Pete Best says Ringo Starr enjoyed th...

Pete Best says Ringo Starr enjoyed the fruits of his hard work

There are 385 comments on the Walrusgumboot story from Aug 18, 2006, titled Pete Best says Ringo Starr enjoyed the fruits of his hard work. In it, Walrusgumboot reports that:

The Beatles' original drummer Pete Best says that although there are no hard feelings between him and the group, he does feel that Ringo Starr enjoyed the fruits of his hard work with the band.

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arthur

Trondheim, Norway

#1 Aug 22, 2006
bullshit.

pete best was at his best a half devoted drummer.. he could hardly keep the pace and he kept letting the boys down by not turning up at gigs..

he is now cashing in on the foursome's (including Ringo's!) hardf work, just like he tried to in the 60's (with considerable lack of success). The best he could do is to keep his mouth shut!!
Bill

Greenbrae, CA

#2 Sep 15, 2006
Wow! What's with the anger?

Pete Beat was a great drummer and should have never been kicked out of the group. Just listen to Pete on the Beatles' recordings like "Besame Mucho", "Ain't She Sweet", "My Bonnie" or "Like Dreamers Do." These are all Beatles' classics that hold there own against any of Ringo's early drumming. In fact, "Ain't She Sweet" went to #19 at the height of Beatlemania in 1964. "My Bonnie" and "Why" were a hit singles as well.

Remember, Pete was a huge part of why Brian Epstein wanted to manage the band in the first place which lead to them being signed by EMI. It was Pete's photo alone that was printed in Mersey Beat magazine when their recording contract was announced. That's how popular he was! His early contribution to the group cannot be overstated.

Having said that, Ringo was also a great drummer and contributed enormously to the band as well. Pete never got a chance to grow further. I have no doubt he would have down a superb job drumming on later Beatles' tracks had he been given the chance.

I think a lot of people really don't know the real history of the Beatles. The assumption is that he only played with them live. Pete is on plenty of their early records. It's already been disproved that Pete missed a lot of gigs. In actuality McCartney was notorious for missing more shows than Pete.

I hope this clears a few things up for people who are still perpetuating false information.

Cheers!
Anonymous

Emeryville, CA

#3 Sep 25, 2006
Pete Best rocked!!!!! He was the heart and soul of the early Beatles. They never would have gotten signed without him. Too bad he got the boot, he would have made them ten times more popular than they became!
Billy Shears

Finland

#4 Sep 26, 2006
Bill wrote:
Wow! What's with the anger?
Pete Beat was a great drummer and should have never been kicked out of the group. Just listen to Pete on the Beatles' recordings like "Besame Mucho", "Ain't She Sweet", "My Bonnie" or "Like Dreamers Do." These are all Beatles' classics that hold there own against any of Ringo's early drumming. In fact, "Ain't She Sweet" went to #19 at the height of Beatlemania in 1964. "My Bonnie" and "Why" were a hit singles as well.
Remember, Pete was a huge part of why Brian Epstein wanted to manage the band in the first place which lead to them being signed by EMI. It was Pete's photo alone that was printed in Mersey Beat magazine when their recording contract was announced. That's how popular he was! His early contribution to the group cannot be overstated.
Having said that, Ringo was also a great drummer and contributed enormously to the band as well. Pete never got a chance to grow further. I have no doubt he would have down a superb job drumming on later Beatles' tracks had he been given the chance.
I think a lot of people really don't know the real history of the Beatles. The assumption is that he only played with them live. Pete is on plenty of their early records. It's already been disproved that Pete missed a lot of gigs. In actuality McCartney was notorious for missing more shows than Pete.
I hope this clears a few things up for people who are still perpetuating false information.
Cheers!
Woh, Like Dremers Do, Ain't She Sweet, Besame Mucho etc are Beatles classic? I don't think so. Pete did OK but when one listens to the recordings made in June 1962 at the Abbey Road is obvious that Best is the worst of the lot. At least Ringo was a steady drummer.
James Bond AKA Falcon 69

Dearborn, MI

#5 Sep 30, 2006
Billy Shears wrote:
<quoted text>
Woh, Like Dremers Do, Ain't She Sweet, Besame Mucho etc are Beatles classic? I don't think so. Pete did OK but when one listens to the recordings made in June 1962 at the Abbey Road is obvious that Best is the worst of the lot. At least Ringo was a steady drummer.
I've got the demo of pete's Love me do on the computer here...It cracks me up when he changes the tempo in the middle of the chorus...
Anonymous

Emeryville, CA

#6 Oct 2, 2006
I find it interesting that people only defend Ringo when someone says that Pete Best was actually a better drummer. Usually all I hear is "Ringo was mediocre," or "Ringo was the luckiest guy in show business." As soon as someone defends Pete then all of a sudden Ringo Starr is the most talented man on the face of the planet.

I think the truth is that they were both great! Why does everyone need to choose one over the other?

And as for Pete's drumming on "Love Me Do", that wasn't a finished recording meant for release. It was a practice run that not even McCartney sounds good on. Andy White ended up drumming on the album version.

But, to each his own.
Bill

Greenbrae, CA

#7 Oct 2, 2006
"Our best work was never recorded....Because we were performers... in Liverpool, Hamburg and other dance halls. What we generated was fantastic when we played straight rock, and there was nobody to touch us in Britain. As soon as we made it, we made it, but the edges were knocked off. You know, Brian put us in suits and all that, and we made it very, very big. But we sold out, you know." John Lennon from the Rolling Stone interview in 1971.

John is talking about the Pete Beat era in that quote. Here's another quote from Lennon:

Interviewer to Lennon: "Is Ringo the best drummer in the world?"
Lennon: "No, he's not even the best drummer in the band."

John's referring to the Beatles when he says "band."

"If you didn't see the Beatles at the Cavern Club with Pete Best, you haven't seen the Beatles" quote from "Best of The Beatles" documentary.

I'm not saying I agree with all of these quotes, but they are interesting things to ponder.
Bill

Greenbrae, CA

#8 Oct 2, 2006
Our best work was never recorded....Because we were performers... in Liverpool, Hamburg and other dance halls. What we generated was fantastic when we played straight rock, and there was nobody to touch us in Britain. As soon as we made it, we made it, but the edges were knocked off. You know, Brian put us in suits and all that, and we made it very, very big. But we sold out, you know." John Lennon from the Rolling Stone interview in 1971.

John is talking about the Pete Best era in that quote. Here's another quote from Lennon:

Interviewer to Lennon:"Is Ringo the best drummer in the world?"
Lennon:"No, he's not even the best drummer in the band."

John's referring to the Beatles when he says "band."

"If you didn't see the Beatles at the Cavern Club with Pete Best, you haven't seen the Beatles" quote from "Best of The Beatles" documentary.

I'm not saying I agree with all of these quotes, but they are interesting things to ponder.
Bill

Greenbrae, CA

#9 Oct 2, 2006
Our best work was never recorded....Because we were performers... in Liverpool, Hamburg and other dance halls. What we generated was fantastic when we played straight rock, and there was nobody to touch us in Britain. As soon as we made it, we made it, but the edges were knocked off. You know, Brian put us in suits and all that, and we made it very, very big. But we sold out, you know." John Lennon from the Rolling Stone interview in 1971.

John is talking about the Pete Best era in that quote. Here's another quote from Lennon:

Interviewer to Lennon:"Is Ringo the best drummer in the world?"
Lennon:"No, he's not even the best drummer in the band."

John's referring to the Beatles when he says "band."

Here's another interesting quote:

"If you didn't see the Beatles at the Cavern Club with Pete Best, you haven't seen the Beatles" from "Best of The Beatles" documentary.

I'm not saying I agree with all of these quotes, but they are interesting things to ponder.
Bill

Greenbrae, CA

#10 Oct 3, 2006
Oops, sorry for the multiple identical posts. It was reformatting what I wrote so I tried to correct it by reposting and they didn't override each other.
hawkmoon

United States

#11 Oct 4, 2006
gotta give peter best and stuart sutcliffe their proper dues.....they helped get the beatles going.....i have many a respect for those 2......john..paul..george..and ringo are the beatles......pete can say he's one sixth of the fab 6........but he didn't want to cut his hair like them.....and he wasn't out going as the others....i wish pete,paul and ringo could come to terms.....they are the three surviving beatles......peace and love.....
Cliff

Zaandam, Netherlands

#12 Oct 11, 2006
That was not only Pete playing on this song. The drums were overdubt bij a session drummer. So their are 2 drummers on each tracks. Their is other verion where Pete is the only drummer. And that version has dull drumming.
Bill wrote:
Wow! What's with the anger?
Pete Beat was a great drummer and should have never been kicked out of the group. Just listen to Pete on the Beatles' recordings like "Besame Mucho", "Ain't She Sweet", "My Bonnie" or "Like Dreamers Do." These are all Beatles' classics that hold there own against any of Ringo's early drumming. In fact, "Ain't She Sweet" went to #19 at the height of Beatlemania in 1964. "My Bonnie" and "Why" were a hit singles as well.
Remember, Pete was a huge part of why Brian Epstein wanted to manage the band in the first place which lead to them being signed by EMI. It was Pete's photo alone that was printed in Mersey Beat magazine when their recording contract was announced. That's how popular he was! His early contribution to the group cannot be overstated.
Having said that, Ringo was also a great drummer and contributed enormously to the band as well. Pete never got a chance to grow further. I have no doubt he would have down a superb job drumming on later Beatles' tracks had he been given the chance.
I think a lot of people really don't know the real history of the Beatles. The assumption is that he only played with them live. Pete is on plenty of their early records. It's already been disproved that Pete missed a lot of gigs. In actuality McCartney was notorious for missing more shows than Pete.
I hope this clears a few things up for people who are still perpetuating false information.
Cheers!
Bill

Greenbrae, CA

#13 Oct 15, 2006
I disagree, Cliff. I've heard the un_dubbed version and it does not sound that much different. It sounds very good. To really hear how great a drummer Pete was you should listen to his work with the Pete Best Combo. There is a CD out called "Beyond The Beatles - 1964 -1967". Pete's drumming on "Castin' My Spell On You", "Wait And See" and "Nobody But You", along with the entire album is very solid and rocks pretty hard. Pete's version of "Boys", on the Cameo/Parkway Box Set (You can buy this one for 99 cents on itunes) is another solid track. He uses the name Peter Best if you want to look for it. Another track called "I'm Gonna Knock On Your Door", is available on the CD entitled the Beat Scene.

These are all great examples of Pete Best drumming alone that are excellent. All recorded in the 60's. Most people have not heard them. It does help to hear them and get a better picture of just how good Pete was. Besides, "Besame Mucho" wasn't over dubbed either and that song still sounds pretty good to me.
Bill Harry

UK

#14 Oct 18, 2006
Pete Bestdid not let the boys down by not turning up at gigs. There was only a couple of occasions when we couldn't make a gig because he was ill and he informed the other lads in advance so they could get a temporary replacement.
Too much crap has been written about Pete by people who weren't even around then and have no idea of the real situation.
Bill Harry

UK

#15 Oct 18, 2006
Sorry, it should read "when he couldn't make a gig2.
Bob

Emeryville, CA

#16 Oct 18, 2006
Bill,

I'm so glad you chimed in. I find that anytime I write something positive about Pete he gets lambasted by people. Pete Best was and is a great drummer! I'm a huge fan of his work with the Beatles,The Pete Best Combo and his current band. It's nice to hear you help set the record straight!

I recently wrote a letter to the Beatles Today website to try and start a campaign to get him in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame for his work with the Beatles. I hope this can happen before Pete is long gone and his enormous contribution to the band is forgotten.

Keep up the great work, I love your writing!
hawkmoon

United States

#17 Oct 26, 2006
it's good to see pete finally getting his due... it seems that since george died, people have been devoting more thought about pete......we all still love the beatles....my only sadness is....i wish pete was a singer...and he could have released many studio albums....sad that he has never recorded any vocal songs.......in fact you have all these rap stars who can't sing a note, record music and it sells how?...all pete needs is a rock n roll oldies cd...with his own vocal.....thanks for commenting on my post mr. harry, it is indeed an honour.....too bad so many books have the wrong info on the things that you lived through....i stand corrected........
Joe Alves

Manchester, CT

#18 Oct 28, 2006
The Beatles would never have happened if it wasn't for Ringo all the quotes in the world won't change that. At that time Ringo was one of the top drummers coming out of England if Pete was so great what took so long for him to make his come back. If he didn't call himself the Best of the Beatles noone would know who he was.
Groucho AKA Falcon 68

Dearborn, MI

#19 Oct 28, 2006
Pete Best was a mediocre drummer at best...Just take a listen to the demo of "Love me do" from June 1962...and take a listen to the Decca tapes...that should put it to rest once and for all...
Bill

Greenbrae, CA

#20 Oct 28, 2006
Ahhh, again with the demo of "Love Me Do." The demo that none of the Beatles sound good on let alone Pete Best. Sorry, not a fair example. It was redone not with Ringo but Andy White. So there wasn't very much early confidence in Ringo either. The Decca Tapes are not that bad to my ears. The Beatles were still forming their sound. The whole band was undercooked at that point. They only got to do one take of each song and were all nervous. Hind sight is twenty twenty. It's easy to pick on Pete because the Beatles steadily got better and better over the years. Pete would have grown along with them. Who could have possibly predicted in 1962 that Ringo would have eventually been capable of the fantastic drumming on "Strawberry Fields" and "Rain." Pete would have progressed with the band and done a fine job on those songs in his own way.

There are plenty of examples of Pete's drumming on other recordings besides the Beatles where he is very strong. The trouble is, very few people have heard them. The Pete Best Combo did some great music and would have had some big hits in the 60's if they had gotten some air play and better promotion.

The statement that "the Beatles would have never happened if it wasn't for Ringo" doesn't ring true to me. First of all, they were already happening without Ringo! How could Pete Best possible have stopped the extremely talented song writing of Lennon/McCartney. They were arguably the greatest song writing team of the 20th century. I'm pretty sure that their talent would have magically disappeared with Pete in the group.

I can just here John, "Oh no! We should have switched drummers! With Pete in the band I can't write music any more!"

"He's ruined us!" cries Paul. "I suddenly can't play the guitar either! If only Ringo would join the band then we could write music again!"

My bet is that the Beatles would have survived with Pete, Ringo or even another drummer. Oasis has switched drummers many of times and they don't seem to have a problem writing great songs.

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