As It Stands: Misunderstood connections: The Crusades, jihads and 9/11

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Who cared about the history of the Crusades before the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks? History buffs, I suppose.

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Jun 27, 2010
 
dave (mossad) stancliff ... bleating the failed lies of "the official government story" on 911. For WHAT purpose?
still believe in the easter bunny too dave?
Nope... THAT lie doesn't pay the rent and promote fascism.

get an education before you open your distended pie hole again.
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what a rock wrote:
dave (mossad) stancliff ... bleating the failed lies of "the official government story" on 911. For WHAT purpose?
still believe in the easter bunny too dave?
Nope... THAT lie doesn't pay the rent and promote fascism.
get an education before you open your distended pie hole again.
What are you talking about moron?

This article has nothing to do with who, what,why, 911 happened.
You apparently have some weird agenda or something about the subject.

And it's obvious that you did not read the article - or you would have known that your ranting were wasted. Then again, maybe you did read it and you don't care what the whole article is about, and this is just a chance to show the world what happens when you open your piehole dipstick!

Forget your lithium today?

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Jun 27, 2010
 
Dave wrote:
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What are you talking about moron?
This article has nothing to do with who, what,why, 911 happened.
You apparently have some weird agenda or something about the subject.
And it's obvious that you did not read the article - or you would have known that your ranting were wasted. Then again, maybe you did read it and you don't care what the whole article is about, and this is just a chance to show the world what happens when you open your piehole dipstick!
Forget your lithium today?
It's easy to see why someone would think there was some sort of connection; after all, the article is titled, "As it stands: Misunderstood connections: The Crusades, jihads, and 9/11."
A rather convoluted title for an article that deals primarily with the Westerner's view of the "rightness" of the Crusades(as per Dr. Madden,) vs. the Muslim view which might translate into a present-day grievance against the West.
The article does not mention 9/11 except in passing, the same is true of "jihad"--which is an Arabic term that loosely translates into "utmost effort," or "struggle," though it is generally thought to mean "Holy-War," by westerners and fundamentalist Muslims.
I'm not certain whether or not you're the author of the article in question but as a point of clarification, the God of the crusaders is the same God that the Muslims call "Allah."
As it stands, the article could have had a title that more closely announced its content, or the article could have been expanded to include an examination of the "connections" listed in the title.
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this is why we need to kick the muslim out of the US of A.

As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped for their colorful uniqueness:
United States — Muslim 1.0%
Australia — Muslim 1.5%
Canada — Muslim 1.9%
China — Muslim 1%-2%
Italy — Muslim 1.5%
Norway — Muslim 1.8%
At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs:
Denmark — Muslim 2%
Germany — Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom — Muslim 2.7%
Spain — Muslim 4%
Thailand — Muslim 4.6%
From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. They will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves — along with threats for failure to comply.
France — Muslim 8%
Philippines — Muslim 5%
Sweden — Muslim 5%
Switzerland — Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands — Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad & Tobago — Muslim 5.8%
At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islam is not to convert the world but to establish Sharia law over the entire world.
When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions (Paris — car burnings, etc.). Any non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats (Amsterdam — Mohammed cartoons).
Guyana — Muslim 10%
India — Muslim 13.4%
Israel — Muslim 16%
Kenya — Muslim 10%
Russia — Muslim 10-15%
After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning:
Ethiopia — Muslim 32.8%
At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and ongoing militia warfare:
Bosnia — Muslim 40%
Chad — Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon — Muslim 59.7%
From 60% you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and other religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels:
Albania — Muslim 70%
Malaysia — Muslim 60.4%
Qatar — Muslim 77.5%
Sudan — Muslim 70%
After 80% expect State run ethnic cleansing and genocide:
Bangladesh — Muslim 83%
Egypt — Muslim 90%
Gaza — Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia — Muslim 86.1%
Iran — Muslim 98%
Iraq — Muslim 97%
Jordan — Muslim 92%
Morocco — Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan — Muslim 97%
Palestine — Muslim 99%
Syria — Muslim 90%
Tajikistan — Muslim 90%
Turkey — Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates — Muslim 96%
100% will usher in the peace of "Dar-es-Salaam" — the Islamic House of Peace — there’s supposed to be peace because everybody is a Muslim:
Afghanistan — Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia — Muslim 100%
Somalia — Muslim 100%
Yemen — Muslim 99.9%
Of course, that’s not the case. To satisfy their blood lust, Muslims then start killing each other for a variety of reasons.
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Jun 27, 2010
 
You're right rock head either didn't read your article and/or lives in another world when off his meds.

I took a good interest in the middle east when studying history and world religions in college. I was not really well informed prior to that having attended both a Catholic elementary and thena semester at a Catholic university.

I wrote a term paper on the crusades that basically broke the whole period down to (over simplified) an economic series of wars.

The French king was more or less bankrupt and Christian Europe in general was on the same path. "To arms in the name of our rightous God. Go with Him and release Jeruselem from the heathens."

Comical, heathens vs infidels. Both sides killing in the name of the same God, LOL.

Get rid of many of the knights, confiscate their land and whatever other valuables are available and for those that return, say thank you, good job.

Typical political, economic power move that other royals jumped on the bandwagon along with corrupt Popes over the years.

So they eventually lost the "Holy Land" battles but won the war at home.

Now we see the stupidty of history repeating itself over oil rather than God. But at this time the Christian nations are not winning the war at home.

As an after thought, we also have learned nothing over the many, many years when we attempt to change their customs, culture that they have a willingness to die for to keep it as is.

Ignore people like rock head they obviously have little or no education to discuss such subject matter in an intelligent manner.
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Jun 27, 2010
 
John-K wrote:
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It's easy to see why someone would think there was some sort of connection; after all, the article is titled, "As it stands: Misunderstood connections: The Crusades, jihads, and 9/11."
A rather convoluted title for an article that deals primarily with the Westerner's view of the "rightness" of the Crusades(as per Dr. Madden,) vs. the Muslim view which might translate into a present-day grievance against the West.
The article does not mention 9/11 except in passing, the same is true of "jihad"--which is an Arabic term that loosely translates into "utmost effort," or "struggle," though it is generally thought to mean "Holy-War," by westerners and fundamentalist Muslims.

I'm not certain whether or not you're the author of the article in question but as a point of clarification, the God of the crusaders is the same God that the Muslims call "Allah."

As it stands, the article could have had a title that more closely announced its content, or the article could have been expanded to include an examination of the "connections" listed in the title.
I did write the article.

Thank you for your constructive observations, and clarification that "the God of the crusaders is the same God that the Muslims call Allah." You're right. One calls a higher power God, and the other Allah,but both are referring to a higher power.

I plead guilty for the headline/title. It could have been better.

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Jun 28, 2010
 
Great post, Ponder z.

You could make a banner-style graphic, with "Islam Appreciation Day" on the left progressing to "Sectarian violence" on the right. Those banners should be displayed in elementary school classrooms, right below the alphabet.
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Jun 28, 2010
 
Thank You so much Ponder Z....
Just guess what will happen to all the Commie Hippie Libs when the TRUKS TAKE OVER...

OUCH! I get a head ache just dreaming about it...

FREE CONSTANTINOPLE !!
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Jun 28, 2010
 
Ponder z - "this is why we need to kick the muslim out of the US of A."

OK, how do you propose this be accomplished?
1- Our Constitution advocates "Freedom of Religion".
2- Those Muslims who are American Citizens, how are they to be kicked out?
3- If you have ever studied the Koran you would realize it does not approve of terrorism and is considered a peaceful religion.
Obviously just as Christians over a few thousand years have interpreted the Bible to validate their personal power and economic agendas there are Muslims that do the same thing.
4- As for Eddie, public schools have been legally positioned to not advocate any religion. Again the Constitution "Separation of state and religion".

Therefore neither of you have a foot to stand on.

Or maybe you can convince Arnie The Terminator to make a new law like Arizona that will allow the police to check on anyone who looks like a Muslim.
LOL
Mike MoRGAN

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Jun 28, 2010
 
HEY FUN TiME

3- If you have ever studied the Koran you would realize it does not approve of terrorism and is considered a peaceful religion.

Considered a peaceful religion?

I beg you go to your koran (internet) read any page you like...

See how much peace you find against women & infidels...

TRUE not all muslims are terrorist but all terrorist are muslims...

Of THE 17 WORLD CONFLICT = 16 INVOLVE YOUR RELIGION OF PEACE (muslims)

RUSSIA-PHILIPPINES-ISRAEL-CYPR US-RED CHINA-AFRICA...do the math
Man I got another head ache!
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Jun 28, 2010
 
Mike MoRGAN wrote:
HEY FUN TiME
3- If you have ever studied the Koran you would realize it does not approve of terrorism and is considered a peaceful religion.
Considered a peaceful religion?
I beg you go to your koran (internet) read any page you like...
See how much peace you find against women & infidels...
TRUE not all muslims are terrorist but all terrorist are muslims...
Of THE 17 WORLD CONFLICT = 16 INVOLVE YOUR RELIGION OF PEACE (muslims)
RUSSIA-PHILIPPINES-ISRAEL-CYPR US-RED CHINA-AFRICA...do the math
Man I got another head ache!
I have studied along with the Bible and other religious texts. It's all a matter of interpretation to back up one's agenda.
You should rethink ALL terrorists are Muslim. It also is not my religion.
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Jun 28, 2010
 
Mike MoRGAN wrote:
Thank You so much Ponder Z....
Just guess what will happen to all the Commie Hippie Libs when the TRUKS TAKE OVER...
OUCH! I get a head ache just dreaming about it...
FREE CONSTANTINOPLE !!
Where's Constantinople located? Free it from what? Why? LOL
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Jun 28, 2010
 
FUN TiME IT's ALL IN YOUR INTERPRETATION..L0L
HAVE A GREAT WEEK....
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Jun 28, 2010
 
Wow. You are a dhimmi. How many years did the Muslim hordes conquer and make incursions into Christian lands?600 yrs...thats how long.But, since they were mostly dark and not Christian you cast them as "pacific'. Wheres the proof? Really. I have read everything on the Crusades and Islam. Everything in English and Russian, most things in Arabic , in translation. No, Islam is a despicable , foul religion---with no peace in it. Tell us about taqqiya.
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Jun 28, 2010
 
#1 14,000 deadly terror attacks committed explicitly in the name of Islam in just the last eight years.(Other religions combined for perhaps a dozen or so).
#2 Muhammad, the prophet of Islam, had people killed for insulting him or criticizing his religion. This included women. Muslims are told to emulate the example of Muhammad.
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Muhammad said in many places that he has been "ordered by Allah to fight men until they testify that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is his messenger." In the last nine years of his life, he ordered no less than 65 military campaigns to do exactly that.
Muhammad inspired his men to war with the basest of motives, using captured loot, sex and a gluttonous paradise as incentives. He beheaded captives, enslaved children and raped women captured in battle. Again, Muslims are told to emulate the example of Muhammad.
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After Muhammad died, the people who lived with him, and knew his religion best, immediately fell into war with each other.
Muhammad's favorite daughter, Fatima, and her husband, Ali (the second convert to Islam, who was raised like a son to Muhammad) fought a war against an army raised by Aisha, Muhammad's favorite wife - and one whom he had said was the "perfect woman."
Not only was her husband, Ali, eventually murdered, but Fatima (who survived the early years at Mecca safe and sound) died of stress from the persecution of fellow Muslims only three months after her father died.
Three of the first four Muslim rulers (caliphs) were murdered. All of them were among Muhammad's closest companions. The third caliph was killed by the son of the first. The fourth caliph was killed by the fifth, who subsequently poisoned one of Muhammad's two favorite grandsons. Muhammad's other grandson was later beheaded by the sixth caliph.
Even these high profile killings barely do justice to the astonishing level of violence taking place at the time, in which tens of thousands of believers were slaughtered by Muhammad's companions and their children in the infighting and power struggles. Within 50 short years of Muhammad's death, even the Kaaba, which had stood for centuries under pagan religion, lay in ruins from internal Muslim war.
And that's just the fate of those within the house of Islam!
#5 Muhammad directed Muslims to wage war on other religions and bring them under submission to Islam. Within the first few decades following his death, his Arabian companions invaded and conquered Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist and Zoroastrian lands.
A mere 25 years after Muhammad's death, Muslim armies had captured land and people within the borders of over 28 modern countries outside of Saudi Arabia.
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Muslims continued their Jihad against other religions for 1400 years, checked only by the ability of non-Muslims to defend themselves. To this day, not a week goes by that Islamic fundamentalists do not attempt to kill Christians, Jews, Hindus and Buddhists explicitly in the name of Allah.
None of these other religions are at war with each other.
#7 Islam is the only religion that has to retain its membership by threatening to kill anyone who leaves. This is according to the example set by Muhammad.
#8 Islam teaches that non-Muslims are less than fully human. Muhammad said that Muslims can be put to death for murder, but that a Muslim could never be put to death for killing a non-Muslim.
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The Qur'an never once speaks of Allah's love for non-Muslims, but it speaks of
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12th Century

In the 12th century, the Almohads of North Africa spread terror wherever they went. The Jews in Yemen were given choice of death or conversion to Islam in 1165. Similar choice was given to the Jews of Aden in 1198. According to Stillman [The Jews of Arab Lands], there were forced conversions of Jews under the Almohad caliphs, al-Mumin (d 1165), Abu Yakub (d 1184) and al-Mansur (d 1199). The Christians of Grenada were deported to Morocco by the Almoravids rulers in 1126.

In the Indian front, after the scourge of Mahmud Ghazni, there was a relative calm until Turk Ghaurid Sultan Muhammad Ghauri started his attacks beginning in 1175. When he became successful in 1192 to defeat Prithviraj Chauhan, he launched a scourge of conquest of Sirsuti, Samana, Khuhram and Hansi with ruthless slaughter and a general destruction of temples and their replacement with mosques. Similar events followed in Ajmer and Delhi later on [KS Lal, Theory and Practice of Muslim State in India, p. 21].

Muhammad Ghauri’s lieutenant Qutbuddin Aibak, succeeded him to become the first Muslim Sultan in India. He dispatched Ikhtiyaruddin Bakhtiyar Khalji to the East and himself concentrated in Hindustan proper. He captured Kol (modern Aligarh) in 1194. There “those of the garrison who were wise and cute were converted to Islam, but those who stood by their ancient faith were slain with the sword.”[Hasan Nizami, Taj-ul-Maasir, E.D., H, 222]

In 1195 when Raja Bhim was attacked by Aibak, he captured 20,000 slaves.
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The above is from the 12th century, both posts and I see a lot of fascism....peace? No, its not in the eyes of the beholder, only a hippie would say such govno
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Jun 28, 2010
 
Wow. See Dave? You write an interesting little article about the crusades.........

Richard Wilson, Mike, and their pals kinda prove
whats wrong with the species, don't they?

But hay! Who doesn't respect someone who, I guess, feels 'hippies' are his worst enemy, picks and choses their 'facts', all to try and prove some mindless point humans have been fighting over for..lets see, about 2000 years now?
(next article; The Inquistion! Neat!)

'Bad' people come in all shapes, sizes, and faiths.

But most of the worst ones I see nowdays post on Topix, Yahoo, and of course Fox.
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The above is from the 12th century, both posts and I see a lot of fascism....peace? No, its not in the eyes of the beholder, only a hippie would say such govno
I could fill up as much boring space as you have with all the Christian terrorism, abuse, murder, pedophilia, messing with nuns, corrupt Popes, etc, etc, etc.
But it's a waste of time because intelligent, educated people know of this and those who live in glass houses won't be throwing stones the way you have.

You have interpreted history to meet your personal hate and for all intents it's a worthless effort.
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I could fill up as much boring space as you have with all the Christian terrorism, abuse, murder, pedophilia, messing with nuns, corrupt Popes, etc, etc, etc.
But it's a waste of time because intelligent, educated people know of this and those who live in glass houses won't be throwing stones the way you have.
You have interpreted history to meet your personal hate and for all intents it's a worthless effort.
Sure the Christians have had some bad members. My Islamic post is all about the future. Our passive government and liberals have allowed these Muslims into the USA and Europe too. You can see form the list, it is factual. The behavior is factual. The future is obvious. So, Mr. F. Time, will you and your descendants become muslims, or become beheaded?

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