Waging War in Secret vs. American Democracy

Feb 8, 2012 | Posted by: Mr_Bill | Full story: www.theatlantic.com

By fighting terrorism with covert CIA actions, President Obama deprives us of the ability to meaningfully evaluate American foreign policy.

The War in Iraq is mostly over. We're drawing down forces in Afghanistan. Barring an unexpected terrorist attack or another Libya-style troop deployment, Election 2012 will proceed in a world where the War on Terrorism is being waged by intelligence agencies making drone strikes in places like Pakistan, Yemen and Somalia, and one in which we may be taking covert action inside Iran too.

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#1 Feb 8, 2012
Like being deprived of the ability to meaningfully evaluate American foreign policy is a something brand new and contributed exclusively to President Obama?

Give me a break. When have the American people EVER been privvy to EVERYTHING that goes on in our government, especially where the military is concerned.?

What a ridiculous article to think that Obama and THIS administration is the only one to withhold information and intelligence on other countries. The American people are (and always have been) like mushrooms. We're kept in the dark and fed sh*t because WE aren't the ones making the big military decisions. And this is certainly nothing new.

“Open your eyes”

Since: Sep 09

Central Florida

#2 Feb 8, 2012
According To A New DHS Report, If You Love “Individual Liberty” Of If You “Believe In Conspiracy Theories” You Are A Potential Terrorist
http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/acc...

Do you love America? Are you against a one world economy and a one world government? Do you deeply love individual liberty? Do you believe in conspiracy theories? If you answered any of those questions affirmatively, then you are a potential terrorist according to a brand new Department of Homeland Security report that was just released in January 2012. The report is entitled "Hot Spots of Terrorism and Other Crimes in the United States, 1970 to 2008", and it was produced by the "National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism" for the Department of Homeland Security. As you will see detailed later on in this article, the most shocking part of this report is when it discusses the "ideological motivations" of potential terrorists. The report shamelessly attempts to portray red-blooded Americans that love liberty and that love their country as the enemy. Once upon a time, deeply patriotic Americans were considered to be the backbone of America, but today they are considered to be potential terrorists.

And this report is yet another example of how the definition of "terrorism" has changed. A decade ago, the entire focus of the "war on terror" was on radical Muslims and we were told that we had to send our boys and girls to the other side of the world to defeat them.

Well, in this new report there is barely any mention of Islam at all. Instead, the report identifies patriots, conspiracy theorists, evangelical Christians, anti-abortion activists, survivalists and those that are against globalism as the real threats.

The focus of the "war on terror" has fundamentally shifted. The "enemy" is now those that love freedom and those that love America.

According to the new DHS report, the following are some of the beliefs and ideologies of American terrorists....

-"fiercely nationalistic (as opposed to universal and international in orientation)"

-"anti-global"

-"suspicious of centralized federal authority"

-"reverent of individual liberty"

-"believe in conspiracy theories"

-"a belief that one’s personal and/or national “way of life” is under attack"

-"a belief in the need to be prepared for an attack either by participating in paramilitary preparations and training or survivalism"

-"impose strict religious tenets or laws on society (fundamentalists)"

-"insert religion into the political sphere"

-"those who seek to politicize religion"

-"supported political movements for autonomy"

-"anti-abortion"

-"anti-Catholic"

-"anti-nuclear"

All of the above are direct quotes from the report.
Cracker

Festus, MO

#3 Feb 8, 2012
The ONLY terrorist I see, is in the White House !!
And come this November, we're going to fix that .

Obama sucks (the only good illegal alien is a dead illegal alien .)

“It's a Brand New Day”

Since: Feb 06

New Rochelle

#4 Feb 8, 2012
Cracker wrote:
The ONLY terrorist I see, is in the White House !!
And come this November, we're going to fix that .
Obama sucks (the only good illegal alien is a dead illegal alien .)
Hold your breath, monkey-boy.

“Open your eyes”

Since: Sep 09

Central Florida

#5 Feb 8, 2012
Mr_Bill wrote:
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Hold your breath, monkey-boy.
Hang on a second Bill.

Can Obama, Lindsey Graham, John McLame, Janet Napalitano, Eric Holder, Baby Boy Bush all be considered terrorist?

The answer is yes.

Here is why. They use fear and install fear into the hearts and minds of the general public in order to get control legislation passed. NDAA 2012 comes to mind and specifically sections 1031 and 1032, the Patriot Act, Presidential Defensive Directive 51, etc..

All based on fear and they used fear to get these laws passed. So they used fear. Using fear to get a policy or act or outcome that one would want could be considered an act of terrorism.

“It's a Brand New Day”

Since: Feb 06

New Rochelle

#6 Feb 8, 2012
Kahoki wrote:
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Hang on a second Bill.
Can Obama, Lindsey Graham, John McLame, Janet Napalitano, Eric Holder, Baby Boy Bush all be considered terrorist?
The answer is yes.
Here is why. They use fear and install fear into the hearts and minds of the general public in order to get control legislation passed. NDAA 2012 comes to mind and specifically sections 1031 and 1032, the Patriot Act, Presidential Defensive Directive 51, etc..
All based on fear and they used fear to get these laws passed. So they used fear. Using fear to get a policy or act or outcome that one would want could be considered an act of terrorism.
Argument built on a mud foundation. A terrorist uses violence, or the threat of violence (his against the terrorized.)

In your example, Obama is no more than Chicken Little.
Bush was a terrorist toward the Iraqis, but not toward his own constituancy.

Who cares about the others?

“Open your eyes”

Since: Sep 09

Central Florida

#7 Feb 8, 2012
Mr_Bill wrote:
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, or the threat of violence
And what emotion comes from the threat of violence. Fear.

“It's a Brand New Day”

Since: Feb 06

New Rochelle

#8 Feb 8, 2012
Kahoki wrote:
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And what emotion comes from the threat of violence. Fear.
Can Obama, Lindsey Graham, John McLame, Janet Napalitano, Eric Holder, Baby Boy Bush; which threatened you with violence?
discount med

Hanoi, Vietnam

#9 Feb 8, 2012
Mr_Bill wrote:
<quoted text>
Hold your breath, monkey-boy.
Dr. Bill_mr! Topix never learn Politicorp. Bille....they just love Jesus Bimble ;-000h, and will never gettin Scienteeth Biologee anywa ;-0000000
discount med

Hanoi, Vietnam

#10 Feb 8, 2012
Kahoki wrote:
<quoted text>
And what emotion comes from the threat of violence. Fear.
busy watchin FLWearther man show yo AtmosFear or atmosphere!!! speak slowly ok...don't roll yo tongue 2fasisttee ;-000
Provocateur

Half Moon Bay, CA

#11 Feb 9, 2012
Wars are really a continuous stream of coordinated acts of terrorism, related to money and power instigated by the people who will benefit from the war and its expected end result. War is an instrument to expand economic power by destroying the national institutions and intelligent people of the victimized nation.

“It's a Brand New Day”

Since: Feb 06

New Rochelle

#12 Feb 9, 2012
Provocateur wrote:
Wars are really a continuous stream of coordinated acts of terrorism, related to money and power instigated by the people who will benefit from the war and its expected end result. War is an instrument to expand economic power by destroying the national institutions and intelligent people of the victimized nation.
Or, war is the failure of diplomacy.
Provocateur

Half Moon Bay, CA

#13 Feb 9, 2012
Every gun that is fired, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. The world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. Dwight D. Eisenhower

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