Developer asks delay on $100M Farah site project

Full story: El Paso Times

A proposed $100 million shopping center at the old Farah factory on the East Side probably will not open next year, as the developer said it would.
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seriously

El Paso, TX

#1 Apr 14, 2010
Like we need another retail place... so we will probably see the eyesore for another 10 years...
Tony

Sacramento, CA

#2 Apr 14, 2010
So tell me how viable is a project that the developers feel they cannot lure enough retail tenants in 8 YEARS time?

They are just backing out in a way to save face..they will demo the property..leave it barren and an eyesore for a few years and then give us some sad story..again.

We should reassess the project and look at other uses for the site and possibly break it up into smaller parcels to allow some development to take place sooner than 8 YEARS.
Miner student

El Paso, TX

#3 Apr 15, 2010
Oh cool!!!! Im 23 right now... I'll be able to start shopping there when im 31!!!! YYYYAAAAAYYYYYYY!!!!!.....

Goodness grief, it took about 6 years to build the new dallas cowboys stadium, a FAR BIGGER project than this one!!! The outlet mall in Canutillo is the same size as the Farrah site, and they built that thing in about 3 years!!

8 f**king years??!!!!! ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!!!!
Thanks but no thanks, you can keep your stupid shopping center and shove it up your @$$!(I speak to the developement planners)
Common Sense

El Paso, TX

#5 Apr 15, 2010
Glad to see your education is widening your vocabulary, "Miner student".
Private

El Paso, TX

#6 Apr 15, 2010
Remember the cowboys stadium was built on ground that was empty so was El Paso's outlet mall. The Farah buildings are massive and need to be torn down. That is not a quick project. It is going to take time to demolish the buildings, do ground work to get the site ready for development and then begin construction. It is a lengthy process. Why are people so negative about positive things coming to El Paso. It is not you that is paying for the project so you shouldn't complain. It is Paul Foster spending millions to help El Paso become a better city.
BxD

United States

#7 Apr 15, 2010
The best thing that could happen now is the Farah building being torn down and the property cleaned up. Once that eye sore is torn down El Paso will realize that a new beginning is in the (near/far) horizon. People driving accross the country have to drive by El Paso and when they see old empty buildings, they dont see any reason to stop and spend money there. Let them tear that thing down and let them do whatever it takes to build that project. that is the best thing that is going to happen to your city for a long time. Now think about this, what projects does your city have coming up within the next 10 years that will bring more jobs there? El Paso wake up! This will start a chain reaction of projects from developers accross the country who know that your population is a good business project. Now El Paso hear this, Build an Arena, clean up all of downtown, and build family entertainment areas. Keep your citizens there. Dont let them leave like I did 25 years ago. Your city is in the same shape it was then. build for your kids future, not yours.
back to basics

El Paso, TX

#8 Apr 15, 2010
I'm wondering if an arena could be placed on the site instead?
Danny

El Paso, TX

#9 Apr 15, 2010
Typical El Pasoans. They don't do anything but complain. They sit around like worthless beings and b itch. If you all want it torn down - buy it and tear it down. If you want a shopping center tomorrow - buy it and make it one. Get off your azzes and do something other than complain.
Private

El Paso, TX

#10 Apr 15, 2010
Stop Complaining! It isn't your money being spent so don't complain. Paul Foster is trying to make El Paso a better city. If El Paso ever wants to become a better city developments like these have to be completed. When this project is complete and successful many more economic developments will come to the city. This is one of many developments to come to El Paso.
JerryK

El Paso, TX

#11 Apr 15, 2010
This is another good example of why the City should should let the market work and not try to spin it by cutting deals with developers, especially deals that involve taxes. They ran into the same problem with the Doubletree downtown. "Oh dear, things have changed and I can't keep my bargain with you. let's renegotiate."

Yes, business changes. That is why the City should stay out of business.
Aka

El Paso, TX

#12 Apr 15, 2010
Totally agree Danny
Just Me

Silver City, NM

#13 Apr 15, 2010
I would've built some nice condos or gated apartments. Middle of town,shopping, dining, not a bad place for living, only thing would be the traffic. But that could be figured out w/ proper planning.
WWW

El Paso, TX

#14 Apr 15, 2010
Same old crap. Screw the citizens of El Paso. They blame it on the economy? BS!! The economy was in terrible back in November when the contract was signed and they knew it. Now all of a sudden they want to extend the deadline? Something rotten smells around here. FBI, where are you?

Oh, and BTW, the city wants to buy the Artisan Hotel? Give me a break. Crook, stay out of the real estate business and concentrate on doing your job: making BBQ sauce. Bunch of fools.
WWW

El Paso, TX

#15 Apr 15, 2010
Private wrote:
Stop Complaining! It isn't your money being spent so don't complain. Paul Foster is trying to make El Paso a better city. If El Paso ever wants to become a better city developments like these have to be completed. When this project is complete and successful many more economic developments will come to the city. This is one of many developments to come to El Paso.
Moron, our tax money is being spent by providing these sleaze bags tax breaks.
Eastside Mike

El Paso, TX

#16 Apr 15, 2010
Tony wrote:
So tell me how viable is a project that the developers feel they cannot lure enough retail tenants in 8 YEARS time?
AMEN! A very simple, but excellent question.

In addition, how did such a professional retail mall management organization MISJUDGE the economy SO BAD? The other three mall operators tried to tell the city council and county commissioners, that the economy was facing problems with some key retail chains going out of business. Even the city's economic development staff misjudged the economy.

One El Paso TIMES' reporter wrote in his internet BLOG, but it was stangely NOT REPORTED in the paper's main print edition, that this property could be CLEARED for about $4.5 million. Did the city and county really negotiate a deal that would reasonably protect our community? Thankfully the county did add some additional protection provisions.


a very high taxpayer

El Paso, TX

#17 Apr 15, 2010
Private wrote:
Stop Complaining! It isn't your money being spent so don't complain. Paul Foster is trying to make El Paso a better city. If El Paso ever wants to become a better city developments like these have to be completed. When this project is complete and successful many more economic developments will come to the city. This is one of many developments to come to El Paso.
it is my money when it comes to the tax rebates dumbazzzzzz.
FYI

El Paso, TX

#18 Apr 15, 2010
Miner student wrote:
Oh cool!!!! Im 23 right now... I'll be able to start shopping there when im 31!!!! YYYYAAAAAYYYYYYY!!!!!.....
Goodness grief, it took about 6 years to build the new dallas cowboys stadium, a FAR BIGGER project than this one!!! The outlet mall in Canutillo is the same size as the Farrah site, and they built that thing in about 3 years!!
8 f**king years??!!!!! ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!!!!
Thanks but no thanks, you can keep your stupid shopping center and shove it up your @$$!(I speak to the developement planners)
FYI - the outlet mall is in El Paso, not in Canutillo.
rav

El Paso, TX

#19 Apr 15, 2010
BxD wrote:
The best thing that could happen now is the Farah building being torn down and the property cleaned up. Once that eye sore is torn down El Paso will realize that a new beginning is in the (near/far) horizon. People driving accross the country have to drive by El Paso and when they see old empty buildings, they dont see any reason to stop and spend money there. Let them tear that thing down and let them do whatever it takes to build that project. that is the best thing that is going to happen to your city for a long time. Now think about this, what projects does your city have coming up within the next 10 years that will bring more jobs there? El Paso wake up! This will start a chain reaction of projects from developers accross the country who know that your population is a good business project. Now El Paso hear this, Build an Arena, clean up all of downtown, and build family entertainment areas. Keep your citizens there. Dont let them leave like I did 25 years ago. Your city is in the same shape it was then. build for your kids future, not yours.
To start off where the hell is Donna Tx. I think your the last person to say what El Paso needs since you dont live here. Lets see u left 25 years ago when our pop was what about 350k. If you didnt know we have 3 malls an outlet 25 k soldiers coming into Ft. Bliss and hundreds of thousands of people from juarez coming across to live here. With alll those people we are set at more than 3/4 of a million people. We have a great construction program going on right now with the expantion of Ft. Bliss. We don't need these jobs in 8 years we need them now. Typical Ex El Pasoan bashing a city in which he doesnt live in any more.
Come on

Waltham, MA

#20 Apr 15, 2010
Give me a break...do we need another mall/retail place in the Eastside area. I think Eastside is booming as it is and so is the westside....but yet Northeast has a empty mall and gets no attention. We don't need this retail shopping center...these people in politics or with money don't think at all.
A serious question

AOL

#21 Apr 15, 2010
So Luther Jones and Gilbert Sanchez go to trial next month over a $750 campaign contribution (which even the US Attorney acknowledges was really a plane ticket to a seminar if you read the case briefs). This contribution, according to the US Attorney, is the key piece of evidence that incriminates both parties in a "conspiracy to commit fraud" with that fraud being an attempt by Jones to get a contract for a client that would benefit his client, who was paying Jones as a lobbyist.

QUESTION: WHAT IS DIFFERENT HERE? Foster and his folks have given thousands in campaign donations to Ortega and the others that will vote for this, and Foster is getting a benefit from their vote! The Foster folks and Ortega have clearly already spoken about his vote and Ortega has clearly taken money from Foster--so "conspiracy" right? Seriously, the only difference I see is that Foster has given a lot more than $750 and this tax break is past the "conspiracy" stage because it is already granted and about to be revised to benefit Foster even more......????

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