Paso, TX

#27 Apr 15, 2010
Oh....The Farah Site will not open in 2011. And won't open until at least 2018. Why am I NOT surprised??? Wonder if he's connected with the Artisan Hotel???Hmmmmmmmmmm????
Obama bin Biden

El Paso, TX

#28 Apr 15, 2010
Think about it wrote:
we have a couple of good points here, I have to admit that the way the city is growing is a little alarming. Because instead of trying to house the 25K soldiers and help us all commute safely and faster to our workplace we are talking about adding a shopping center next to an existing one. Is true that it would help the economy if we did not had cielo vista, bassett, sundland park or the outlets. Who comes up with this ideas, even when asarco was closed the city or someone wanted to put a mall there too. Why not try to built some sort of music hall, stadium, may be you are not looking for a place to have fun so how about a workplace, office space that could center some big shot company. So we have all kinds ideas, why are we stuck with a mall...think about it. To spent some money we have to earn the money.
The bottom line is we do not need another shopping center. If you think el pasoans complain too much, don't comment back cause get what...you just complain too and that would make you an el pasoan.
Think about it.
So, you don't like competition huh? You do know that competition lowers prices right?
Who said you have to shop there anyway?

Just asking.
ehh

AOL

#29 Apr 15, 2010
Miner student wrote:
Oh cool!!!! Im 23 right now... I'll be able to start shopping there when im 31!!!! YYYYAAAAAYYYYYYY!!!!!.....
Goodness grief, it took about 6 years to build the new dallas cowboys stadium, a FAR BIGGER project than this one!!! The outlet mall in Canutillo is the same size as the Farrah site, and they built that thing in about 3 years!!
8 f**king years??!!!!! ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!!!!
Thanks but no thanks, you can keep your stupid shopping center and shove it up your @$$!(I speak to the developement planners)
Your not a buisness major are you? Learn something about real estate first...
ehh

AOL

#30 Apr 15, 2010
Danny wrote:
Typical El Pasoans. They don't do anything but complain. They sit around like worthless beings and b itch. If you all want it torn down - buy it and tear it down. If you want a shopping center tomorrow - buy it and make it one. Get off your **** and do something other than complain.
Best Comment Ive Read Today
Julian

Englewood, CO

#31 Apr 15, 2010
The fountains is an UPSCALE mall similar to the ones in Albuquerque an Austin..same developer i believe...being upscale with good high end stores, it would be out of place in the NE...sorry, thats just the way it is....
Come on wrote:
Give me a break...do we need another mall/retail place in the Eastside area. I think Eastside is booming as it is and so is the westside....but yet Northeast has a empty mall and gets no attention. We don't need this retail shopping center...these people in politics or with money don't think at all.
Shopaholic

El Paso, TX

#32 Apr 15, 2010
I want the new shopping center and I want it now! But build it in the northeast because the eastside and westside already have enough places to shop.
Canutillo Resident

El Paso, TX

#33 Apr 15, 2010
FYI wrote:
<quoted text>
FYI - the outlet mall is in El Paso, not in Canutillo.
No the Outlet mall is in Canutillo, which is in the EP city limits
The Law

Midlothian, TX

#34 Apr 15, 2010
Its El Paso, Not Long Beach. Great for them to hold off on building. The Shopping Mall is great idea! If you "Build it They Will Come". But like I said its El Paso. They not ready for Shopping! The high life Society! Find A job first, and quit drinking every damn weekend and invest in your futures. Maybe El Paso can change by 2018.
FYI

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#35 Apr 15, 2010
Julian wrote:
The fountains is an UPSCALE mall similar to the ones in Albuquerque an Austin..same developer i believe...being upscale with good high end stores, it would be out of place in the NE...sorry, thats just the way it is....
<quoted text>
You mean "ABQ UPTOWN" in Albuquerque and "VICTORIA GARDENS" in CA. Those places ROCK!! Elephant Bar, Yard House, Cheesecake Factory, you know what I mean. Build this place and El Paso will have a better reputation.
Malled to Death

El Paso, TX

#36 Apr 15, 2010
El Pasoan's favorite sport and family activity:
Go to the mall.
Frivolous spending, shopping that fills cultural voids.
So glad I'm not part of that scene. So go ahead and build it, they will come.
Progress and business growth indeed.
Way to go, keep the town stuck.
Obama bin Biden

El Paso, TX

#37 Apr 15, 2010
Malled to Death wrote:
El Pasoan's favorite sport and family activity:
Go to the mall.
Frivolous spending, shopping that fills cultural voids.
So glad I'm not part of that scene. So go ahead and build it, they will come.
Progress and business growth indeed.
Way to go, keep the town stuck.
Ever wonder why per capita El Paso consumes more alcohol than any other city in the United States of America?

There's nothing to do.

Ever wonder why El Paso is #7 out of 10 cities with the highest poverty levels in the United States of America?

Democrat run, so are the top 10 cities.

See a connection?
Texas Grad

Portland, OR

#38 Apr 15, 2010
Why doesn't Chuck Norris just create an earthquake and have it demolish the Farah Building. That would be faster..Who knows his Number??
Rey

AOL

#39 Apr 15, 2010
Whoever coined the phrase "build and they will come" was acon man. How about the more realistic phrase, REAL JOBS and they will come. The economny is bad and people need jobs not places to walk thru.

You need money to buy things.
Eastside Mike

El Paso, TX

#40 Apr 15, 2010
Just Me wrote:
I would've built some nice condos or gated apartments. Middle of town,shopping, dining, not a bad place for living, only thing would be the traffic. But that could be figured out w/ proper planning.
I believe the developer De La Vega did suggest something like this on part of the property.

In addition, there were alternative business uses for this property. One was to use the current site to store sugar for shipment into Mexico. Another was to use it as an indoor vehicle storage site for soldiers going overseas. A third was to use part of it for an alternative school. Even think the El Paso MPO looked at it as an office site.

Like one lady tried to tell officials, Fort Bliss was going to build a new on post shopping center. If you take a look at it today, it's a nice big impressive place.

So just were is Foster going to get all his shopper? Those other retail malls certainly had, and have, every right to voice concerns over this issue.
BxD

United States

#41 Apr 15, 2010
rav wrote:
<quoted text>
To start off where the hell is Donna Tx. I think your the last person to say what El Paso needs since you dont live here. Lets see u left 25 years ago when our pop was what about 350k. If you didnt know we have 3 malls an outlet 25 k soldiers coming into Ft. Bliss and hundreds of thousands of people from juarez coming across to live here. With alll those people we are set at more than 3/4 of a million people. We have a great construction program going on right now with the expantion of Ft. Bliss. We don't need these jobs in 8 years we need them now. Typical Ex El Pasoan bashing a city in which he doesnt live in any more.
I left because I had the b*alls to pack up and better myself. I did not want to live of my parents like most of the people there. I made it on my own in a town that I knew no one. I live in San Antonio. Donna is a small town in the valley where I am making sales calls. By the way Donna with a population of 5000 that has more things to do than El Paso. they know that spending money brings in people that will spend money there. As far as a typical EX EL PASOAN, I defend your town more than you do. I support UTEP more than you do. I pray that your city comes out of that funk of bad luck and gives you all something more than just, Ft Bliss, UTEP, and whatever other projects you are so proud of. You have no idea what you are talking about. Go out and live out of your town and open your eyes. DUMB AS*!
Rey

AOL

#42 Apr 16, 2010
The guy is smart enough to know that the investment is not going to give a return for quite a while, he gets it. Takes money to money and some just dont get it. We are in a recession and the real jobs arent there. The city has massive debt, especially in Certs of obligation. And the construction at Ft Bliss will ending shortly, it was a temp influx of capital.

The guy is smart to wait until things get better. Just another failed city plan as result of poor planning.

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