Pearce decries Gila trail closures pl...

Pearce decries Gila trail closures plan at Silver City rally

There are 77 comments on the Silver City Sun-News story from Mar 5, 2011, titled Pearce decries Gila trail closures plan at Silver City rally. In it, Silver City Sun-News reports that:

Grant County resident Charlie McCarty, middle, presents a copy of his book, "Trouble in a Green Pickup," to U.S. Congressman Steve Pearce, right, at a rally opposing the U.S. Forest Service proposal to close some roads and trails in the Gila Wilderness.

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Bart

Las Vegas, NV

#45 Mar 7, 2011
The Congressman should "bug off." He knows nothing of mountainous and forested country. The highest thing in his area is a windmill. This is politikin' at it's worst.
USE UR HEAD

Albuquerque, NM

#46 Mar 7, 2011
Bart wrote:
The Congressman should "bug off." He knows nothing of mountainous and forested country. The highest thing in his area is a windmill. This is politikin' at it's worst.
ITS HIS RESPONSIBILITY TO RESEARCH THE ISSUE AND TO SUPPORT HIS CONSTITUENCES!! HE DID JUST THAT SO BART F OFF!
Rick

Silver City, NM

#47 Mar 7, 2011
Since my arrival here about 15 years ago, I have heard several people talk of how Hwy 15 extending to the cliff dwellings in the middle of the Gila Wilderness is like a dagger in the heart of the wilderness and would like to see it turned back into a foot trail. When I travel that road, I see all the garbage and trash that people throw out all along the way from Silver to the dwellings. I see animals of all kinds run over and killed. I see pick up trucks cruising the road with two or three guys sitting in the back with a blanket laying over their lap hiding their gun as they cruise looking for something to shoot. Apparently, if they can't find an animal to shoot, they shoot the signs placed put placed along the road to warn drivers of sharp curves and other safety issues. Some of those signs are shot up so bad, there is no way to know what they are warning about. The cost to replace them comes out all our pockets, money that could have been spent to help out widows and orphans.

The mentality of people who throw out garbage, poach wildlife and 400 year old juniper trees for firewood, cut donuts in valuable riparian areas, or destroy public property are the ones who force government to pass laws on behalf of the public to protect the forest, wildlife, and water shed.

If you think freedom means that you can do this sort of damaging and destructive activity any time and any where you please, then you are flat wrong. Freedom is not a licensee to do anything any time and anywhere you want. No individual is an island when he degrades the world around him and impacts the lives of others. There will always be laws and limits to freedom as long as we have arrogant, holier than thou, immature, and irresponsible people.

As far as access to remote places by the handicapped or elderly, you just have to come to grips that you are elderly and handicapped and learn to live within those parameters. I have heard people advocate for handicapped access to the Gila Cliff Dwellings. Such ideas are ridiculous. We all have our limitations, and to drastically and irreversibly degrade the resource to provide access for every human on the planet is simply not feasible. The elderly will have good memories of their time in their favorite places when they get too old to go. Sooner or later, you have to let things go. Then you die and let it all go.

Spoiled people will whine and cry to get their way and insist on opening up every square inch of the planet to dirt bikes, souped up 4X4's both large and small, chain saws, cattle, or earth moving machinery and drilling rigs. They will pledge allegiance to the flag and freedom, God, Country, apple pie, and mom and dad to justify getting their way. I saw this last Saturday in Silver City.

If we all realized that nature is the life support system of the planet, then maybe - just maybe they would naturally show the respect for nature and for its integrity that it deserves. Nature and its diversity is a gift from the creator and should be treated as such. We would do well to understand the real life value of the intricate interrelatedness of the diversity of soil,plants, and animals, and even on down to the microbes in the soil. There are no jobs on a dead planet.

I have found places out in the forest where people change the oil in their vehicles, leaving a puddle on the ground and empty oil containers scattered around. Is this what you call freedom, trashing and poisoning the place?
forestforall

Las Cruces, NM

#48 Mar 7, 2011
There is no doubt the Forest Service has done a lousy job of managing the national forests for quite a while. Their lack of understanding the role of fire being a good case in point. The outrage however, should be directed at Cong. Pearce who has served to instigate a mean-spirited, self-serving dialogue rather than serve all interested citizens in getting all viewpoints heard and helping insure the Forest Service listens and responds with meaningful actions that address the concerns while protecting the forest resources as best it can. Pearce should do his job for us citizens and not a small group of whiners who promise him votes and money.
FU Elkstine

Guaymas, Mexico

#49 Mar 7, 2011
Rick
Your so full of BS. Typical of most, you exaggerate so much. Been walking the National Forrest for over 50 years. Yeah you see a few things that make you cringe but not the crap in the quantities your stating. If the Forrest service would do their job allot of this stuff wouldn't happen. The real issue here is our freedoms. What's next they going to close the lakes too because of pollution? Then it's the beach because of trash, then it's a toll to pass through the Forrest and a toll to go to the beach. Wake up for crying out loud. You think the government is being honest? This is just another step to control us and what we can and can't do. You don't punish the masses for the wrongs of a few. Use the laws to punish the bad people and let us real Americans enjoy our god given right to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. Last time I looked that was part of the American Constitution. que no?
USE UR HEAD

Albuquerque, NM

#50 Mar 7, 2011
FU Elkstine wrote:
Rick
Your so full of BS. Typical of most, you exaggerate so much. Been walking the National Forrest for over 50 years. Yeah you see a few things that make you cringe but not the crap in the quantities your stating. If the Forrest service would do their job allot of this stuff wouldn't happen. The real issue here is our freedoms. What's next they going to close the lakes too because of pollution? Then it's the beach because of trash, then it's a toll to pass through the Forrest and a toll to go to the beach. Wake up for crying out loud. You think the government is being honest? This is just another step to control us and what we can and can't do. You don't punish the masses for the wrongs of a few. Use the laws to punish the bad people and let us real Americans enjoy our god given right to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. Last time I looked that was part of the American Constitution. que no?
WELL SAID !!!!!!!!!! AMEN
THIS IS AN AMERICAN ISSUE NOT A DEMOCRATIC OR REPUBLICAN ONE!!
Christina Hartsock

Phoenix, AZ

#51 Mar 7, 2011
The point of Wilderness is to keep it from being altered by humans. The fewer roads the better, or it isn't Wilderness. The Gila needs to remain free of development; more roads will only increase erosion, pollution, and habitat destruction. The Gila is a jewel of wildness in a world of environmental poverty. Keep the Gila wild!
USE UR HEAD

Albuquerque, NM

#52 Mar 7, 2011
Christina Hartsock wrote:
The point of Wilderness is to keep it from being altered by humans. The fewer roads the better, or it isn't Wilderness. The Gila needs to remain free of development; more roads will only increase erosion, pollution, and habitat destruction. The Gila is a jewel of wildness in a world of environmental poverty. Keep the Gila wild!
THIS IS A FOREST ROAD CLOSURE IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE WILDERNESS. ITS CLOSING EXISTING ROADS NOT MAKING NEW ONES. READ THE ARTICLE BEFORE YOU POST HERE!
Nope

Santa Fe, NM

#53 Mar 7, 2011
FU Elkstine wrote:


This is just another step to control us and what we can and can't do.
that is just crazy talk. As if it is a conspiracy to do something to you. You sound like a 12 year old.

The whole point is preventing direct damage to the land, preserving the nation's resources for the future, and protecting other uses and other kinds of recreational experiences.

USE UR HEAD

Albuquerque, NM

#54 Mar 7, 2011
Nope wrote:
<quoted text>
that is just crazy talk. As if it is a conspiracy to do something to you. You sound like a 12 year old.
The whole point is preventing direct damage to the land, preserving the nation's resources for the future, and protecting other uses and other kinds of recreational experiences.
LETS HOPE THATS WHY!!
davy

Albuquerque, NM

#55 Mar 7, 2011
So much for conservatives wanting limited government. Now they are crying for a handout.
DorisV

Rio Rancho, NM

#56 Mar 7, 2011
700 anti-environmentalists, led by Steve Pearce, the oil industry puppet, protest that the federal government is "waging a war aginst the west". Sound like a bunch of republicans and rednecks who could care less for anyone but themselves. What about those of us who like our forest lands to be quiet places free from noise and other forms of pollution? Everyone deserves to be heard but hope some form of sanity prevails.
Anita

Silver City, NM

#57 Mar 7, 2011
Think all this wind is a freak of weather? Nah. It's hot air from the mouth of this blowhard. If Pearce had a clue he'd be even more dangerous.
logtroll

Albuquerque, NM

#58 Mar 7, 2011
I'd put money on the probability that none of the shrill freedom losing Americans that have posted here against Gila road closures can identify a single one of the roads that are proposed to be closed or state the reasons given by the FS as to why they want to close them. Many of the "roads" don't really even exist or aren't driveable due to their poor condition. Many times another "road" exists a few yards away.

I'm absolutely sure that Pearce can't name any favorite Gila roads that he will lose due to this much needed management action. Whatever happened to the ideas of truth and honor, honesty, and respecting others? Or is that now unAmerican, as well?
to doris v

Huntsville, AL

#59 Mar 7, 2011
DorisV wrote:
700 anti-environmentalists, led by Steve Pearce, the oil industry puppet, protest that the federal government is "waging a war aginst the west". Sound like a bunch of republicans and rednecks who could care less for anyone but themselves. What about those of us who like our forest lands to be quiet places free from noise and other forms of pollution? Everyone deserves to be heard but hope some form of sanity prevails.
You are right. We don't really care that much about you. There, I said it. The forest is still an extremely quiet place with things as they are. FYI, you actually have to walk your fat a$$ into the woods to experience them in all of their quiteness. I fully support 4X4s and all of the existing roads, but you actually have to walk to get way up in there. What about those of us rednecks and republicans who like our forums free of your pollution? Exactly, you don't care about us and we don't care about you. Have a nice day ma'am.
to doris v

Huntsville, AL

#60 Mar 7, 2011
DorisV wrote:
700 anti-environmentalists, led by Steve Pearce, the oil industry puppet, protest that the federal government is "waging a war aginst the west". Sound like a bunch of republicans and rednecks who could care less for anyone but themselves. What about those of us who like our forest lands to be quiet places free from noise and other forms of pollution? Everyone deserves to be heard but hope some form of sanity prevails.
You're right Doris V, I'm a redneck and an ultraconservative republican, and I don't really care that much about you. You're wrong for calling us anit-environmentalists however, as I'm very interested in the future of our environment. I happen to be an environment science major in college, but my interest is in preserving the Gila so my kids can drive their trucks in there to hunt just like I have grown up doing. Please be advised, there are many more important environmental issues than this one. Maybe we should leave the hunters alone, and worry about the 100,000 other issues. Here's a tip, if you want to be in a noise-free zone in the Gila: Stop going where everyone else goes!!:) Have a good one ma'am.
dokeefenm

Huntsville, AL

#61 Mar 7, 2011
FU Elkstine wrote:
Well the people have spoken. Government better listen as we demand that they do what the population wants. keep the National Forrest open. Old Dutch Salmon better remember not to use his influence as a representative of the Dept of Game and Fish. He was appointed by Fat Bill and was never voted in as a representative of the people. Now we all know his true feelings and why our forrest and hunting regs are all screwed up. Stick to fishing Dutch and leave the politics to the people.
I hate to have to be the one to tell you this,but Dutch Salmon is one of 'the people',as I am and millions like us;People who are concerned about the health of the eco systems and animal life that exist in the forest. The forest plan is a reasonable attempt to control the impact of people on the forest,which has been degraded by too much off road travel,illegal wood cutting and poaching for 100 years. If you 'people' got your way there would be no restrictions at all and the forest would already be beyond hope. Fortunately,you don't get your way because there are other 'people' who know better and will resist your attempts at ruining our public lands.
dokeefenm

Huntsville, AL

#62 Mar 7, 2011
"war for the west"..."environment alists are like watermelons,green on the outside and red on the inside"..."smash the watermelons".

Such civil and mature talk from a group of people who are paranoid and delusional about their place in society and who don't understand that they don't get to decide issues unilaterally. Red on the inside is a childish attempt at calling environmentalists communists. Then these pretend adults say they should smash the watermelons...I guess that is a reference to using violence against their political opponents,not surprising,but idiotic.
Leave it to the foaming rightwing zealots to introduce violent and vile talk into the discussion and planning for the health of the forest.
JSZEE

Las Cruces, NM

#63 Mar 7, 2011
I think if they close the roads there will be some serious retaliation. Bad idea people
FU Elkstine

Guaymas, Mexico

#64 Mar 7, 2011
To Mr or Mrs or miss NOPE. I will not be lead of the end of the pier by the pied piper. If you don't think that government isn't trying to control our behavior then why are we paying almost 4 bucks a gallon for gas? it's because the government wants to keep us in our place. They don't want us to become to comfortable so they start wars in far off countries to keep us off balance. Yemen and other countries are already blaming the war in Libya on the CIA and Israel. Read the paper. 12 years old i am not. I want Freedom in the Forrest for everyone. I want the forrest service to do their job. I want them to catch people breaking the law. I will help them if i see someone breaking the law.(poaching trees, driving off road, poaching our fish and game) Did you know there are US Forrest Service Agents that patrole the forrest looking for the bad guys? I bet you didn't. Lets leave it open and enjoy it, and as Smoky Bear told us leave as you found it.

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